Versteeg/Sweatt to TORONTO For Stalberg/DiDomenico/Paradis

[Cornflake]

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I'm curious actually almost more than anything whether or not Sweatt actually gets to start with this team. Would love to see him start with the Marlies. From what I remember they were horrible last year.

 

[Guest]

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[quote name="Cornflake"]Alberta guy RK...but much rather him in Toronto than closer to home lol[/quote]



Sorry I just see Canada as one close place to Toronto. HAHA!

 

[JOVE23]

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[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]

He's from Lethbridge right? I believe it would be a couple hours further, his pay checks will be Canadian dollars though.[/quote]



Moose pelts?

 

[Guest]

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[quote name="Cornflake"]I'm curious actually almost more than anything whether or not Sweatt actually gets to start with this team. Would love to see him start with the Marlies. From what I remember they were horrible last year.[/quote]



He wants a chance to play in the NHL. That's why they decided not to stay with the Hawks where there was far too much depth ahead of him. My guess he'll do everything he can to make the show. I have never been anything less than impressed when I saw him on the ice. He reminded me of Tony Salmelanian except Sweatt actually has HANDS!



He could have been the fastest prospect and or Hawk we have in the entire system. He FLIES!

 

[BigPete]

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[quote name="Cornflake"]To be honest...i'd rather focus on the movement of Versteeg than your little issue on here. What did you expect, sitting moaning about a player after we just won the cup? I don't post that often, so you can't call me one of RK's guys, never met anybody on this site....i live in Winnipeg dammit! lol



Sorry Pete, i couldn't find any vertseeg turnover videos. For some reason youtube videos focus on versteeg at the stanley cup parade, game winning stanley cup playoff videos, sweet dangle goals, or fights he dominates. Guess that's the focus for most people when it comes to him. Oh yeah, and leaf nation is already all over the youtube clips lol[/quote]

So you choose to ignore the turnovers? That's your prerogative. I have a huge problem with it. If he was so great, Scotty would have lobbied for him to stay.

 

[Guest]

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[quote name="BigPete"]

So you choose to ignore the turnovers? That's your prerogative. I have a huge problem with it. If he was so great, Scotty would have lobbied for him to stay.[/quote]



I agree with Pete somewhat here. Although I won't slam the shit out of Versteeg. He does turn the puck over trying to dangle and be "spectacular" instead of often making the play and that leads to him being a Puck Hog on occasion. BUT he IMPRESSED the Shit out of me many times with just CRAZY moves this year. And was KEY in the playoffs several times.



He was a great steal by Tallon and just got us three prospects in return. Boechenski = Versteeg= Three more prospects.

 

[BigPete]

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[quote name="R K"]



I don't give a shit where you are Pete. If you haven't figured that out by now I can't help. I don't care either way.[/quote]

Really? And that's why you got involved? Oh wait the other mods are just MIA or in the crapper or something. Sure.

 

[Guest]

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[quote name="BigPete"]

Really? And that's why you got involved? Oh wait the other mods are just MIA or in the crapper or something. Sure.[/quote]





Look below you see any of them? Had BHP saw that he might have banned you. Again I got involved because you told him to **** Off. If you don't like it leave. It's that easy.



Now drop it and stop ruining this thread!

 

[Cornflake]

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Yes, I'm willing to look over the turovers. If you are apart of a team that wins you the cup, then you earn that right in my opinion. Loads of offensive players are apt to turning the puck over, I don't understand why you are so hell bend on versteeg being that bad. No team has a top 6 full of Toews' and Hossa's. Heck, if you want to be that critical, then you should talk about Kane. He makes bonehead plays from time to time....but like Versteeg his offensive outweigh his defense. And, with experience that will get better.



Teaching defense to a player is much easier than teaching offense to a defensive player. Most coaches would actually take a skilled young player than a defensively sound forward with little offensive skill at 3 million/season.



If you think the hawks would have been better with someone like Ryan Clowe for example, I think you are mistaken.

 

[BigPete]

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[quote name="R K"]



I agree with Pete somewhat here. Although I won't slam the shit out of Versteeg. He does turn the puck over trying to dangle and be "spectacular" instead of often making the play and that leads to him being a Puck Hog on occasion. BUT he IMPRESSED the Shit out of me many times with just CRAZY moves this year. And was KEY in the playoffs several times.



He was a great steal by Tallon and just got us three prospects in return. Boechenski = Versteeg= Three more prospects.[/quote]

Well again, I just can't overlook the bad with him. That's on me. He is a good defender, I'll give him that much.

 

[Guest]

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Sorry Gents, had a mens league game and heard about the trade in the locker room after the game.



My .02 cents:



I liked Versteeg, but I remember watching Stalberg play a bit in the preseason and he was quite impressive, surprised Burke didn't keep him in the lineup instead of sending him to the AHL. I like this pick up.



DiDomenico stats are unimpressive considering he played in the offensive power house of the QMJHL. I'll wait to see him at prospects camp for a final judgement.



Paradis was a "reach" according to some by the Hurricanes when he was drafted. Many had him as a project type prospect in the 2nd-3rd round. He also didn't put up decent numbers in juniors, but he did have 2 assists in 4 games for the Marlies at the end of the season. Again, I'll reserve judgement after prospect camp.

 

[roshinaya]

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Inevitable that Steeger got traded. Don't know much about the return, but adding prospects is always a good thing for the future. Although DiDomenico has a broken femur and will probably rehabbing it for some time. Paradis is Carolinas first rounder from last year so Hawks are stacking up on first rounders. I do hope that at least some of these pan out.

Stålberg has a chance to get a spot on the big team, hopefully he will start producing when surrounded by winners instead of the losers.

Good luck to Steeger, he was clearly the best player in the deal and will probably be the best player ever (after Kessel) once the Laff fans see him.

 

[Pez68]

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[quote name="whalerhawk"]Count me in the "glad it was Steeger and not Sharp or Ladd or whomever" camp. Never was a fan. Very creative player, great hands, but mediocre hockey sense.



Again, I'm surprised by what we got in return. This Stalberg kid alone sounds like a perfect fit for us. Good size, great skater, $850K in salary. Can you ask for more?



I'm very impressed by what the front office did here. They got rid of $12 million in salary (assuming they dump Huet to Rockford) and got legit value in return with prospects (Stalberg & Morin especially and potentially DiDomenico) that could reap benefits down the road, not to mention the draft picks they got as well.



I tell you, if someone throws a crazy offer sheet at Niemi and we take the compensation and decide to chase Dan Ellis or Chris Mason for $2 million less in annual salary, I won't shed a tear at that either.



I'm excited. If Kyle Beach is as good as advertised and Stalberg continues to develop, I don't see why we cannot make a strong defense of the cup next year.



I was a cynic, you can now call me a convert.[/quote]



Bingo.

 

[Pez68]

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Teaching defense to a player is much easier than teaching offense to a defensive player. Most coaches would actually take a skilled young player than a defensively sound forward with little offensive skill at 3 million/season.

Eh, I don't know about that. Hockey sense is very, very underrated around these parts. I don't think Versteeg has much hockey sense. He plays like a roller hockey player out on the ice most of the time. I mean, look at the difference in Kane's game from 2008-2009 to 2009-2010. Night and day. Versteeg really didn't seem to "get it" and really didn't show any progress to me, as far as being smarter with the puck. He was still making the same stupid plays in the playoffs, that he was making in the beginning of 2008.



Now, take a player like Hjalmarsson, on the opposite side of the spectrum. MOST of his success out on the ice has to do with GREAT HOCKEY SENSE. He isn't the best skater, he doesn't have the best hands, or the most skills back there, but he is SOLID, night in and night out. Why? Because he already knows the game better than a lot of guys that have been in the league 10 years.... What he lacks in skills and talent, he makes up for in pure smarts out on the ice. He anticipates the play, he knows where to be and when, and his judgement is outstanding.



Hockey sense is something that is really difficult to teach to a lot of players.

 

[Guest]

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I agree with Pez on you need hockey sense, but I think defense is easier to teach as its all about positioning. If you can get a player to stay in position you won't have to worry about him in a defensive situation, problem is most offensive guys don't want to learn defense and that's what hurts them in the long run.

 

[PatrickShart]

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I'm pretty thrilled with the salary dumps - Sopel, Versteeg, Byfuglien....soon to be Huet.



4 bad contracts - and yes, I'll get ready for all the people to tell me I'm wrong.



Sopel - a 2.3mil hit was way to much of a salary bump for a guy that was on an invite the year before.



Byfuglien was a RFA, a forward project that went from 675K to 3mil per for 19g and 36pts...basically after 1 full season and never posting 40pts



Versteeg was a RFA in his 2nd year that goes from 490K to 3.083mil after 1 full NHL season.



Yes, I know, they were big keys to bringing the cup, played big roles, etc....but if they were allocated better, they'd still be here. I thought DT overpaid them at the time and it was evident they'd be the ones to go.



The Stalberg kid had 9g in 40gms for 850K and look to have some skill. Hopefully they can keep Ladd, but if not, I'd like to see them try to get a "stop gap player" like a Modano for 1yr - 1mil. He can still skate and will easily get the points Versteeg got, as well as be responsible in all zones, can play center if needed.



I hope they dont break the bank to sign Niemi - or Hjarllmarsson for that matter. Yes, theyre important to keep, but they need to get away from overpaying - no need to do that anymore.

 

[the canadian dream]

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Sure but you have a roster full of guys who have perfect hockey sense you have an all star team which is going to cost you hmmmmm around 150 million a year plus. lol. Try to get under the cap with that.



For what Steeg brought on and off the ice his value was more than fair. And it will be on any other team. Who do we replace Steeg with? Another guy with mediocre hockey sense that we have to groom from the begining with again? Fun times... lets take the gamble on that one when the only reason we are is because of the stupid cap. Steeg isn't going to be replaced by another Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews. Those guys aren't out there and if they are they aren't playing at Steegs salary.



You have to fill a roster. We had a bonnified proven winning roster and I think losing that is what people are concerned about. And knowing that this club didn't have any other choice.



It will be fun to see if the new one can go as far though.





(by the way I think Steeg had above average hockey sense to be honset)

 

[Pez68]

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[quote name="TJD"]I agree with Pez on you need hockey sense, but I think defense is easier to teach as its all about positioning. If you can get a player to stay in position you won't have to worry about him in a defensive situation, problem is most offensive guys don't want to learn defense and that's what hurts them in the long run.[/quote]



Well, the issue is, anticipation out on the ice isn't really something that can be taught, and it is even more difficult to teach to someone in their mid 20s. I mean, you can teach people positioning in a lot of situations, but anyone that has played knows that positioning is all situational. You can't teach someone to anticipate where the puck is going, where the forechecker is going, what the defenseman is doing, or, most importantly, where your teammates are going to be. Players really either have that...or they don't. I think Versteeg is in the don't have category. I mean, the guy is amazing with the puck, and there is NO doubting his talent. He is extremely skilled. That said, I find myself yelling at the TV when he has the puck, more than any other player I have ever watched over the last 10 years. His decisions are simply mind-boggling at times, and he makes the wrong decision far too often for my liking.

 

[JOVE23]

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The "NHL insiders" are slobbering over us losing more players on their Twitter pages, it seems:



Bob McKenzie:

NHL salary cap is $59.4M but CHI's real cap # is $55.2M because of performance bonus overages. Looks like that $4M estimate was bang on.

AND:

Final tweets for night: Sounds like Ladd on move out of CHI. If he goes to arb, too expensive for CHI. One NHL GM predicts ATL gets him.

The Fourth Period:

Hawks now have just over $8M in cap space, with Niemi, Ladd & Hjalmarsson in need of new deals. They're not done here.

 

[PatrickShart]

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Well...they have 8mil...and havent added Huet's 5.625 ...so make that 13.625mil available