Updates to the Kane situation

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Wow.......
Be nice Grim...I think there's a chance he/she was on this.
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It very well might have (of) damaged some cognitive function.
 

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And see this is why you wait and let the process play out.... and why none of the details should have been publicized.

Kane was thought of as a rapist in the court of public opinion for 2 months.... people talked about fucking trading him.... holding him out of TC and/or games.... people talked about the Hawks suspending him on their own.... all for some BS spun up by this girl.

Kane will forever be thought of as a rapist or a possible rapist by people.... not by his fans, but now rivals can throw that shit at him all for some BS.

I am all for due process.... this girl deserved her legal rights..... Kane deserved his legal rights..... no one should have dragged either of them through the fucking mud until they at least decided whether or not to charge Kane.

Well at least Kaner can get back to what he does best. Raping NHL goalies especially Quick.
 

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There isn't always going to be sperm on a person in a rape case

Sperm isn't the only source of DNA on a person. Hair and skin are just two examples that people can transfer between each other.
 

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DNA still gets transferred from skin to skin contact, from sweat and from hair follicles. Condom does little to prevent DNA transfer, unless of course you are referring to semen
Read this from a former prosecutor about prosecuting with no DNA. No DNA can occur by use of a condom. I don't know how long other DNA would remain on the skin but that could be explained by using the bathroom, and considering the region may be gone by sweat, discharge, or fluids alone. I also don't think it's out of the question, or even unlikely that he has no hair there.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5338512
 

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then tough shit for her. You try to put an innocent man behind bars then I could care less if she got raped or not.. I really dont care what happens to scum bag criminals..

If she was raped then she should of told the truth and helped put a rapist behind bars.. Instead she became a criminal.. so who cares at that point.
If it was a case of mistaken identity? Nothing was ever proof-positive reported by any media source more credible TMZ that indicated she 100% fingered Kane as her attacker. Call me skeptical (which I was when everyone was ready to castrate Kane with a rusty fishhook), but we don't know the facts of what the actual accusation was. Did she say she *thought* it was Kane that attacked her (which could be a logical conclusion based on the fact that Kane's DNA was found on her shoulders), or did she say she *knew* Kane attacked here. Big difference there and right now we don't know.

If she indeed 100% positively fingered Kane as the man who raped her, then yes, she is a criminal and should be charged as such. If she was unsure and drew a conclusion (especially because at the time it was believed she was indeed attacked and probably not in a perfect mindset), the most that does is discredit her eyewitness testimony, not nullify the possibility that she was raped.
 

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May as well just lock this up unless you want another 100 pages of idiots who took a side the morning this story broke and now are shouting #calledit from the mountain tops when we STILL know nothing and probably NEVER WILL know anything.
 

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Kane might be douchey, but he still doesn't deserve to be dragged through the mud and thought of as a rapist without any evidence of him actually being a rapist.

I am not holding him up as person of the year.... but he didn't deserve this.

Think about if this was done to you DMelt.... and assume your own innocence.... you are not even a big name and would not get the media coverage, but imagine a girl accused you of rape and you were innocent. It is publicized that DMelt is being investigated for rape. Your mom hears that, your Dad hears that, everyone who knows you hears that you are being investigated for rape. Everyone you work with knows you are being investigated for rape.

You are innocent DMelt.... yet they still drag you through the mud.... they hurt your family.... they hurt the image people have of you in every facet of your life.

Yeah think of it like this and tell me you don't feel it is wrong.

Provided that you had not committed the crime of which you were being accused, then that absolutely would be wrong. But it goes back to the whole crux of the issue that we don't know if he's innocent.

In general, yes, I think it absolutely sucks that any person in the public's eye is deemed guilty by so many people the second that an accusation of sexual assault is made. But I also think it sucks way, way more that a female who makes these accusations is instantly dubbed a money-grubbing whore or a gold digger or a slut or whatever else people will call her. It's not like the accused in this scenario is getting away from the ramifications of this situation. It's a problem both ways.

It really fucking sucks that the knee-jerk reaction of the general public is to instantly pick a side in cases like this.
 

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Read this from a former prosecutor about prosecuting with no DNA. No DNA can occur by use of a condom. I don't know how long other DNA would remain on the skin but that could be explained by using the bathroom, and considering the region may be gone by sweat, discharge, or fluids alone. I also don't think it's out of the question, or even unlikely that he has no hair there.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5338512

Wouldn't necessarily apply here. Victim had a rape kit done within enough time for most DNA to be intact.
 

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If it was a case of mistaken identity? Nothing was ever proof-positive reported by any media source more credible TMZ that indicated she 100% fingered Kane as her attacker. Call me skeptical (which I was when everyone was ready to castrate Kane with a rusty fishhook), but we don't know the facts of what the actual accusation was. Did she say she *thought* it was Kane that attacked her (which could be a logical conclusion based on the fact that Kane's DNA was found on her shoulders), or did she say she *knew* Kane attacked here. Big difference there and right now we don't know.

If she indeed 100% positively fingered Kane as the man who raped her, then yes, she is a criminal and should be charged as such. If she was unsure and drew a conclusion (especially because at the time it was believed she was indeed attacked and probably not in a perfect mindset), the most that does is discredit her eyewitness testimony, not nullify the possibility that she was raped.

If it was just some random guy then maybe. but we are talking about a sports celebrity. Not much chance of mistaking someone else for Kane.

It was leaked that Kane followed her into a room and overpowered her and raped her.

I guess its possible that the media just made that "leak" up I suppose.

But if she was raped by one of Kanes friends and the DA has the DNA of the friend. then why is no charges being filed against the friend?

If all the leaked info is true. then the only logical conclusion is she lied about being raped by Kane
 

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Wouldn't necessarily apply here. Victim had a rape kit done within enough time for most DNA to be intact.
How could you possibly know that? Did the victim shower before hand? Did the victim use the restroom? Did the victim change clothes? Who went first in the ********? All of this is relevant as to the results of a rape kit.

I'll say it doesn't seem like he's guilty, but I don't know one way or the other, and neither do you. I certainly hope he didn't do it.
 

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How could you possibly know that? Did the victim shower before hand? Did the victim use the restroom? Did the victim change clothes? Who went first in the ********? All of this is relevant as to the results of a rape kit.

I'll say it doesn't seem like he's guilty, but I don't know one way or the other, and neither do you. I certainly hope he didn't do it.

I know he's never been charged with anything. I know that means in the eye of the law, he's innocent. What I also do know is that it doesn't matter what any of us think because again, he's innocent in the legal world. Do I think he did it? I couldn't care less because again, he was never charged.
 

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Provided that you had not committed the crime of which you were being accused, then that absolutely would be wrong. But it goes back to the whole crux of the issue that we don't know if he's innocent.

In general, yes, I think it absolutely sucks that any person in the public's eye is deemed guilty by so many people the second that an accusation of sexual assault is made. But I also think it sucks way, way more that a female who makes these accusations is instantly dubbed a money-grubbing whore or a gold digger or a slut or whatever else people will call her. It's not like the accused in this scenario is getting away from the ramifications of this situation. It's a problem both ways.

It really fucking sucks that the knee-jerk reaction of the general public is to instantly pick a side in cases like this.

I am in total agreement that is sucks either way and it is very unfair which is why it should be kept not publicized at least until charged are filed.

I did want to make the point that no matter how much of a douchey jerk Kane may seem to be as a person off the ice, he deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty like any other person. A person doesn't get that when you publicize rape allegations.

And lastly for the "We will NEVER know what happened" crowd.... no we won't know, but the man was not even charged with a crime based on the evidence and witnesses. Under our legal system he is innocent of rape, he did not rape anyone in the eyes of the law. If you want to stand up and say you think he is a rapist or he might be a rapist because of the allegations this girl made. Once again think about how you would feel, if you were accused of rape, cleared of it and not charged, but people still said "Well we will NEVER know what happened". That amounts to "They didn't charge you, but I still think you could be a rapist". How would you feel having that attitude leveled at you?
 

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How could you possibly know that? Did the victim shower before hand? Did the victim use the restroom? Did the victim change clothes? Who went first in the ********? All of this is relevant as to the results of a rape kit.

I'll say it doesn't seem like he's guilty, but I don't know one way or the other, and neither do you. I certainly hope he didn't do it.

I wish more people would understand that there are so many variables in play here that you can't be certain of damn near anything.

Even the reports regarding the lack of DNA evidence in the case are merely reports from "sources close to the case" and nothing that's been confirmed as the truth by the DA or anyone involved in the prosecution of this case.

We just don't know. There's nothing wrong in admitting that.
 

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You cant seriously believe this can you? If she is guilty of defimation thats for a court to figure out but u think she getting raped is justice? Shame on you.

I'm not saying she deserves to get raped as justice. What I'm saying is if she lied about it and tried to put an innocent man behind bars then I have no sympathy for her. She is no longer the victim, she is the criminal.

Think of it like this. Assault is against the law and I dont advocate it. But lets say someone tries to blackmail you.. if you beat the living hell out of them I really could care less.
 

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Instead of blah blah blah on this old news. We should be focusing on if the LA Kings namely Jamie Quick has filed rape charges against Kaner after last night.
 

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I know he's never been charged with anything. I know that means in the eye of the law, he's innocent. What I also do know is that it doesn't matter what any of us think because again, he's innocent in the legal world. Do I think he did it? I couldn't care less because again, he was never charged.

I agree, he won't be charged and none of us know one way or the other. But perhaps you want to rethink your stance on not caring if a rapist goes free. Also, you may want to learn more about actually getting convictions for rape, generally.
 

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If it was just some random guy then maybe. but we are talking about a sports celebrity. Not much chance of mistaking someone else for Kane.

It was leaked that Kane followed her into a room and overpowered her and raped her.

I guess its possible that the media just made that "leak" up I suppose.

But if she was raped by one of Kanes friends and the DA has the DNA of the friend. then why is no charges being filed against the friend?

If all the leaked info is true. then the only logical conclusion is she lied about being raped by Kane
I'm not going to insult your intelligence and assume you haven't been following this, but seriously, have you seen how over the map the media was with everything pertaining to this case? The "leaked" info definitely has to be called into question for veracity.

Where I stand is that anything not an official release from the DA's office is probably wrong (just like...almost everything else that wasn't was). Ergo the leak has to be taken with a softball-sized grain of salt.

Could it mean she made the whole thing up and that "leak" was factual with respect to her saying what was leaked? Absolutely--and if she 100% proof-positive did I hope she gets charged for it.

Could it mean that whatever leaked was, at best, taken out of context and sensationalized by the media (at best) or was completely false (at worst)? Absolutely, and in that case she should not bear the crimes of a media fail (of which there were many on this case).
 

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No you say you don't care if she gets raped if she accused the wrong person. Its right in your post. Shameful!

Yes I agree accusing innocent men of rape is shameful.

Again this was a response to a hypothetical scenario.. one which a rape victim is lying to protect her rapist and put an innocent man behind bars. Someone like that I have no sympathy for and could care less what happened to.
 

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I am in total agreement that is sucks either way and it is very unfair which is why it should be kept not publicized at least until charged are filed.

I did want to make the point that no matter how much of a douchey jerk Kane may seem to be as a person off the ice, he deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty like any other person. A person doesn't get that when you publicize rape allegations.

And lastly for the "We will NEVER know what happened" crowd.... no we won't know, but the man was not even charged with a crime based on the evidence and witnesses. Under our legal system he is innocent of rape, he did not rape anyone in the eyes of the law. If you want to stand up and say you think he is a rapist or he might be a rapist because of the allegations this girl made. Once again think about how you would feel, if you were accused of rape, cleared of it and not charged, but people still said "Well we will NEVER know what happened". That amounts to "They didn't charge you, but I still think you could be a rapist". How would you feel having that attitude leveled at you?

Point taken and acknowledged, Ares, but the other side of this coin has to be examined.

What if there's a girl in Buffalo who has to live the rest of her life knowing that a man who raped her got away with it and is going to be playing hockey for millions of dollars to the delight of thousands of people every night? How would you feel if that was your sister or your daughter or the woman who later becomes your wife?
 
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