Trade Idea

[2323]

it is awful because _______ ?

Ha. It doesn't work that way. If you don't like hearing feedback about how awful it is, then conjure up something better.

And it is an awful idea.

 

[knoxville7]

Ha. It doesn't work that way. If you don't like hearing feedback about how awful it is, then conjure up something better.

And it is an awful idea.

you didn't give any feedback about how awful it is....that's the point

 

[clonetrooper264]

i never said to make a Dunleavy for green swap. and trading McDermott for green does help the SF depth since McDermott isn't playing and green is. even when healthy dougie doesn't play. and there are tons of duos this would help against defensively....Durant/wesbrook, curry/Thompson, LeBron/kyrie, san antonios wings, etc....

I know you didn't say Dunleavy for Green (in fact, I say so immediately after saying Green is an upgrade to Dunleavy). I'd argue that as an alternative to McDermott.

And McDermott did get minutes when he was healthy (supposedly he was injured at some point late in the road trip). Consistently around 13-15 with a couple smatterings of like 5-6 minutes because he played bad. Him being a rookie, it's not unheard of. Mirotic was also barely playing during that stretch until Taj got injured. Either way, I suppose you are right on a technicality...he didn't play a ton.

All those duos you listed are not SG/SF duos though, which is where Green would come into play. In those cases Rose would be guarding the other player that Butler does not guard. Rose is a good defender so I don't see any issue with this. I don't think Green would be that much better other than him being half a foot taller than Rose. I suppose that is worth something, but I don't see Green as such a great defender that he'd be matched up with a Westbrook or Curry over Rose.

now if youre worried about losing dougie then maybe the trade can be made of snell, moore, and a draft pick for green

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Suns probably lol.

 

[2323]

you didn't give any feedback about how awful it is....that's the point

I said it was awful. That's feedback.

Your welcome.

 

[knoxville7]

I know you didn't say Dunleavy for Green (in fact, I say so immediately after saying Green is an upgrade to Dunleavy). I'd argue that as an alternative to McDermott.

And McDermott did get minutes when he was healthy (supposedly he was injured at some point late in the road trip). Consistently around 13-15 with a couple smatterings of like 5-6 minutes because he played bad. Him being a rookie, it's not unheard of. Mirotic was also barely playing during that stretch until Taj got injured. Either way, I suppose you are right on a technicality...he didn't play a ton.

All those duos you listed are not SG/SF duos though, which is where Green would come into play. In those cases Rose would be guarding the other player that Butler does not guard. Rose is a good defender so I don't see any issue with this. I don't think Green would be that much better other than him being half a foot taller than Rose. I suppose that is worth something, but I don't see Green as such a great defender that he'd be matched up with a Westbrook or Curry over Rose.


I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Suns probably lol.

i realize some of them are PG's, but if you remember the playoffs a few years back, the heat threw LeBron on rose and the height differential made a huge impact. that's where i think green and his defensive versatility really shows. he can play 1 - 3 defensively.

 

[knoxville7]

I said it was awful. That's feedback.

Your welcome.

and again, thankyou for your wisdom and insight

 

[Crystallas]

Okay, make it happen.

:waiting:

 

[knoxville7]

Okay, make it happen.

:waiting:

troll on troll

 

[Crystallas]

tick tock.

 

[Bear Pride]

yes, heaven forbid people come up with ideas to improve the team instead of just kicking back and bashing those who do

Why would the Bulls make a trade now? We still might have a shot at Ray Allen. If Allen doesn't retire, the Bulls look to be a perfect fit, and the Bulls wouldn't have to trade their 1st round pick. Your trade is just premature at this point. Heck, Thibs is still figuring out how to best use his current players, let alone adding someone else to the mix. :dunno:

 

[knoxville7]

Why would the Bulls make a trade now? We still might have a shot at Ray Allen. If Allen doesn't retire, the Bulls look to be a perfect fit, and the Bulls wouldn't have to trade their 1st round pick. Your trade is just premature at this point. Heck, Thibs is still figuring out how to best use his current players, let alone adding someone else to the mix. :dunno:

ray allen isn't the answer to getting jimmy some rest so he doesn't have to play 40 min a game. i don't know why people don't see that as a potential issue down the road.

 

[JosMin]

whats the point of these forums if people cant discuss hypotheticals???

and actually i gave a few reasons why the trade makes sense roster wise

And most of us believe that giving up a rookie you just traded two first-rounders for to move up and select for a one-year rental player who isn't a difference maker in a crunch time playoff game would be foolish. By your calculations, the trade "makes sense" if Butler gets hurt. Well... okay. What if he doesn't? Green gets 15 minutes a night and we traded away a rookie with tons of salary control for a guy that will likely walk at the end of the season.

This team's chemistry is crucial. Rose playing his way back into All-Star shape, Pau finally in a situation that caters to his skill set, Butler inching closer to superstardom, Thibs finding the right mix and helping the team ease their way into being a top-10 team on both sides of the ball... why would you potentially jack that up to land Gerald Green? If we're talking about landing a perennial All-Star, then that's a different story. This team is a conference finals contender as constructed. Gerald Green isn't pushing them over the top.

 

[knoxville7]

And most of us believe that giving up a rookie you just traded two first-rounders for to move up and select for a one-year rental player who isn't a difference maker in a crunch time playoff game would be foolish. By your calculations, the trade "makes sense" if Butler gets hurt. Well... okay. What if he doesn't? Green gets 15 minutes a night and we traded away a rookie with tons of salary control for a guy that will likely walk at the end of the season.

This team's chemistry is crucial. Rose playing his way back into All-Star shape, Pau finally in a situation that caters to his skill set, Butler inching closer to superstardom, Thibs finding the right mix and helping the team ease their way into being a top-10 team on both sides of the ball... why would you potentially jack that up to land Gerald Green? If we're talking about landing a perennial All-Star, then that's a different story. This team is a conference finals contender as constructed. Gerald Green isn't pushing them over the top.

and again we disagree on greens value. i think he does push the bulls over the top and he certainly would be on the court during crucial playoff moments. like i posted earlier, maybe the suns take a snell/moore/draft pick combination for green so everyone can keep their beloved dougie mcbuckets. personally, im not that high on dougie so it wouldn't bother me to trade him now while he still has value to get a piece that could very well put the bulls over the top. and you disagree with this notion and that's fine, no need to keep discussing it then is there???

 

[clonetrooper264]

i realize some of them are PG's, but if you remember the playoffs a few years back, the heat threw LeBron on rose and the height differential made a huge impact. that's where i think green and his defensive versatility really shows. he can play 1 - 3 defensively.

That only worked because Rose had no help. Now he has lots of help (Butler, Gasol, Brooks, Mirotic). If Westbrook is taking clutch shots over Durant, I'll take it. I can see Butler guarding Curry over Thompson if he goes Human Torch on us and Rose guarding Thompson just fine. Imo even if we had Green in these scenarios, I'd rather have him playing passing lanes and help by trapping or getting weak side blocks because that plays more into his strengths and Rose won't do that.

 

[knoxville7]

That only worked because Rose had no help. Now he has lots of help (Butler, Gasol, Brooks, Mirotic). If Westbrook is taking clutch shots over Durant, I'll take it. I can see Butler guarding Curry over Thompson if he goes Human Torch on us and Rose guarding Thompson just fine. Imo even if we had Green in these scenarios, I'd rather have him playing passing lanes and help by trapping or getting weak side blocks because that plays more into his strengths and Rose won't do that.

at least having the trio of rose, butler, and green on the court together gives you those options of how you want to line em up. and we will see come playoff time just how much help rose truly has. im concerned with butlers minutes(again a reason to get green) over the course of 82 games and what he has left come playoff time. same could be said for Pau and the workload he has been taking at his age.

 

[Bear Pride]

well, that's fine. i think hes a very good player, if you don't watch much suns basketball you should. they are a fun team to watch. green in 22 min a game scores 14 points, gets a few rebounds, plays solid defense, doesn't turn the ball over, very athletic. he is 6'8, can shoot the 3. a lot to like.

and again, a main reason why i feel they need to acquire a player like him is to help jimmy out on the wing. Dunleavy is a nice role player for his shooting but defensively isn't very good. the reason i picked Gerald green is because his contract is only 3.5 mil and i thought he might be "gettable" since its his contract year and the suns probably aren't looking to re sign him

Why are you convinced that McD can't help out JB down the stretch? You are convinced that getting Green for a 1/2 year rental is better than McD for the future? :dunno:

 

[clonetrooper264]

Why are you convinced that McD can't help out JB down the stretch? You are convinced that getting Green for a 1/2 year rental is better than McD for the future? :dunno:

Because he ignores the future in his hypothetical. Pure win now move.

 

[knoxville7]

Why are you convinced that McD can't help out JB down the stretch? You are convinced that getting Green for a 1/2 year rental is better than McD for the future? :dunno:

no, im convinced that green would help this team THIS YEAR immensely more than McD will. i don't see how that is even up for debate at this point. could dougie end up being a good player? sure...that's what gives him trade value to be able to get a player who is already good like green. and again IMO i think dougie has bust all over him, a good 3 point shooter at most that cant defend

 

[knoxville7]

Because he ignores the future in his hypothetical. Pure win now move.

it absolutely is a win now mode, i already said it was. you cant win #2 without getting #1. i think the real issue is everyone on here thinks dougie is going to be some star or something.

 

[Bear Pride]

ray allen isn't the answer to getting jimmy some rest so he doesn't have to play 40 min a game. i don't know why people don't see that as a potential issue down the road.

OK, now it's your turn to explain your answer. Why wouldn't Allen be able to give JB some rest?