Updates to the Kane situation

[dbldrew]

I'm not going to insult your intelligence and assume you haven't been following this, but seriously, have you seen how over the map the media was with everything pertaining to this case? The "leaked" info definitely has to be called into question for veracity.

Where I stand is that anything not an official release from the DA's office is probably wrong (just like...almost everything else that wasn't was). Ergo the leak has to be taken with a softball-sized grain of salt.

Could it mean she made the whole thing up and that "leak" was factual with respect to her saying what was leaked? Absolutely--and if she 100% proof-positive did I hope she gets charged for it.

Could it mean that whatever leaked was, at best, taken out of context and sensationalized by the media (at best) or was completely false (at worst)? Absolutely, and in that case she should not bear the crimes of a media fail (of which there were many on this case).

But again the DNA evidence was confirmed by the DA. There was sperm from 2 different men. So even if all the "she was overpowered by Kane" is just media lies. the DNA isn't. The DNA again shows it wasn't Kane

 

[DMelt36]

But again the DNA evidence was confirmed by the DA. There was sperm from 2 different men. So even if all the "she was overpowered by Kane" is just media lies. the DNA isn't. The DNA again shows it wasn't Kane

When?

 

[dbldrew]

When?

The DA press conference after the mom tried to get the DNA evidence tossed with saying it broke custody

 

[LordKOTL]

But again the DNA evidence was confirmed by the DA. There was sperm from 2 different men. So even if all the "she was overpowered by Kane" is just media lies. the DNA isn't. The DNA again shows it wasn't Kane

Exactly. Not raped by Kane does not equal not raped at all. Kane is most likely innocent of any sex crime at least, if not innocent of all crimes.

But just because he's innocent doesn't mean that a crime against her never took place.

 

[Ares]

Point taken and acknowledged, Ares, but the other side of this coin has to be examined.

What if there's a girl in Buffalo who has to live the rest of her life knowing that a man who raped her got away with it and is going to be playing hockey for millions of dollars to the delight of thousands of people every night? How would you feel if that was your sister or your daughter or the woman who later becomes your wife?

I would feel awful for her..... that would be terrible, truly.

However, the evidence does not support her.... her witness doesn't support her.... her lawyer resigned..... and she is no longer cooperating with the police.

I won't assume a man is a rapist based on her word alone.... if I am wrong and everything has conspired to allow her rapist to walk and someone could prove it to me.... I would feel awful and eat a huge bag of crow.

But the fact remains that Patrick Kane is innocent of rape in the eyes of the law, and even my opinion is not swayed by anything that has been presented.

I fully grasp the other side of the coin DMelt.... but I have nothing in front of me to indicate that her claims might be true, while I have a pile of things that put doubt in my mind about her claims. Maybe that has been fabricated, but until someone shows me something else I won't think of Kane as a rapist or a possible rapist.

 

[DMelt36]

I would feel awful for her..... that would be terrible, truly.

However, the evidence does not support her.... her witness doesn't support her.... her lawyer resigned..... and she is no longer cooperating with the police.

I won't assume a man is a rapist based on her word alone.... if I am wrong and everything has conspired to allow her rapist to walk and someone could prove it to me.... I would feel awful and eat a huge bag of crow.

But the fact remains that Patrick Kane is innocent of rape in the eyes of the law, and even my opinion is not swayed by anything that has been presented.

I fully grasp the other side of the coin DMelt.... but I have nothing in front of me to indicate that her claims might be true, while I have a pile of things that put doubt in my mind about her claims. Maybe that has been fabricated, but until someone shows me something else I won't think of Kane as a rapist or a possible rapist.

Fair enough.

 

[ClydeLee]

Yep maybe kane overpowered her and called a quick time out to put on a condom.. OR maybe Kane was already wearing a condom? and then what? jammed 2 dudes sperm in there as well?

Logic.. try using it

Perhaps you should. Or at least grasp what proof is.

Besides, semen samples aren't gone overnight and may of been from times of the past. It doesn't mean they were of that immediate time.

And people rape people still using condoms plenty of times. You're whole viewpoint is just full of logically inaccuracies to just leap to something that is pointless to leap to.

 

[dbldrew]

Perhaps you should. Or at least grasp what proof is.

Besides, semen samples aren't gone overnight and may of been from times of the past. It doesn't mean they were of that immediate time.

And people rape people still using condoms plenty of times. You're whole viewpoint is just full of logically inaccuracies to just leap to something that is pointless to leap to.

Do rapist usually make sure there is a police officer in the next room before they do their raping?

My viewpoint is based on logic..

 

[ClydeLee]

Do rapist usually make sure there is a police officer in the next room before they do their raping?

My viewpoint is based on logic..

It's based on leaping to assumption, which is not a pathway to a logical conclusion.

You act like the counter point to what you're saying is that Kane raped. It's merely not a logical conclusive stance that no semen means no rape occurred by the accused person in any general situation.

 

[italianbeef]

And we still won't know if Kane was guilty or innocent.

The DNA evidence exonerated him. She said he raped her. He didn't.

Her family faked an evidence tampering hoax after the DNA evidence was leaked. The DA started investigating her. She stopped cooperating.

To think he still might have done it is just showing the bias I said you had the entire time.

 

[italianbeef]

There isn't always going to be sperm on a person in a rape case

There would be DNA, though, unless Kane wore a full body condom.

And if she showed signes of intercourse, Kane would have been arrested the following morning, like Kobe was.

 

[DMelt36]

The DNA evidence exonerated him. She said he raped her. He didn't.

Her family faked an evidence tampering hoax after the DNA evidence was leaked. The DA started investigating her. She stopped cooperating.

To think he still might have done it is just showing the bias I said you had the entire time.

You're a fucking joke.

 

[italianbeef]

If it was just some random guy then maybe. but we are talking about a sports celebrity. Not much chance of mistaking someone else for Kane.

It was leaked that Kane followed her into a room and overpowered her and raped her.

I guess its possible that the media just made that "leak" up I suppose.

But if she was raped by one of Kanes friends and the DA has the DNA of the friend. then why is no charges being filed against the friend?

If all the leaked info is true. then the only logical conclusion is she lied about being raped by Kane

And they found DNA of "at least two" men down in her lady bits. Kane and his cousin were the only two at the house.

She apparently gets around.

 

[italianbeef]

You're a fucking joke.

**** you You believed every leak until the DNA evidence was leaked, then you decided to throw all of the leaks out because your bias was not confirmed.

 

[italianbeef]

When?

Seriously? How could you miss that during the DA presser? Again, you're showing your bias.

 

[DMelt36]

**** you You believed every leak until the DNA evidence was leaked, then you decided to throw all of the leaks out because your bias was not confirmed.

 

[italianbeef]

Fair enough.

Right, we'll call it a draw.

 

[italianbeef]

It's based on leaping to assumption, which is not a pathway to a logical conclusion.

You act like the counter point to what you're saying is that Kane raped. It's merely not a logical conclusive stance that no semen means no rape occurred by the accused person in any general situation.

You're equating semen with DNA. If you high five a person and get your hand tested, you'll have his DNA on your hand.

I think people are willfully being ignorant because they invested so much into believing that Kane is a rapist.

 

[DMelt36]

You're equating semen with DNA. If you high five a person and get your hand tested, you'll have his DNA on your hand.

I think people are willfully being ignorant because they invested so much into believing that Kane is a rapist.

 

[CRM 114]

Point taken and acknowledged, Ares, but the other side of this coin has to be examined.

What if there's a girl in Buffalo who has to live the rest of her life knowing that a man who raped her got away with it and is going to be playing hockey for millions of dollars to the delight of thousands of people every night? How would you feel if that was your sister or your daughter or the woman who later becomes your wife?

It's highly unlikely that is the situation. There is no evidence in the girl's favor except what she has said. The fact that her mother allegedly tampered with evidence and her lawyer quit further makes her story seem like a farce. There's also no physical evidence linking him to the crime.

Terrible to think about that situation, but it is not worth worrying about in this case.