Updates to the Kane situation

[PatrickShart]

Right... But I would hate to be cheering for a rapist (if he gets charged and convicted) on my favorite hockey team.


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And if he's charged/convicted....he will be in jail, not on the ice

 

[shoopster]

Wrong. He wasn't walking off without paying the fare and he wasn't charged with assault. Do some research on what actually happened

And now....he's in trouble for "almost" another crime?

"Kane, 20, and James M. Kane, 21, were arrested about 5 a.m. on Eastwood Place, according to Buffalo police reports.
The pair allegedly punched the cab driver and grabbed money they had handed him after he told them he didn't have twenty cents in coins to give them their change, the report said.
Their fare was $13.80 and they handed the driver $15, according to a report.
The cab driver told police he was punched in the face and head, grabbed by the throat and had his glasses broken during the incident."
Kane and his cousin have been charged with second-degree robbery, fourth-degree criminal mischief and theft of services.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Kane-arrested-after-allegedly-assaulting-robbin?urn=nhl-181695

On August 9, 2009, Kane and his cousin, James M. Kane, were arrested in Buffalo. According to a police report, Kane was apprehended around 5:00 a.m. after allegedly punching cab driver Jan Radecki when he claimed to not have proper change for their trip fare. Kane and his cousin's cab fare came out to be $14.80, and they gave him $15.00.

Kane was charged with second-degree robbery, fourth-degree criminal mischief, and theft of services. He pled not guilty. On August 17, Kane apologized for the distress he caused, saying he had been "at the wrong place at the wrong time," and mentioned his family, the Chicago Blackhawks organization, and their fan base—but not Radecki.[26] Kane and his cousin appeared before a grand jury on August 19.[27] While they were cleared of any felony charges, the two were still indicted on less severe misdemeanor assault, theft and harassment charges.[27] Kane and his cousin reiterated their not guilty pleas when appearing in court the next day.[28] On August 27, Kane and cousin pled guilty to noncriminal disorderly conduct charges, and were both given conditional discharges, avoiding any penalties if they stayed out of trouble for a year, and also ordered to apologize to Radecki.[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Kane

What did I get wrong here, Patrick? And try not to shart yourself while answering ...

 

[PatrickShart]

"Kane, 20, and James M. Kane, 21, were arrested about 5 a.m. on Eastwood Place, according to Buffalo police reports.
The pair allegedly punched the cab driver and grabbed money they had handed him after he told them he didn't have twenty cents in coins to give them their change, the report said.
Their fare was $13.80 and they handed the driver $15, according to a report.
The cab driver told police he was punched in the face and head, grabbed by the throat and had his glasses broken during the incident."
Kane and his cousin have been charged with second-degree robbery, fourth-degree criminal mischief and theft of services.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Kane-arrested-after-allegedly-assaulting-robbin?urn=nhl-181695

On August 9, 2009, Kane and his cousin, James M. Kane, were arrested in Buffalo. According to a police report, Kane was apprehended around 5:00 a.m. after allegedly punching cab driver Jan Radecki when he claimed to not have proper change for their trip fare. Kane and his cousin's cab fare came out to be $14.80, and they gave him $15.00.

Kane was charged with second-degree robbery, fourth-degree criminal mischief, and theft of services. He pled not guilty. On August 17, Kane apologized for the distress he caused, saying he had been "at the wrong place at the wrong time," and mentioned his family, the Chicago Blackhawks organization, and their fan base—but not Radecki.[26] Kane and his cousin appeared before a grand jury on August 19.[27] While they were cleared of any felony charges, the two were still indicted on less severe misdemeanor assault, theft and harassment charges.[27] Kane and his cousin reiterated their not guilty pleas when appearing in court the next day.[28] On August 27, Kane and cousin pled guilty to noncriminal disorderly conduct charges, and were both given conditional discharges, avoiding any penalties if they stayed out of trouble for a year, and also ordered to apologize to Radecki.[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Kane

What did I get wrong here, Patrick? And try not to shart yourself while answering ...

Try not to shart yourself while reading those key words I highlighted for you

 

[PatrickShart]

You said they didn't pay the cabbie. Wrong. You just cited that they DID pay the guy

They cabbie locked them in the cab and refused to let them leave because they wanted change and wouldn't tip the guy. Hence the reason they got pissed and his cousin was the one that got violent.

That's why they refused to plead guilty to any of the assault charged. That's why the cabbie didn't try to take them to civil court, because that guy could/should have been charged with false imprisonment. And that's why the charge was all the way down to noncriminal disorderly conduct

So go back to watching your antique road show in the old folks home, grandma

 

[vanchize]

[video=youtube;wmO9cXjKTIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmO9cXjKTIA[/video]

 

[bamainatlanta]

Right... But I would hate to be cheering for a rapist (if he gets charged and convicted) on my favorite hockey team.


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Patrick Kane has been raping divisional opponent's for years....

 

[shoopster]

You said they didn't pay the cabbie. Wrong. You just cited that they DID pay the guy

They cabbie locked them in the cab and refused to let them leave because they wanted change and wouldn't tip the guy. Hence the reason they got pissed and his cousin was the one that got violent.

That's why they refused to plead guilty to any of the assault charged. That's why the cabbie didn't try to take them to civil court, because that guy could/should have been charged with false imprisonment. And that's why the charge was all the way down to noncriminal disorderly conduct

So go back to watching your antique road show in the old folks home, grandma

I'm not a lawyer, Shart, so I don't parse words. The guy beat up a cabbie because he didn't have 20 cents change, and from some of the accounts I've read, he took the $15.00 back and left (hence the charge for theft of services). As for whether something is "criminal" or "not criminal" in the eyes of the law, I really don't care - if you break the law you break the law, whether its considered criminal or a misdemeanor.

Your detail on the legalities of the situation are great, but I don't think anyone - probably not even you - is disputing what happened that night with the cabbie. Kane and his cousin were drunk and they broke the law. Thus my point - simply that the guy has shown in the past he has a lack of regard for the law - usually while drunk - and that is bound to color the opinions of people as they evaluate this latest situation.

 

[PatrickShart]

If they broke the law, then why weren't they convicted for theft of services? If the cab driver was assaulted, as you claim, then why wouldn't he file a civil suit (and win/settle/get some money out of it?) It would be a slam dunk for a multi millionaire to pay him something.

But they (Kane and cousin) continued to deny that an assault took place and refused to plead guilty for that.

So if a cab driver locks you in the cab, refuses to give you your change, you would simply sit there and take it? Kane should have handed him whatever amount of money the guy wanted. Being a millionaire, people should be able to lock you in their car for as long as they want and get whatever they want from him

 

[ClydeLee]

So if a cab driver locks you in the cab, refuses to give you your change, you would simply sit there and take it?

Yeah, it's talked conversation.

 

[PatrickShart]

Yeah, it's talked conversation.

And if he refuses to let you out or give you change - you simply let him keep whatever amount he wants? I guess if someone is submissive, they let people take advantage of them. I wouldn't. But different persona's may. And that's why he wasn't convicted of assault, theft of services, robbery or anything else that was falsely accused

 

[PatrickShart]

What does anyone know about the cab driver? Did he threaten them first? Is this guy a total asshole that was cursing them out/challenging them? No one knows/talks about that. Maybe the legalities of the case shouldn't be taken off of Wikipedia and taken as the entire facts of the case?

 

[ClydeLee]

And if he refuses to let you out or give you change - you simply let him keep whatever amount he wants? I guess if someone is submissive, they let people take advantage of them. I wouldn't. But different persona's may. And that's why he wasn't convicted of assault, theft of services, robbery or anything else that was falsely accused

You don't get taken advantage of by sitting there and demanding it back in conversation.. instead of physically initiating any force. You just keep talking it out. That guy needs to get back on the road anyway, time is money far more to him. You keep talking until he gives you what you want.

There was rumor reports of the cabbie having issues before but that could of been true or utter bullshit made up by people wanting to support Kane.

 

[PatrickShart]

You don't get taken advantage of by sitting there and demanding it back in conversation.. instead of physically initiating any force. You just keep talking it out. That guy needs to get back on the road anyway, time is money far more to him. You keep talking until he gives you what you want.

There was rumor reports of the cabbie having issues before but that could of been true or utter bullshit made up by people wanting to support Kane.

Maybe some of it was true, based on the fact they didn't get convicted with the serious crimes they were initially charged with? Maybe the driver was the aggressor and they defended themselves? And why wasn't their a civil suit against Kane/cousin if they were the aggressors and assaulted the driver as RUMORED?

Could very well be that Kane tried "talking it out" and the driver got aggressive. I'm not one that would let some old angry cab driver assault me, I'd whoop his ass too. But then again, I'm not one to sit back and get taken advantage of either.

 

[PatrickShart]

If you don't know your way around a city, cab drivers will do whatever they can to take the long routes and over charge/milk as much money out of you as they can. There's way more asshole/angry cab drivers than not. They'll do whatever they can to try to take advantage of people if they think you don't know better. Happens very often here in Vegas with visitors. And being a local, the cabbies get pissed when I tell them the route I want them to take - because it's faster and less money for them.

It's why Uber is blowing them out of the water and the cab union did everything they could to keep them out - and lost.

 

[winos5]

[video]http://wgntv.com/2015/09/18/wgn-legal-analyst-breaks-down-patrick-kanes-news-conference/[/video]

 

[shoopster]

If you don't know your way around a city, cab drivers will do whatever they can to take the long routes and over charge/milk as much money out of you as they can. There's way more asshole/angry cab drivers than not. They'll do whatever they can to try to take advantage of people if they think you don't know better. Happens very often here in Vegas with visitors. And being a local, the cabbies get pissed when I tell them the route I want them to take - because it's faster and less money for them.

It's why Uber is blowing them out of the water and the cab union did everything they could to keep them out - and lost.

You're right, of course, Shart. And when that happens, we should all be man enough to have the temerity to beat the living shit out of them, just like Patrick does ...

 

[DMelt36]

So what are you getting at here, Shart? Do you want me to believe that Kane is some model citizen that's never done anything wrong? That his reputation is falsely comprised of inaccurate narratives?

 

[PatrickShart]

So what are you getting at here, Shart? Do you want me to believe that Kane is some model citizen that's never done anything wrong? That his reputation is falsely comprised of inaccurate narratives?

Never said he was ever a model citizen. And no athlete should ever be expected to be a role model. The cab incident or having a few beers has nothing to do with being accused of rape. If he's a rapist - he'll be charged with rape. But he hasn't been.

He's a hockey player, that's it. And if he's innocent of these charges - he's been dragged through the mud and none of this black mark will ever go away.

Have you ever known anyone falsely accused of something like this? It's bullshit

I've said it before, I could care less how much a player drinks in the off season, or how much a person goes to church and is a bible thumper. Once he steps on the ice, I enjoy watching him play. If he's a criminal - the court of law will put him in jail.

Did you cheer for Roenick, Chelios, Suter, Smith, Belfour, Probert? You'd be extremely hypocritical if you ever did.

 

[TCD]

Maybe some of it was true, based on the fact they didn't get convicted with the serious crimes they were initially charged with? Maybe the driver was the aggressor and they defended themselves? And why wasn't their a civil suit against Kane/cousin if they were the aggressors and assaulted the driver as RUMORED?

Could very well be that Kane tried "talking it out" and the driver got aggressive. I'm not one that would let some old angry cab driver assault me, I'd whoop his ass too. But then again, I'm not one to sit back and get taken advantage of either.

Are there a lot of cabs picking you up to take you from cell D to cell G?

 

[PatrickShart]

Are there a lot of cabs picking you up to take you from cell D to cell G?

They do know where to get the best blow