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was that sarcasm too? :shifty:

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I guess that I am partially at fault here, CCS protocol is to put sarcasm in green type, I'm just not into that.
 

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It's been confirmed. Even EHC tweeted he was actively being shopped.

Ian Rappaport said we tried trading with titans but they had 0 interest in cutler. They just making shit up too?

I didn't see that one, thought you were talking about earlier in the off season when everyone here was saying they were trying hard to trade him and the national reporters said not true.

Started a new job, my info is rusty.
 

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1. You can win WITH Cutler. You just won't win BECAUSE of Cutler. See 2010.

2. Just because a player has a bad year, it doesn't mean that every year from here on out will be the same or worse.

3. The NFL is very unpredictable. A team has gone worst to first every year for several consecutive seasons. A team has gone first to worst almost every year.

4. Coaching is almost as important as actual talent. No, coaching BRINGS OUT talent. This is especially true with younger players.

5. Just because you sign or draft an offensive player, it doesn't mean that the player is there to only help the QB.

6. Just because a coach has never won the superbowl, it doesn't mean he can't. Every coach that ever coached at 0 superbowls before he won his first one.

7. The QB is the most important position on the field. It still is not a reason to reach for one in the draft when other better players are there.

What is the point tho? Just say it.
 

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Was he playing that well before he hurt his knee?

He was playing at his peak more or less that year. Which means 3-4 games at a top 10 level, followed by 1-2 games at a bottom 1/4 level.
 

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Cutler is average, not bad. Look up the stats.

And yes, the Ravens won a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer at QB in which they went 5 consecutive games without scoring a touchdown.

You need to learn about how aggregate stats obscure the game to game fluctuations.
 

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A) Grossman is not as good as Cutler
B) The 2010 defense was not an "all time great". I am not even sure 2006 was. Very very good, yes.
C) You play with the hand you are dealt. The Bears in the Lovie era were closer on defense than they were to having a great QB.

What the **** is your point? Everything you have said about Cutler is true of 20 other QBs in the NFL.

You act like winning WITH Cutler but not BECAUSE of him is some fucking big achievement. All you are saying is that he sucks.

You are literally saying that while he won't cause wins to happen, he won't blow them either. That means he is NOT GOOD.
 

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same shit about the jay hate.

Remember when everyone slammed Jay for not playing with a sprained MCl? Saying he wasn't tough? Good god, football fans are such meatballs. Diabetic playing NFL qb through God knows how many concussions and got slammed for that packers game.

I don't even bother arguing two things when it comes to Jay. Whether or not he's tough and whether or not he's a good qb. Because I believe he's both, and I know I'm a minority

what the **** ever. You will be the first Special person on the next starting QBs jock, well before he ever plays a down. And you will be the first to denounce Cutler and tell everyone how you knew all along he wouldn't get it done.
 

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what the **** ever. You will be the first Special person on the next starting QBs jock, well before he ever plays a down. And you will be the first to denounce Cutler and tell everyone how you knew all along he wouldn't get it done.

Calm down
 

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what the **** ever. You will be the first Special person on the next starting QBs jock, well before he ever plays a down. And you will be the first to denounce Cutler and tell everyone how you knew all along he wouldn't get it done.

That's why he's known as Special person Boy. I have never seen someone so football stupid in my life.
 

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Watching despbro continue to gloat about Jay still being here as some sort of "win" is hysterical.

Not quite sure how the Bears trying to rid themselves of Jay somehow translates into a big "win" for him. Um, congrats I guess on nobody wanting to touch Cutler with a 200 foot pole and him remaining on the team purely because of his contract.. Yup, that's a huge win alright! lol.
 

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A) Grossman is not as good as Cutler
B) The 2010 defense was not an "all time great". I am not even sure 2006 was. Very very good, yes.
C) You play with the hand you are dealt. The Bears in the Lovie era were closer on defense than they were to having a great QB.

A) agree, but the upgrade really hasn't been that great...they could have used one of those 2 first round picks they gave up to upgrade in other positions and gotten the same mediocre play out of Orton and tried to get an all-time great defense to win with
B) I worded that poorly didn't mean to lump those teams in with all-time greats...but in those years, in the era of football being played they were a top 5 defense which should be good enough for most good QB's
C) and this year the Bears aren't close to having either, so saying the Bears could win with Cutler is a stretch. I'm not holding my breath for one of the worst defenses to turn around to the point of being an all time great. I like Fangio, but it is going to take more than a year for him to make this defense very good.

I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly though...you are saying that the formula to making the Super Bowl is to have one or both of a HOF/pro bowl caliber QB and/or a great/all-time great defense...So we should hold out hope that Cutler after 6 years with the Bears magically turns into that type of QB or that a defense that is being rebuilt can become great within 2 years?
 

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Sorry for turning this into a Cutler thread.
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Watching despbro continue to gloat about Jay still being here as some sort of "win" is hysterical.

Not quite sure how the Bears trying to rid themselves of Jay somehow translates into a big "win" for him. Um, congrats I guess on nobody wanting to touch Cutler with a 200 foot pole and him remaining on the team purely because of his contract.. Yup, that's a huge win alright! lol.

It's sad that that is the only thing they can be proud about with Cutler.

The thing a lot don't understand is fans like me and the other Cutler "haters" want to see Cutler do well, for the past 3-4 seasons I have hoped to be wrong and all that potential and talent we hear about year in and year out actually translates to the field. I root for him every Sunday and hope to see him have a great game. So because I don't think the Bears should keep him on the team anymore doesn't mean I don't want him to prove me wrong. It's just unfortunate he has proved me and others right.
 

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Sorry for turning this into a Cutler thread.
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Actually the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 7th items in the OP were about the QB...So really this was a Cutler thread from the get go. No need to apologize
 

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You CAN win at a casino playing against the house.

Planning on doing so is not a very prudent/wise course of action.


Saying something is-or was in this case- possible is almost meaningless without noting the actual chances of such a thing occurring. You sound like a 19 yr old telling his father he is dropping out of college because Bill Gates did and became a billionaire.

I agree completely with 2,5,6,7, but wonder what point you actually think you are making to the thinking posters on here. Everyone knows picking some 22 yr old WR or C isn't just for a guy who is most probably gone by the end of 2017. Those who can't grasp this- and unfortunately there are some on here that dumb- aren't going to be swayed by logic or persuasion. They are dumb and it won't ever change unless some sort of rDNA technology emerges for humans in our lifetime.

4 is ridiculous on it's face, and if it were true, coaches like Belichick would command 70M dollar contracts. Coaching is damn important, but personnel is much more so.
 

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Actually the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 7th items in the OP were about the QB...So really this was a Cutler thread from the get go. No need to apologize
I admit I only read point 1 before saying what I said.
 

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You CAN win at a casino playing against the house.

Planning on doing so is not a very prudent/wise course of action.


Saying something is-or was in this case- possible is almost meaningless without noting the actual chances of such a thing occurring. You sound like a 19 yr old telling his father he is dropping out of college because Bill Gates did and became a billionaire.

I agree completely with 2,5,6,7, but wonder what point you actually think you are making to the thinking posters on here. Everyone knows picking some 22 yr old WR or C isn't just for a guy who is most probably gone by the end of 2017. Those who can't grasp this- and unfortunately there are some on here that dumb- aren't going to be swayed by logic or persuasion. They are dumb and it won't ever change unless some sort of rDNA technology emerges for humans in our lifetime.

4 is ridiculous on it's face, and if it were true, coaches like Belichick would command 70M dollar contracts. Coaching is damn important, but personnel is much more so.

This is a great post. Can't give rep on my phone.
 

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i know but after 2015 i think hes gone. Pace tried his hardest to trade him and no one wanted him. His contract is alot lower after next year. Probably be cut if failed to get traded
Nope, I'm sure he'll have an above average year and be retained for 2016...just to piss off the majority of fans. I'm with despro, JAY 15!...sure as hell isn't gonna get beat out by any of the other scrubs we have on the bench so I'm gonna root him on.
 

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