Update- Santo in! 15 of 16 votes

[FirstTimer]

Another player that should get in the HOF before Harold Baines but won't because A- he's borderline and B- ZOMFG STEROIDS:

Sammy Sosa Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

If roids weren't an issue...Sosa would be in easy IMO. Then again if he wasn't on roids he doesn't put up those numbers...but on the numbers alone and if Sosa had done what he did clean there's no doubt he'd get in.

 

[brett05]

Another player that should get in the HOF before Harold Baines but won't because A- he's borderline and B- ZOMFG STEROIDS:

Sammy Sosa Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

Where did I say Baines should be in? Why do you put words in my mouth?

 

[Rice Cube]

If roids weren't an issue...Sosa would be in easy IMO. Then again if he wasn't on roids he doesn't put up those numbers...but on the numbers alone and if Sosa had done what he did clean there's no doubt he'd get in.

The controversy lies in how much steroids actually help boost stats. They probably do, but it sounds like even if athletes are on the roids, all it does is help them work out faster, harder and longer. You still have to be able to connect with the ball.

I'll let people smarter than me figure that out :lol:

 

[FirstTimer]

The controversy lies in how much steroids actually help boost stats.

A lot.

They probably do, but it sounds like even if athletes are on the roids, all it does is help them work out faster, harder and longer. You still have to be able to connect with the ball.

Ok. But take en elite talent like McGwire. If you are stronger, with more endurance you get the ball to the bat faster which generates more power...Since you have more endurance and less fatigue from artificial recovery you can gt the bat to the ball faster much more often.

The entire "bat to ball" argument is Special person.

Steroids dramatically help power. If they didn't people wouldn't use them

 

[FirstTimer]

Where did I say Baines should be in? Why do you put words in my mouth?

Can you not read?

 

[Rice Cube]

A lot.

Ok. But take en elite talent like McGwire. If you are stronger, with more endurance you get the ball to the bat faster which generates more power...Since you have more endurance and less fatigue from artificial recovery you can gt the bat to the ball faster much more often.

The entire "bat to ball" argument is Special person.

Steroids dramatically help power. If they didn't people wouldn't use them

You're right, using actual steroids will basically increase muscle growth and thus power. I was probably thinking about HGH.

I think McGwire used a steroid analog that wasn't banned at the time in addition to other steroids. But have they ever proven that Sosa took steroids? He probably did take something, but if it was a non-steroid PED that changes things a bit.

 

[FirstTimer]

You're right, using actual steroids will basically increase muscle growth and thus power. I was probably thinking about HGH.

HGH and steroids for the purpose of athletic performance do basically(generally) the same thing.

Recover/heal/regenerate faster, work out harder, longer etc etc etc. Same theory.

I think McGwire used a steroid analog that wasn't banned at the time

Andro. Banned in every sport but baseball at the time IIRC


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He probably did take something, but if it was a non-steroid PED that changes things a bit.

Sosa was mentioned a lot in the Mitchell Report. He's never admitted to it but it's pretty clear what was going on.

 

[brett05]

Can you not read?

Show it

 

[FirstTimer]

Show it

You're insane.

 

[brett05]

You're insane.

I knew your civility was too good to last

 

[FirstTimer]

I knew your civility was too good to last

In.

Sane.

 

[brett05]

In.

Sane.

Oh well. Nice when it happened

 

[FirstTimer]

Oh well. Nice when it happened

You need to learn to read brah.

Rice Cube never said crap about you saying Baines should go into the HOF in the post you quoted.

 

[Rice Cube]

You need to learn to read brah.

Rice Cube never said crap about you saying Baines should go into the HOF in the post you quoted.

I no longer have any idea what's going on :lol:

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

I no longer have any idea what's going on :lol:

 

[brett05]

I no longer have any idea what's going on :lol:

I love most of this thread so if I have time at lunch, I am planning a re-cap post

 

[brett05]

You need to learn to read brah.

Rice Cube never said crap about you saying Baines should go into the HOF in the post you quoted.

Sure did. He did a comparison of Sosa should go in before Baines. The only reason to mention Baines in that statement which in itself has nothing to do with the topic is to show that Baines shouldn't go in. I don't think I ever said he should go in and that the voters are wrong.

If he didn't mean it, then the comment makes as much sense as me saying Greg Maddux should go in before Lamar Hoyt.

 

[brett05]

Thanks Rice for taking some time to clean out the garabge in an otherwise quality thread.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sure did. He did a comparison of Sosa should go in before Baines.

No.

He said another guy that should go in before Baines.

He never claimed you said Baines should go in. He was saying before Baines is even consdiered or enshrined, this guy needs to go.

The only reason to mention Baines in that statement which in itself has nothing to do with the topic is to show that Baines shouldn't go in.

Or that Baines doesn't have a case..at all(which you say he does). Relative to other players.

I don't think I ever said he should go in

Nope. You just said he has a case.....when he doesn't.

 

[FirstTimer]

I love most of this thread so if I have time at lunch, I am planning a re-cap post

Lex says something stupid. Disappears

Brett says something stupid(repeatedly). Sticks around.

Rice and FirstTimer have actual baseball conversation.

Pretty good summation