Updates to the Kane situation

[HawkWriter]

There's gonna be a whole lotta "no comments" from players, I think. I bet one follow-up question will be to ask players if they've talked to Kane since all of this started. The answers to those questions (if they get them) would be interesting, IMO.

I completely agree. You better believe that there will be a team meeting with basically scripted answers given to each player if a certain question is asked. Blackhawks will do everything they can to control the media, control the answers given to the media, etc etc.

 

[DMelt36]

Investigation? Charged? Why is anyone being suspended before they are even convicted or acquitted. If you don't bring him to camp...when are you going to bring him? 18 months from now when this is resolved?

PR move by the team.

 

[ClydeLee]

Investigation? Charged? Why is anyone being suspended before they are even convicted or acquitted. If you don't bring him to camp...when are you going to bring him? 18 months from now when this is resolved?

Because they can be by rules. I don't know if rules wise/historically this is going over some peoples heads or not. Players just under investigation or dealing with even only civil lawsuits have been suspended or kept away from their team in the past. It happened with the league and other leagues.

The CBA allows either the team or the league to suspend a guy under investigation prior to charge. It's still some overriding rules of damaging the image to the league and harming the reputation rules that kick in. It's the same in the NFL. Was Ben Rothlesberger arrested, charged, or went into trail? No, He had a settlement deal reached and still under the leagues personal conduct rule was suspended for 4 games. You don't need to be charged or convicted to be suspended.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Awwww look, Trev is all insecure that a noob's intro post is better than anything he has ever written. That's kinda cute. If you really want to impress men posing as attractive women over the internet with your pseudo alpha tactics, then rustle up members with 20-50 posts. I know it takes a higher degree of confidence, but you can do it buddy!

... Or your joke was so lame, that I was hoping you brought substance to your next posts. Judging by the amount of "thanks" I got, I wasn't the only one who thought that.

After reading your response, it seems we can't always get what we want.


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[HawkWriter]

Scott Levin of WGRZ in Buffalo is reporting that Patrick Kane will attend camp.

 

[Ares]

Scott Levin of WGRZ in Buffalo is reporting that Patrick Kane will attend camp.

DMelt plz don't self-ban.... if you leave this place will go to shit

 

[HawkWriter]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ckhawks-training-camp-investigation/72336940/

USA Today weighs in on the situation.

Hard to know who to listen to but luckily just about 48 hours at the most until everyone finds out how this situation is going to be handled in regards to camp.

 

[HeHateMe]

I don't understand why they wouldn't let him come to camp. It's not like there will be any drunk girls there. Should be biz as usual. :shrug:

 

[PatrickShart]

There was no penetration. Let him come to camp

 

[Tater]

I don't understand why they wouldn't let him come to camp. It's not like there will be any drunk girls there. Should be biz as usual. :shrug:

Maybe you need to go down there and help McDumbass get pumped up. :shrug:

 

[LordKOTL]

Movie is so underrated.

Agreed!

The best part was, the movie Miracle was able to save a metric shit-tonne in costuming because the found his Used Cars wardrobe.

I don't know if that's true or not, but the clothes are remarkably similar

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[HawkWriter]

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/v2/ext/MediaRelations/2015TrainingCampRoster.pdf

Official training camp roster released by the Blackhawks. Might not mean anything, but Kane is in fact on the camp roster.

 

[HeHateMe]

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/v2/ext/MediaRelations/2015TrainingCampRoster.pdf

Official training camp roster released by the Blackhawks. Might not mean anything, but Kane is in fact on the camp roster.

#calledit

 

[DMelt36]

DMelt plz don't self-ban.... if you leave this place will go to shit

And that would be different, how?

I'm baffled by this. They must have some sort of affirmation that the investigation is going to be over real soon. But I still don't think this is the right move. Just my $ .02.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

McGrinch, Bowman and Q are all scheduled for a press conference tomorrow at 2:00.

 

[PatrickShart]

But the only information you have - is what is written in the media.

He still hasn't been charged with anything.
He is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...not accused of being guilty by the political correct or the media police.

What if he did nothing wrong...other than bang a crazy chick? Why should he be banished from hockey because of her?

 

[winos5]

TSN confirms Kane will attend training camp through Blackhawk team officials

 

[DMelt36]

But the only information you have - is what is written in the media.

He still hasn't been charged with anything.
He is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...not accused of being guilty by the political correct or the media police.

What if he did nothing wrong...other than bang a crazy chick? Why should he be banished from hockey because of her?

Guilt or innocence only applies in a court of law, and this is not a court of law.

Like I said earlier, it's all about the optics of this and the PR angle of it. Having a player in training camp that is currently being investigated for a rape just doesn't look good. And considering how much the Hawks talk about their image, I didn't think they'd risk that look, but it appears as if I'm going to be wrong on that.

Look at it from the other side: what if Kane is later charged and convicted with rape? How bad would that look?

Still think the Hawks FO must know something about the case that we don't, which is why they're allowing Kane to show up tomorrow. Should be an interesting press conference tomorrow.

 

[Joker85]

Guilt or innocence only applies in a court of law, and this is not a court of law.

Like I said earlier, it's all about the optics of this and the PR angle of it. Having a player in training camp that is currently being investigated for a rape just doesn't look good. And considering how much the Hawks talk about their image, I didn't think they'd risk that look, but it appears as if I'm going to be wrong on that.

Look at it from the other side: what if Kane is later charged and convicted with rape? How bad would that look?

Still think the Hawks FO must know something about the case that we don't, which is why they're allowing Kane to show up tomorrow. Should be an interesting press conference tomorrow.

I'm not trying to personally attack you here but I see the optics argument a lot and I find it to be an incredible cop out. If he did nothing wrong, then saying he should be punished because of the "optics" is nonsensical. He did nothing wrong. If our modern society has a problem that causes it to wish punishment upon those that did nothing wrong, then the solution is not to punish the innocent, it is to simply change that flaw in society. You can go back the past 100 years and find a whole bunch of stuff that at the time would have caused "bad optics" that we now would laugh at. You don't indulge people engaged in nonsensical arguments or demand that an innocent person be punished to satiate some lynch mob joe 6 pack.

If he is innocent, he did absolutely nothing wrong. Going to a bar is not wrong in the slightest for an athlete. Bringing a girl home is not wrong in the slightest for an athlete. People try to shield their opinions behind cliches and catch phrases like "but he embarrassed the blackhawks!". If he did not rape this girl, he did nothing to embarrass the blackhawks, and indeed nothing that practically every other blackhawk has not done as well. Captain serious himself has gone to bars. I'm pretty sure he is not a virgin. So talking about optics or "put himself in that situation" seems to me to be a weasel way for people to argue that he should be punished despite having no facts or evidence to warrant it by then trying to pass it off on some non described mob of people who would be watching the "optics".

Basically Kane is either the victim of a crime (filing a false police report, extortion), or a rapist. If he is the victim, arguing that he should not have been drunk or taken a girl home to somehow shift the blame back onto him is wrong, and doubly ironic given how many of the people making those arguments would rush condemn those arguments if they were made against a woman that was the victim of the crime. If he is a rapist, then he deserves everything that he has coming to him and can rot in prison forever for all I care. But there is no middle ground here, no "well he's not a rapist but I want to find something to condemn him for anyway so I can seem wise and reasonable".

Again I'm not addressing all that to just you, but rather similar arguments that I have seen floating around a good many places.

 

[DMelt36]

I'm not trying to personally attack you here but I see the optics argument a lot and I find it to be an incredible cop out. If he did nothing wrong, then saying he should be punished because of the "optics" is nonsensical. He did nothing wrong. If our modern society has a problem that causes it to wish punishment upon those that did nothing wrong, then the solution is not to punish the innocent, it is to simply change that flaw in society. You can go back the past 100 years and find a whole bunch of stuff that at the time would have caused "bad optics" that we now would laugh at. You don't indulge people engaged in nonsensical arguments or demand that an innocent person be punished to satiate some lynch mob joe 6 pack.

If he is innocent, he did absolutely nothing wrong. Going to a bar is not wrong in the slightest for an athlete. Bringing a girl home is not wrong in the slightest for an athlete. People try to shield their opinions behind cliches and catch phrases like "but he embarrassed the blackhawks!". If he did not rape this girl, he did nothing to embarrass the blackhawks, and indeed nothing that practically every other blackhawk has not done as well. Captain serious himself has gone to bars. I'm pretty sure he is not a virgin. So talking about optics or "put himself in that situation" seems to me to be a weasel way for people to argue that he should be punished despite having no facts or evidence to warrant it by then trying to pass it off on some non described mob of people who would be watching the "optics".

Basically Kane is either the victim of a crime (filing a false police report, extortion), or a rapist. If he is the victim, arguing that he should not have been drunk or taken a girl home to somehow shift the blame back onto him is wrong, and doubly ironic given how many of the people making those arguments would rush condemn those arguments if they were made against a woman that was the victim of the crime. If he is a rapist, then he deserves everything that he has coming to him and can rot in prison forever for all I care. But there is no middle ground here, no "well he's not a rapist but I want to find something to condemn him for anyway so I can seem wise and reasonable".

Again I'm not addressing all that to just you, but rather similar arguments that I have seen floating around a good many places.

These are all good points.