Update on Team vaccination rates

[Hawkeye OG]

I'm just glad the mods are locking political threads. Jesus, even Yahoo stopped these types of threads.

There really shouldn't be anything political about this

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Here's How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant

In the fight against the Delta variant, here's how the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines measure up when it comes to protection. A new study found the Moderna vaccine was 76% effective against the Delta variant, while the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective...

www.healthline.com

 

[modo]

If I were not in a higher risk group I would have not gotten the shot either.

This is the first mRNA vaccine to be rushed thru acceptance. Work on mRNA started about 30 years ago and was initially rejected by many in the health field. It finally gained acceptance and it wasn't until about 10 years ago that they had a breakthru of preventing the body's immune system from rejecting mRNA vaccines.

To say that mRNA's long term effects on humans are not fully documented and understood completely is truthful. The majority of professionals believe that the benefits outweigh the risks. I would take that a step further and say that if you are not in a high risk group the benefits may not outweigh the risks of taking a vaccine that had to be expedited thru studies and that lifetime human interaction has not been fully observed.

I am not talking just about the short term side effect risks. I am talking about long term possible unknowns.

 

[zack54attack]

What in the world would make you think they are one of the two teams under? I bet about 75%

The fact that players have already said in pressers they need more research done or wouldn't comment on it.... Didn't say they were, said I wouldn't have been shocked if they were one of the teams under 50.

I'm glad they aren't under the 50.

 

[zack54attack]

If I were not in a higher risk group I would have not gotten the shot either.

This is the first mRNA vaccine to be rushed thru acceptance. Work on mRNA started about 30 years ago and was initially rejected by many in the health field. It finally gained acceptance and it wasn't until about 10 years ago that they had a breakthru of preventing the body's immune system from rejecting mRNA vaccines.

To say that mRNA's long term effects on humans are not fully documented and understood completely is truthful. The majority of professionals believe that the benefits outweigh the risks. I would take that a step further and say that if you are not in a high risk group the benefits may not outweigh the risks of taking a vaccine that had to be expedited thru studies and that lifetime human interaction has not been fully observed.

I am not talking just about the short term side effect risks. I am talking about long term possible unknowns.

Can say the same thing about Covid too though. We truly don't know the full long term effects from getting it, either.

 

[zack54attack]

I guess the Chargers and Cards were busy yesterday.

We know who the Chargers doctor is though...

 

[modo]

Can say the same thing about Covid too though. We truly don't know the full long term effects from getting it, either.

agreed... a lot of unkowns on both sides

 

[modo]

There really shouldn't be anything political about this

That is why no one should take advice from politicians or departments wholly affected by politics.

they switch stances more than the Bears have switched QBs

 

[Pegger]

I'm starting a job at a hospital that requires it. Which vaccine should I get?

Well, have you ever had a flu shot before? You probably have. When taking that shot you were like everyone else and didn't know who manufactured the vaccine and if it used mRNA or RNA as it's underlying virus fighting logic.

What I'm getting at is that it doesn't matter. COVID-19 vaccines will be around for a long time and will probably be an annual shot no different than the flu shot. You'll end up taking a mixture of different manufactures and different virus logic, so the key is just to get vaccinated. That way you can be gainfully employed and help protect yourself and your community (family included).

 

[Pegger]

That is why no one should take advice from politicians or departments wholly affected by politics.

they switch stances more than the Bears have switched QBs

Stats can tell you anything you want them too and both main political parties have built large, well funded news organizations to communicate their respective narrative.

Personally I've went a bit more low cost in my gathering of 'news'. I want a source that provides both sides of the argument, does legitimate journalism, uses peer reviewed studies and isn't funded by one main entity that is invested in a specific political party.

My main point of frustration is that it's extremely hard to identify creditable, knowledgeable specialists. Typically the opposing side has a blanket bashing strategy and that specialist would drown in just trying to defend their point. What's sadder is in the twitter world where news is measured in speed of transfer and volume of views it's almost impossible for an individual to defend themself against the pure number of negative posts one side can create.

As an example let's look at Dr. Fauci. Right leaning 'news' providers like Fox and Newsmax have put out so many individual discrediting items that Fauci just can't defend against all the stories. For a casual viewer they are hearing a similar discrediting message from so many different sources they assume there has to be some truth in the stories as opposed to taking the time and trying to determine the truth.

 

[modo]

Stats can tell you anything you want them too and both main political parties have built large, well funded news organizations to communicate their respective narrative.

Personally I've went a bit more low cost in my gathering of 'news'. I want a source that provides both sides of the argument, does legitimate journalism, uses peer reviewed studies and isn't funded by one main entity that is invested in a specific political party.

My main point of frustration is that it's extremely hard to identify creditable, knowledgeable specialists. Typically the opposing side has a blanket bashing strategy and that specialist would drown in just trying to defend their point. What's sadder is in the twitter world where news is measured in speed of transfer and volume of views it's almost impossible for an individual to defend themself against the pure number of negative posts one side can create.

As an example let's look at Dr. Fauci. Right leaning 'news' providers like Fox and Newsmax have put out so many individual discrediting items that Fauci just can't defend against all the stories. For a casual viewer they are hearing a similar discrediting message from so many different sources they assume there has to be some truth in the stories as opposed to taking the time and trying to determine the truth.

If you've done your own research, Fauci has done enough to discredit himself. I certainly don't take political pundits opinions as gospel.

I wouldn't trust him. He's contradicted himself in emails and public statements. That doesn't mean I oppose everything he says, but I am certainly not going to do anything based on what Fauci says to do or not to do.

 

[Pegger]

If you've done your own research, Fauci has done enough to discredit himself. I certainly don't take political pundits opinions as gospel.

I wouldn't trust him. He's contradicted himself in emails and public statements. That doesn't mean I oppose everything he says, but I am certainly not going to do anything based on what Fauci says to do or not to do.

I still do trust him when it comes to discussing immunization. That's what he has a long history in and has built a respectable reputation. I'm not going to read the 3,000+ pages of emails, but we have to take that with a grain of salt. They cover the early part of the pandemic where the world was still sorting out the details of the virus and best ways to attack it. No doubt he was wrong along with all of the scientific community. In typical scientific process they learned from the mistakes and moved forward with that knowledge.

I'd add, let's put his job into context. He was supposed to provide answers to help protect the American people. Sometimes the information that brings people to a safer spot is different than being an open book. Let's look at his early thoughts on the virus being manufactured in Wuhan. He has to be extremely cautious on that type of accusation and in all honestly does learning it was manufactured change anything in terms of the immediate response? No. It means an investigation is needed and ultimately if it turns out there's a specific lab to 'blame' you can do so once the appropriate amount of information has been gained.

As it stands violence against Asian-Americans has sky rocketed through COVID-19. This is American born Asian's who probably didn't even know there was a lab in Wuhan China. Would blaming Wuhan early help or hurt the country? I can imagine the civil divide within the country would only have grown, which does not help with the immediate threat being keeping people safe.

 

[pinkfloydster]

If I were not in a higher risk group I would have not gotten the shot either.

This is the first mRNA vaccine to be rushed thru acceptance. Work on mRNA started about 30 years ago and was initially rejected by many in the health field. It finally gained acceptance and it wasn't until about 10 years ago that they had a breakthru of preventing the body's immune system from rejecting mRNA vaccines.

To say that mRNA's long term effects on humans are not fully documented and understood completely is truthful. The majority of professionals believe that the benefits outweigh the risks. I would take that a step further and say that if you are not in a high risk group the benefits may not outweigh the risks of taking a vaccine that had to be expedited thru studies and that lifetime human interaction has not been fully observed.

I am not talking just about the short term side effect risks. I am talking about long term possible unknowns.

Okay....your posts aren't making any sense. Better stick to football before you get people killed.

"Work on mRNA started about 30 years ago and was initially rejected by many in the health field. "

How does one go about rejecting mRNA?

"To say that mRNA's long term effects on humans are not fully documented and understood completely is truthful."

That would be true about any new medication. Or anything new that you ingest. Or a new cleaning solution.

"I would take that a step further and say that if you are not in a high risk group the benefits may not outweigh the risks of taking a vaccine that had to be expedited thru studies and that lifetime human interaction has not been fully observed."

Do you have a study or a statistical analysis to support this statement. Or is this just your gut feeling?

Honestly...just unfrikking believable.

 

[modo]

Okay....your posts aren't making any sense. Better stick to football before you get people killed.

"Work on mRNA started about 30 years ago and was initially rejected by many in the health field. "

How does one go about rejecting mRNA?

"To say that mRNA's long term effects on humans are not fully documented and understood completely is truthful."

That would be true about any new medication. Or anything new that you ingest. Or a new cleaning solution.

"I would take that a step further and say that if you are not in a high risk group the benefits may not outweigh the risks of taking a vaccine that had to be expedited thru studies and that lifetime human interaction has not been fully observed."

Do you have a study or a statistical analysis to support this statement. Or is this just your gut feeling?

Honestly...just unfrikking believable.

I'm not here to get into a lecture. If you want to discuss things I recommend not coming across as a self righteous douche.

Katalin Kariko was an early researcher into mRNA work to fight diseases in the 90s. Her early work was rejected from funding by governments, corporations and dismissed by colleagues as being unreliable and not possible. Synthetic mRNA was always rejected by the body and many professionals thought it would be impossible. They finally started to get mRNA results on lab rats back in the 90s but nothing progressed. They finally started getting results in the mid 00s.

My point on this is part of the bigger discussion that long term effects of mRNA have not been studied. That's the whole point of a populace needed to make a decision, individually on whether to take the vaccine.

There is no statistically analysis possible for this since its basically in its infancy...thats the whole point.

 

[bufordht]

Well, have you ever had a flu shot before? You probably have. When taking that shot you were like everyone else and didn't know who manufactured the vaccine and if it used mRNA or RNA as it's underlying virus fighting logic.

What I'm getting at is that it doesn't matter. COVID-19 vaccines will be around for a long time and will probably be an annual shot no different than the flu shot. You'll end up taking a mixture of different manufactures and different virus logic, so the key is just to get vaccinated. That way you can be gainfully employed and help protect yourself and your community (family included).

Thanks, that doesn't help.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

The only guy I listen to is Michael Olsterholm. He wrote a book about these sars viruses in 2004 that basically blueprinted 2020-2021 COVID-19.

This was 5 months ago

Michael Osterholm on how new COVID variants could change the pandemic's trajectory

As vaccinations continue, new variants of the virus are spreading. Scientists worry that the vaccine could be less effective against these mutations and that infection rates might rise again if one of these variants becomes the dominant strain.

www.mprnews.org

 

[pinkfloydster]

I'm not here to get into a lecture. If you want to discuss things I recommend not coming across as a self righteous douche.

Katalin Kariko was an early researcher into mRNA work to fight diseases in the 90s. Her early work was rejected from funding by governments, corporations and dismissed by colleagues as being unreliable and not possible. Synthetic mRNA was always rejected by the body and many professionals thought it would be impossible. They finally started to get mRNA results on lab rats back in the 90s but nothing progressed. They finally started getting results in the mid 00s.

My point on this is part of the bigger discussion that long term effects of mRNA have not been studied. That's the whole point of a populace needed to make a decision, individually on whether to take the vaccine.

There is no statistically analysis possible for this since its basically in its infancy...thats the whole point.

Just do the decent thing and let people know that you are not an authority in this whatsoever. Unless, of course, you do have a background in these types of matters. People are dying because of this type of analysis.

 

[The Big Grabowski]

Just do the decent thing and let people know that you are not an authority in this whatsoever. Unless, of course, you do have a background in these types of matters. People are dying because of this type of analysis.

I have a bigger problem with people like @modo who softly sow doubts about the vaccines and present political attacks on Fauci as if they're fact than the true wingnuts out there. It's the deliberate attempt to insert conspiracy while trying to fake credibility with a little science thrown in that's most damaging to public perception.

We all know where this bullshit comes from so just fucking stop, man.

 

[modo]

I have a bigger problem with people like @modo who softly sow doubts about the vaccines and present political attacks on Fauci as if they're fact than the true wingnuts out there. It's the deliberate attempt to insert conspiracy while trying to fake credibility with a little science thrown in that's most damaging to public perception.

We all know where this bullshit comes from so just fucking stop, man.

I need to iterate to people you all need to think for yourselves. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything here. I am telling you my thought process. At the end of the day make up your own minds.

I would hope people here are not mindless automatons that take everything the a particular political party tells you at face value or assume an expert is infallible or completely honest just because they are propped up in front of a TV and the government tells you so.

If there are seeds of doubt they should come from your own thought process and information you gather from multiple sources.

 

[pinkfloydster]

I need to iterate to people you all need to think for yourselves. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything here. I am telling you my thought process. At the end of the day make up your own minds.

I would hope people here are not mindless automatons that take everything the a particular political party tells you at face value or assume an expert is infallible or completely honest just because they are propped up in front of a TV and the government tells you so.

If there are seeds of doubt they should come from your own thought process and information you gather from multiple sources.

Still waiting for the part where you say that you are in no way an authority on this.