Versteeg/Sweatt to TORONTO For Stalberg/DiDomenico/Paradis

[the canadian dream]

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They haven't put into consideration Huet playing on the Farm or in the KHL. Which is going to happen if you ask me.

 

[JOVE23]

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[quote name="pmxc12873"]Well...they have 8mil...and havent added Huet's 5.625 ...so make that 13.625mil available[/quote]



Exactly. You'd think "NHL insiders" would know that Huet is going bye-bye even if we have to hire Sam DeStefano to make him and his contract "disappear"

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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[quote name="JOVE23"]



Exactly. You'd think "NHL insiders" would know that Huet is going bye-bye even if we have to hire Sam DeStefano to make him and his contract "disappear"[/quote]

Exactly, Hammer and Niemi are young and played great, especially Hammer, teams would foam at the mouth for a chance to get him. But Ladd I don't see getting that much more. I mean I frickin love the guy, but what did he do to deserve that much more than he's already making? His points have been steady, his play has been consistent. His points are among the best for 3rd line type players, but the guys a winner, if he goes to ATL for 500k more then go, have fun......IN ATLANTA. My point is, even though he's only 24 still, IMO he won't ever be a big scorer, he's great defensively, tough, hits, but how much more is he worth than when we signed him last. I really hope I don't see his name with another city next to it next year, look at whats going on here in Chicago, take a pay cut and win a couple more cups dammit.

 

[hockeyzep]

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Well, can't say we did not see the writing on the wall on this one..Wish good Luck to Steeg. Seemed like a good fit for this team, but it is what it is: salary needed to be dumped. Plus gotta say, his lack of discipline (getting the puck in deep) was maddening at times. Either way sad to see anyone from this team be dealt, but if this means room for #4 and eventually #7 gotta agree w/ the move. Also have admit here I know nothing on the return guys, so I will defer to previously posted knowledge on the return...

Well, we knew it would be a different looking team next year..guess we gotta hope for the best.



I did always hear good things about Sweatt (he played inline at my local rink--w/ Lee too, since 10 years old, when he was the best player around) I wish him well in TO..heard his skating ability was second to none. we'll see i guess

 

[PYsebaert]

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[quote name="Cornflake"]I can't believe how much after a cup after all these years you can rip a guy so hard after he leaves, seriously?



Ya some turnovers, what do you expect...2nd year..geez. He scored some timely goals for us this season and postseason.



I'm actually a little irritated you're not showing much respect to the guy. If you don't enjoy his play, so be it. But he just was a vital part in a stanley cup. I will root for all these guys for the rest of their careers, no matter what happens or where they go. Just as long as it's not against the hawks of course.[/quote]



Good post, I agree 100%.



Im not suprised about this trade but im realy sad to see Steeger go, I was still hopeing that we would manage to keep him with Huet in Rockford and Ladd not signed. Im also not that pleased with the return, we should have got more for Versteeg.

 

[Razzberry]

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[quote name="pmxc12873"]Well...they have 8mil...and havent added Huet's 5.625 ...so make that 13.625mil available[/quote]

Just because they're eventually going to ship him off, doesn't mean that the money magically comes off the cap for when it matters (tomorrow). They only have $8M to work with right now and Huet's salary gets freed up later in the summer when they're able to send him down.

 

[roshinaya]

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If the Hawks do have $4m bonus, then why did Bowman say there were no more trades needed after the Buff trade? Was he just trying to bluff to keep the value up for his players? Or did the creative cap management they had planned out not work as planned?

 

[Irish Hawk]

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Sorry to see Versteeg go but that life in the cap era. Would have love to see him develop more here as he frustrates the hell out of me sometimes but he has serious talent to make up for it. Best of luck Kris and thanks for everything you did for this club. Hopefully Huet getting dumped will be the last player to leave for now.

 

[BigPete]

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[quote name="Pez68"]



Well, the issue is, anticipation out on the ice isn't really something that can be taught, and it is even more difficult to teach to someone in their mid 20s. I mean, you can teach people positioning in a lot of situations, but anyone that has played knows that positioning is all situational. You can't teach someone to anticipate where the puck is going, where the forechecker is going, what the defenseman is doing, or, most importantly, where your teammates are going to be. Players really either have that...or they don't. I think Versteeg is in the don't have category. I mean, the guy is amazing with the puck, and there is NO doubting his talent. He is extremely skilled. That said, I find myself yelling at the TV when he has the puck, more than any other player I have ever watched over the last 10 years. His decisions are simply mind-boggling at times, and he makes the wrong decision far too often for my liking.[/quote]

Bingo.

When I say he wasn't a good team player I am talking about how no one seemed to be able to work with him. Not Toews, not Kane, not Sharp, nor Bolland. He was always a solo artist on the attack and his ability to help his line get a goal was sorely lacking because of this. He was a third liner 80% of the time. Did you guys all forget that? I can count on one hand how many times he teamed up with a linemate to assist on or score a great goal, usually because it was such a huge departure from the norm. That's not Bowman hockey and had more to do with him leaving than a salary that THEY caused with the offer letter fiasco (or conspiracy, depending on who you believe was really at fault).

 

[Tim]

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Seems like good value for Versteeg. I hope he continues to grow as a player and has great success in Toronto. The Versteeg bashers need to remember he is still a very young player with speed and skill.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

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Here's a challenge for the class: If (like me) you disagree with bigpete and have already posted your opinion, just move on and don't reply directly. An adult discussion is one thing, but nobody's going to change their mind based on childish arguments and name calling.



-5Minutes

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

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[quote name="whalerhawk"]In a perfect world, we don't dump either player, Buff or Versteeg, but lets be honest, those players were chosen for a reason over Bolland and Sharp.



Both players have flaws. For Buff, its inconsistency. For Steeg, it's great natural talent, but a propensity for turnovers and reckless play at times.



Sharp and Bolland, for the money, are far more valuable to this team, plain and simple, both for the position they play and for the productivity they bring (assuming Bolland's back stays healthy).



No Hawk fan should be truly surprised by this move. Now that they moved both players, I'm more comfortable with the Buff trade because if they made the choice one vs. the other, I would have chosen to keep Buff, not Steeger. In the end, they had to deal both.[/quote]







This is very true. To further your point, Versteeg was also playing on a checking line in a checking role. Yes, it was a checking line that could score which is very much a luxury to have, but Versteeg is better suited to be on a scoring line. That was not going to happen any time soon with this 'Hawks team.

 

[bierboy]

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[quote name="R K"]...I hope this means Ladd is returning!....[/quote]

This...in spades.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

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Every last one of knew someone else was going to get dealt, and we all had a player we wanted to see go before soemone else. I see all the bashing going on, and on one hand I am suprised that some have gone from thank you for the cup now get the hell out of here you loser; and on the other I am not, as we all have favorite players.



I for one am not at all suprised and I kind of like this trade. I would rather lose Versteeg and keep Sharp, and Ladd. I am not a Versteeg fan, don't hate him, just not a fan. I think his mistakes are too blaring, and I for one dont want to wait the 2 or 3 years it will take for him to learn, but that is my opinion. He definetly was an integral part of this reason the team had the season they did.

I only wish him the best, I am sorry for him he is in Toronto though. He's going to be missed, that's for sure, but i think the team core they still have will not let the cohesivness disappear.

 

[Sathington Willoby]

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I have to admit Steeger drove me crazy at times last season, but in the playoffs, he was solid and it's sad to him go. This is life in the salary cap world. At least Stan is being smart in reloading the prospect pipeline. Those up and comers are who we'll need to step in over the next few years to support the core in keeping us competing for more cups. Now hopefully we can retain Ladd after this. And I'm glad we're making trades with the Eastern Conference... Certainly don't want to see Versteeg and Buff 4-6 times a year.

 

[bierboy]

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[quote name="R K"]...Solid post and I agree. I'll miss seeing Buff, Steeg, Sopel and even Eager around the ice. All played a role winning the first Cup in 49 years. Still can't believe I was alive and there to witness it![/quote]

Well said...they ALL played a role and will forever be remembered by us.



BTW, Ron, you should check the spelling on Blackhawks in your sig... :mrgreen:

 

[BigPete]

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[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]Here's a challenge for the class: If (like me) you disagree with bigpete and have already posted your opinion, just move on and don't reply directly. An adult discussion is one thing, but nobody's going to change their mind based on childish arguments and name calling.



-5Minutes[/quote]

Dude, really? But it was okay for Maiden to call my opinion ludicrous? That makes sense. I just swore, last time I checked that was an adult activity. If you want me to stop, how about you don't fan the flames by calling me childish, ever think of that? An insult is still an insult regardless of whether it has a swear word in it or not.

 

[Larmer83]

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[quote name="roshinaya"]If the Hawks do have $4m bonus, then why did Bowman say there were no more trades needed after the Buff trade? Was he just trying to bluff to keep the value up for his players? Or did the creative cap management they had planned out not work as planned?[/quote]

Bowman may have been referring to not having to trade in order to present qualifying offers to Niemi, Ladd, and Hjalmarsson. Those offers had to be extended by this past monday and totaled approximately 3.2 million, just under the cap at that time.



Today teams get some relief with the upper cap limit extended by 10 % as clubs get their roster settled. For the Hawks "settled" means Hjarlmarsson and Niemi signed.



As for Ladd, don't expect to see him in a Hawk uniform next year. Cap Geek updated their numbers today and it reflects a 4 million bonus carryover from last season.



http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11

 

[BigPete]

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[quote name="bierboy"]

Well said...they ALL played a role and will forever be remembered by us.



BTW, Ron, you should check the spelling on Blackhawks in your sig... :mrgreen:[/quote]

Remembered and appreciated yes. Missed, no. I just don't see why you can't be glad to see a guy go. Its like some of you think I'm a bad person because I couldn't wait for him to move on.

 

[Guest]

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[quote name="BigPete"]

Remembered and appreciated yes. Missed, no. I just don't see why you can't be glad to see a guy go. Its like some of you think I'm a bad person because I couldn't wait for him to move on.[/quote]



It was the way you phrased it that most have a problem with. Just saying. Had you said what Pez said, no one would have had a problem. Instead you called him "fucksteeg" and made him out to sound like the worst player ever, which he wasn't.