Updates to the Kane situation

[CRM 114]

Damn, I was hoping you died IRL.

Welcome back, idiot.

Must you wish death on everyone?

 

[Tater]

It's highly unlikely that is the situation. There is no evidence in the girl's favor except what she has said. The fact that her mother allegedly tampered with evidence and her lawyer quit further makes her story seem like a farce. There's also no physical evidence linking him to the crime.

Terrible to think about that situation, but it is not worth worrying about in this case.

I don't think I've posted in the thread yet, but her lawyer quitting makes it all seem more suspicious to me. He had a lot to gain/earn if he believed the girl was telling the truth at all. Not too mention the name recognition for getting a conviction in a high profile case.
Hard to think he'd walk away from that if there was any evidence at all. He's privy to a ton more of the evidence then we are obviously.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I don't think I've posted in the thread yet, but her lawyer quitting makes it all seem more suspicious to me. He had a lot to gain/earn if he believed the girl was telling the truth at all. Not too mention the name recognition for getting a conviction in a high profile case.
Hard to think he'd walk away from that if there was any evidence at all. He's privy to a ton more of the evidence then we are obviously.

Don't even bother, this turd didn't even know what graduating high school is like.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Don't even bother, this turd didn't even know what graduating high school is like.

Turd and idiot? In one page? Is bozo no longer en vogue?

 

[bamainatlanta]

I would feel awful for her..... that would be terrible, truly.

However, the evidence does not support her.... her witness doesn't support her.... her lawyer resigned..... and she is no longer cooperating with the police.

I won't assume a man is a rapist based on her word alone.... if I am wrong and everything has conspired to allow her rapist to walk and someone could prove it to me.... I would feel awful and eat a huge bag of crow.

But the fact remains that Patrick Kane is innocent of rape in the eyes of the law, and even my opinion is not swayed by anything that has been presented.

I fully grasp the other side of the coin DMelt.... but I have nothing in front of me to indicate that her claims might be true, while I have a pile of things that put doubt in my mind about her claims. Maybe that has been fabricated, but until someone shows me something else I won't think of Kane as a rapist or a possible rapist.

same way I feel.

 

[CRM 114]

Turd and idiot? In one page? Is bozo no longer en vogue?

He's not very creative as I'm sure you've figured out. Same old shit over and over again.

Like Hawk said a week ago, he's a broken record that doesn't ever shut the hell up.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

#calledit

Keep it up, droolbar.

 

[Parade_Rain]

#bozo

 

[bamainatlanta]

I agree, he won't be charged and none of us know one way or the other. But perhaps you want to rethink your stance on not caring if a rapist goes free. Also, you may want to learn more about actually getting convictions for rape, generally.

I'd rather a criminal go free then an innocent man get incarcerated. You may want to learn more on how our justice system is setup generally speaking.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Do rapist usually make sure there is a police officer in the next room before they do their raping?

My viewpoint is based on logic..

Stop saying or mentioning that you have or are using "logic". If you did, you wouldn't keep saying "I could care less". This implies you do actually care. #Logic

In general, we will never know what happened. The whole thing should of been private until a full investigation was done and charges were brought or not. This whole past few months has really shown though how far as a society we still need to go until sexual assault/rape is completely understood and how fucked up the whole process is. Mainly from the meatballs and ignorant folks all over social media saying "she knew what she was getting into" or "she's a gold digger" or "Kane can have any woman he wants, why would he rape her" when no facts had even been laid out besides Kane was being accused. I hope none of those people ever get sexually assault or know someone who gets sexually assaulted because quite frankly, their world is going to do a 180 in actually understanding rape and sexual assault and how dark and scary it truly is for real victims and their families.




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[ClydeLee]

You're equating semen with DNA. If you high five a person and get your hand tested, you'll have his DNA on your hand.

I think people are willfully being ignorant because they invested so much into believing that Kane is a rapist.

Yet you don't think people are willfully ignorant of the exact opposite. It goes both ways there clearly.

I don't think or make any claims of kane having raped her. I didn't even stand against that. The lack of rational judgement to bring that up is most telling of people not being able to follow a direct criticism of a simple point. I just made a judgement on a logically flaw in estimating what proof is. A lack of evidence isn't proof in itself in any means. A lack of evidence becomes a piece of evidence but isn't constituted enough to be what proof is.

 

[Bearin' Down]

I'd rather a criminal go free then an innocent man get incarcerated. You may want to learn more on how our justice system is setup generally speaking.

Trust me, I know way more about it then you. And between the two alternatives you proposed I'd agree, but you made up the scenario where an incarcerated person is innocent. If someone raped someone, you should care if they are set free, unlike your previous statement.

The hack job of a William Blackstone/Benjamin Franklin quote isn't applicable here, as no one is suggesting prosecuting an innocent person.

 

[dbldrew]

Stop saying or mentioning that you have or are using "logic". If you did, you wouldn't keep saying "I could care less". This implies you do actually care. #Logic

In general, we will never know what happened. The whole thing should of been private until a full investigation was done and charges were brought or not. This whole past few months has really shown though how far as a society we still need to go until sexual assault/rape is completely understood and how fucked up the whole process is. Mainly from the meatballs and ignorant folks all over social media saying "she knew what she was getting into" or "she's a gold digger" or "Kane can have any woman he wants, why would he rape her" when no facts had even been laid out besides Kane was being accused. I hope none of those people ever get sexually assault or know someone who gets sexually assaulted because quite frankly, their world is going to do a 180 in actually understanding rape and sexual assault and how dark and scary it truly is for real victims and their families.




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its interesting you didnt call out all the meatballs calling Kane a rapist. Someone calling her a gold digger and someone calling Kane a rapist are 2 sides of the same coin. The only difference is the ones calling her a gold digger seem to be correct.

There is only 2 options in regards to Kane.. either he is a rapist or he is a victim of a false accusation.. and so far all that has been leaked show he is the victim.

I hope none of the "kane is a rapist" crowd never get falsely accused of rape or know someone who gets falsely accused, because their world is going to do a 180 in actually understanding false accusation, and how dark and scary it is to have your life ruined just on some lie.

 

[winos5]

It's not a lack of evidence. There is plenty of evidence, it just supports the view that Kane did not rape or sexually assault her.

 

[LordKOTL]

its interesting you didnt call out all the meatballs calling Kane a rapist. Someone calling her a gold digger and someone calling Kane a rapist are 2 sides of the same coin. The only difference is the ones calling her a gold digger seem to be correct.

There is only 2 options in regards to Kane.. either he is a rapist or he is a victim of a false accusation.. and so far all that has been leaked show he is the victim.

I hope none of the "kane is a rapist" crowd never get falsely accused of rape or know someone who gets falsely accused, because their world is going to do a 180 in actually understanding false accusation, and how dark and scary it is to have your life ruined just on some lie.

I get what you're saying in bold, but outside of people's *opinion* it's false.

Kane could have raped her (unlikely given the published evidence). Kane is likely innocent and she could have still been raped. Kane is likely innocent and she made the whole thing up. one of those three is likely how the whole thing played out. It's not an either/or on whether Kane is guilty or not and whether or not she made it up: Kane's guilt or innocence is disjointed from whether or not she made it up or not.

It's not a lack of evidence. There is plenty of evidence, it just supports the view that Kane did not rape or sexually assault her.

At least the published evidence. As yet there's been no official statement pertaining to evidence of whether or not she was actually raped or fabricated the story.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

its interesting you didnt call out all the meatballs calling Kane a rapist. Someone calling her a gold digger and someone calling Kane a rapist are 2 sides of the same coin. The only difference is the ones calling her a gold digger seem to be correct.

There is only 2 options in regards to Kane.. either he is a rapist or he is a victim of a false accusation.. and so far all that has been leaked show he is the victim.

I hope none of the "kane is a rapist" crowd never get falsely accused of rape or know someone who gets falsely accused, because their world is going to do a 180 in actually understanding false accusation, and how dark and scary it is to have your life ruined just on some lie.

My whole point of the post was not to say that making assumptions for one side and ignoring the other was right or wrong. My whole point was about some of our societies views on rape and sexual assault still being preposterous and skewed to making it seems so black and white and like "well she knew what she was getting into" and "why would Kane rape her when he can have any girl he wants".

Anyone who assumed Kane was guilty also fits the bill of people who should wait for the evidence to come out and "innocent before proven guilty".

The whole thing should of been kept private until actual information was in hand and they decided they were either going to charge or not charge him. Court of public opinion is one thing, and sure I would hate to be known as a "potential rapist", so Kane now has the ability to sue in civil court. If I'm him and I truly want to clear my name of any wrong doing, I go after her to prove my innocence.



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[italianbeef]

It's not a lack of evidence. There is plenty of evidence, it just supports the view that Kane did not rape or sexually assault her.

But, but, RAPE CULTURE!

 

[italianbeef]

At least the published evidence. As yet there's been no official statement pertaining to evidence of whether or not she was actually raped or fabricated the story.

The DA spilled the beans about the DNA leak being true. Remember, that's about the time when everyone calling Kane a rapist suddenly decided that we just can't trust the leaks anymore.

 

[DMelt36]

Patrick Kane will not be charged. The following statement was released just now:

Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita, III announces the following.

The Town of Hamburg Police Department and the Office of the Erie County District Attorney have conducted an exhaustive investigation over the course of the past three months regarding allegations made by a 21 year-old woman that 26 year-old Patrick Kane raped her on his bed. The investigative findings include the following:

There are significant material inconsistencies between the complainant’s accounts and those of other witnesses.

The DNA results lend no corroboration whatsoever to the complainant’s claim of penetration, a required element of proof for a rape charge.

The physical evidence and the forensic evidence, when viewed in tandem, tend to contradict the complainant’s claim that she was raped on Kane’s bed.

Although Kane has exercised his constitutional right to remain silent (which prohibits questioning by law enforcement), he has made no known incriminating statements to any civilian, nor has he engaged in any conduct consistent with a consciousness of guilt.

Additionally, the complainant, after consultation with her attorney, has decided that she does not wish to go forward with a criminal prosecution. She has recently signed what is commonly referred to as a “Non-Prosecution Affidavit” that states, in relevant part: “That after fully discussing all the circumstances with my attorney, I have decided I do not wish to criminally prosecute the charges which stem out of this investigation. I do so of my own free will and without any promises or compensation.”

A complainant’s willingness or reluctance to go forward is an important factor in determining whether a criminal prosecution, brought by this office on behalf of the People of the State of New York, will go forward. It is not, however, decisive. In other words, a complainant’s allegations, standing alone, do not trigger a criminal prosecution; nor does a complainant’s wish to withdraw charges, standing alone, determine whether a criminal case will be terminated.

Our prosecution standard is proof-based and has been stated on many occasions: consistent with the discretion afforded to the District Attorney under the law, we prosecute when the credible evidence, likely admissible in court, proves a crime was committed and proves the accused committed it.

The totality of the credible evidence -- the proof -- does not sufficiently substantiate the complainant’s allegation that she was raped by Patrick Kane and this so-called “case” is rife with reasonable doubt. Accordingly, the Office of the Erie County District Attorney will not present this matter to an Erie County Grand Jury.

A confidential correspondence has been sent to the Town Hamburg Police Chief (with copies forwarded to legal counsel for the complainant and Mr. Kane), setting forth in greater detail the investigative findings and the reasons for the decision not to criminally prosecute this matter.

The District Attorney will not be holding a press conference.

This is all over, thank God.

 

[DMelt36]

Probably the last day for this thread so go ahead and get it all out of your system today.