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So if the Bears take a receiver at 9 instead of trading, is that giving up a ton of draft capital if they do not trade down?
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How about if the plan is to sit him for 1/2 or more of his 1st year? Joe Burrow was 2-7 with an under 90 passer rating his 1st year and he was viewed as the most pocket passer prepared for the next level in years. Would you consider that a wasted pick? I get that it's putting all your eggs in one basket and risks involved but there's also rewards if you get it right.
I mean, it's the Bear natural pick and you don't get DA Haul unless the league feels the QB value is there.
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A successful season to me would not folding like a cuck to the Green Bay Packers. He can lose 15 games this next year... but if he looks like a bitch that folds under the pressure from Green Bay... (where they make him play "quarterback") instead of elevating his team, then fuck him. (And I'm a CW fan) I'd rather go back to the Lovie Smith days of the #1 goal being to beat the fucking Packers. I'm sick of this team simp'n to GB.
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Would be nice but if they win the division, not really that big a deal to me. Playoffs > beating Packers.
As regarding the OP.
Year one, you look for traits and progression. The rest is gravy. It will be interesting in how this staff handles CW if drafted. Will they let him free wheel and find his risk/reward level in the NFL or try to keep him in system (fewer errors) and allow him more freedom later as he acclimates. I suspect they will be somewhere in between but also find a bigger do everything back to help keep Ds from teeing off etc. Signing that vet C is a big deal this spring.
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It will be a mistake drafting Caleb Williams.
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Burrows situation in Cincy is alot different than the situation CW will walk into with the bears
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And you can clearly see folks like yourself setting up excuses. You seem to feel CW should be treated as a rookie like JF was treated like a rookie. Let me ask you something. Who the fuck was JF throwing the ball to in his rookie year? Dante fucking Pettis vs DJ Mooore. Yeah thats about the same. ANd who was playing defense in JF's rookie year? A bunch of nobodies that aren't even here any longer. Who snapped the ball. Sam fucking Mustipher? CW is going to have 5 times the weapons and a real defense that JF had yet you think he shouldn't be held to a higher standard.
If CW is the pick I will root like hell for him. But I won't make excuses for him like you already are and he hasn't even been drafted yet.
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So? I expect a bit more but Burrow was also the most pro ready prospect I'd seen in a while. Every situation is different. We don't even have a C right now. All of this is us spinning our wheels before FA.
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It’s gonna be ok, man. We all want the same thing.
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While still making excuses for the other guy after 3 years. I tend to prefer to call them reasons and to distribute them more fairly. Why is it that some posters are so unaware of their own biases that they can look at the same situation from completely different perspectives depending on their fandom.
If Fields is still here I'll root for him like I always have but if it's CW, many will be watching with a jaundiced eye while being completely unaware of their affliction.
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SO...comparing Burrows rookie year to a potential CW rookie year is kinda not worth it
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Horseshit. Any true Bears fan will root for whoever is behind center. But you do have one thing correct. If Fields goes somewhere and turns into a prow bowler and CW shits the bed then yes.......look out. It will be a bloodbath in here.
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I don’t think it’s weird for both anti- & pro-Williams people to expect regular rookie QB struggles. It seems strange to call that an “excuse”.
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Perhaps comparing any other rookie to CW is kinda pointless. I've said it many times. They're all different and that goes to how they develop as well. Setting hard specs for him to reach is a fruitless proposition. If I don't like the way he's progressing I'll say so and that won't mean I'm right either. Some grow and some hit the on switch. Fields is still growing after 3 years so it's not over for him but it's been slow and after 3 years, you would assume that while he hasn't hit his ceiling, he can probably reach up and touch it by now. And that may be enough to be overall successful in the NFL for the right system. I expect him to continue to start for years.
I'm still a fan. How can you not like the guy.
So much gymnastics from you over this. I'm getting dizzy.
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gymnastics from me???
youre the one now bringing up Fields into this. all i said was comparing burrows rookie situation to CW's with the bears this coming season is pointless and you then agreed with me by saying comparing to any rookie is...yet, you did it.
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It's true that Fields was in a shit situation his first 2 years. A lot of high drafted rookie QBs expected to start day 1 are. And it's also true that he showed improvement.
The fact though is that if you feel like you can significantly upgrade the most important position in sports, you do it. And not having to give up any assets to do so. Being handed a golden ticket by the Panthers suckage last year.
Ofcourse, it's one thing to disagree with the hype around Williams. That's fine. But I don't see how anyone can disagree with the CONCEPT of drafting Williams.
The fact though is that if you feel like you can significantly upgrade the most important position in sports, you do it. And not having to give up any assets to do so. Being handed a golden ticket by the Panthers suckage last year.
Ofcourse, it's one thing to disagree with the hype around Williams. That's fine. But I don't see how anyone can disagree with the CONCEPT of drafting Williams.
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Burrow had one year of production to showcase his skills. There was plenty of risk in drafting him as a one year wonder.
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That's why I said If..
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If you are replacing a one for one basis which they would do by drafting Williams, he had better outperform Fields.
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If not for being in love with getting Watson, Mayfield may have still been there.