What was the biggest reason we lost to Miami in 2011?

[BNB]

it was a little bit of some of a few of the options...

So I vote "They just weren't ready."

Yeah, we lost the series 4-1 so it seems like Miami was just a much better team... but we SHOULD have won that last game. That was just a HUGE collapse by the Bulls with the missed shots and defensive assignments.. The Heat also hit some tough shots that they would usually miss... and there WERE some bullshit calls there at the end. I usually don't like blaming the refs, but the last few minutes of that game was just ridiculous.

Of the other 3 games the Bulls lost, the Bulls were in every single one of them. In the first loss, it was a 3 point game with just over 2 minutes to go. In the second loss, it was a 3 point game early in the 4th, and in the 3rd loss we went into OT because of 2 terrible play calls. So we could have easily won a couple of those games even with the same exact roster if the Bulls executed a little better.

Boozer and Noah missing a lot of time throught the season didn't help us at all because it didn't look like they were comfortable playing together.

I also think we would have had a better chance to win some of those games if we played Kurt thomas a little more.

 

[Glide2keva]

Come on. Even if Houf WAS a LeBron fan, wouldn't make him a Heat fan necessarily. Calling out someone's fanhood is not cool unless he straight up said something to the affect of '**** it, I'm rooting for the other team.'

And the Heat weren't the flat out better team but they were undeniably a better team than the Bulls. Way, way, way better offense. The spacing was better than the Bulls. They passed the ball better and turned over the ball less often. The Bulls had slightly better defense and slightly better rebounding. But the Heat had the best two players on the court and won the series in five games.

Heat>Bulls

LeBron>Rose

Wade>Rose

Am I a Heat fan too? Am I now a LeBron fan?

Do you actively cheerlead for lebron the way he does? No. You state your opinion and leave it at that. He goes beyond that and if you don't see it, then I don't know what to say.

Take the MVP "debate", he was all on lebronze's nuts telling us how great he is and why he deserves the MVP over Rose. He never once made a case for Rose. He also acts like his opinion is gospel, so whatever we have to say is irrelevant in such matters. I mean he started a thread telling us to face facts and went on to give his opinions on the MVP, as if his opinion is fact.

 

[Glide2keva]

And the Bulls were not a better team than Detroit in 1990. Granted that Detroit had the home-court advantage but the Bulls froze up and could not execute when it mattered most. Pippen especially.

I think they were the better team. That's my opinion. Just because they froze up and Pippen had a migraine does not mean they weren't better. It just means they weren't ready. Pippen doesn't get the migraine, they win the series.

 

[Glide2keva]

it was a little bit of some of a few of the options...

So I vote "They just weren't ready."

Yeah, we lost the series 4-1 so it seems like Miami was just a much better team... but we SHOULD have won that last game. That was just a HUGE collapse by the Bulls with the missed shots and defensive assignments.. The Heat also hit some tough shots that they would usually miss... and there WERE some bullshit calls there at the end. I usually don't like blaming the refs, but the last few minutes of that game was just ridiculous.

Of the other 3 games the Bulls lost, the Bulls were in every single one of them. In the first loss, it was a 3 point game with just over 2 minutes to go. In the second loss, it was a 3 point game early in the 4th, and in the 3rd loss we went into OT because of 2 terrible play calls. So we could have easily won a couple of those games even with the same exact roster if the Bulls executed a little better.

Boozer and Noah missing a lot of time throught the season didn't help us at all because it didn't look like they were comfortable playing together.

I also think we would have had a better chance to win some of those games if we played Kurt thomas a little more.

Thank you!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Do you actively cheerlead for lebron the way he does? No. You state your opinion and leave it at that. He goes beyond that and if you don't see it, then I don't know what to say.

Take the MVP "debate", he was all on lebronze's nuts telling us how great he is and why he deserves the MVP over Rose. He never once made a case for Rose. He also acts like his opinion is gospel, so whatever we have to say is irrelevant in such matters. I mean he started a thread telling us to face facts and went on to give his opinions on the MVP, as if his opinion is fact.

I have not seen him cheerlead for LeBron and, if he does, he would be Special person to do it here. What he has done is point at the things LeBron and Rondo have done to let you know he thinks they are better than you give them credit for.

Before the end of the season, Houf actually did back off his LeBron stance as the season went on and LeBron flopped at the Heat lost close games while Rose was winning close games for the Bulls.

Houf used to be much worse in regard to acting like his opinions are gospel. I remember getting pissed at him quite often but I think he has backed off from that a bit.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

it was a little bit of some of a few of the options...

So I vote "They just weren't ready."

Yeah, we lost the series 4-1 so it seems like Miami was just a much better team... but we SHOULD have won that last game. That was just a HUGE collapse by the Bulls with the missed shots and defensive assignments.. The Heat also hit some tough shots that they would usually miss... and there WERE some bullshit calls there at the end. I usually don't like blaming the refs, but the last few minutes of that game was just ridiculous.

Of the other 3 games the Bulls lost, the Bulls were in every single one of them. In the first loss, it was a 3 point game with just over 2 minutes to go. In the second loss, it was a 3 point game early in the 4th, and in the 3rd loss we went into OT because of 2 terrible play calls. So we could have easily won a couple of those games even with the same exact roster if the Bulls executed a little better.

Boozer and Noah missing a lot of time throught the season didn't help us at all because it didn't look like they were comfortable playing together.

I also think we would have had a better chance to win some of those games if we played Kurt thomas a little more.

How can the Heat not be called the best team? Sure, the Bulls weren't ready. Boozer, Noah, Brewer, Asik, and Rose all had injuries. But that helps Miami's case even more as being better.

Miami was raining three's in the Bulls' faces. And, when it really mattered, their defense completely shut the Bulls' offense down.

 

[Glide2keva]

I have not seen him cheerlead for LeBron and, if he does, he would be Special person to do it here. What he has done is point at the things LeBron and Rondo have done to let you know he thinks they are better than you give them credit for.

Before the end of the season, Houf actually did back off his LeBron stance as the season went on and LeBron flopped at the Heat lost close games while Rose was winning close games for the Bulls.

Houf used to be much worse in regard to acting like his opinions are gospel. I remember getting pissed at him quite often but I think he has backed off from that a bit.

I haven't seen it, he's still the same pompous ****** bag he always was. Rondo deserves no credit from me. He's a scrub.

lebron to me isn't as great as his numbers would suggest.

That's my opinion of those two players.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I haven't seen it, he's still the same pompous ****** bag he always was. Rondo deserves no credit from me. He's a scrub.

lebron to me isn't as great as his numbers would suggest.

That's my opinion of those two players.

Rondo is far from a scrub. Who, besides Rose, could you say was better as a PG than Rondo in the East before D-Will came to the Nets?

LeBron is pretty damn great. The Pts-Rebs-Asts aren't the only thing that makes him great either. He is also one of the best defensive players in the league. The guy is probably a top 1-5 athlete in the history of the NBA and plays like a PG as a man of Karl Malone's dimensions. If Hakeem Olajuwon somehow teaches this guy how to play in the post, he has the ability to reach heights that only Jordan has.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And "not being ready" is a knock on the Bulls- not an excuse. That Heat series was important and they showed they were incapable of beating them when it counted most last season.

Were the Pistons not the 2-time NBA champions in '89 and '90? The Bulls had Jordan and still weren't a better team than them.

 

[97Bulls]

And the Bulls were not a better team than Detroit in 1990. Granted that Detroit had the home-court advantage but the Bulls froze up and could not execute when it mattered most. Pippen especially.

I think once again there is a fundamental difference of opinion. This stems from whether the 11 bulls were better talentwise than the 11 heat. I guess you can say the heat were the better team cuz they won. But I attribute that to the bulls lack of experience in the playoffs. Especially deep in the playoffs. Just like the bulls/pistons series. The difference from 91 and the rest of years before was that you had a young bulls team trying find their way vs a veteran battle tested piston team. Its not as if the bulls aquired any players that put them over the top. Its just that the core players who were already talented, matured and grew confidence. And once that happend, there was no stopping them.

I see the same thing happening with this bulls team. As their confidence grows, and they continue to learn what it takes to win, they will be able to beat miami. It'll happen a lot sooner with an upgrade at SG, but like rose says, its not needed.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I think once again there is a fundamental difference of opinion. This stems from whether the 11 bulls were better talentwise than the 11 heat. I guess you can say the heat were the better team cuz they won. But I attribute that to the bulls lack of experience in the playoffs. Especially deep in the playoffs. Just like the bulls/pistons series. The difference from 91 and the rest of years before was that you had a young bulls team trying find their way vs a veteran battle tested piston team. Its not as if the bulls aquired any players that put them over the top. Its just that the core players who were already talented, matured and grew confidence. And once that happend, there was no stopping them.

I see the same thing happening with this bulls team. As their confidence grows, and they continue to learn what it takes to win, they will be able to beat miami. It'll happen a lot sooner with an upgrade at SG, but like rose says, its not needed.

An upgrade at SG would have no guarantee that Chicago would beat Miami. Miami is going to improve as a team next season, too. They had 3 new players in the Bulls' series who weren't there the year before (James, Bosh, Miller) while the Bulls also had 7 new players (Boozer, Asik, Watson, Korver, Brewer). And at least 3 of the Bulls' guys don't even play a very big role.

The Bulls are in all likelihood going to get abused by the Heat for the next several seasons until one of the big three suffers a major injury. That is the Bulls' best hope. Miami has a LOT more talent, better passing, better spacing, and were nowhere near together as much as they could be from a chemistry stand-point.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Bulls core is Rose-Boozer-Noah-Deng-Gibson. The Heat have a much better core group of players in James-Wade-Bosh. It doesn't remind me at all of what the Bulls went through against a refined and disciplined Pistons' team.

This Bulls team's potential <<<<<< that of the Miami Heat's potential.

This current Bulls team << the current Heat team as it is already.

1991-93 Bulls >> the Pistons > The pre-1991 Bulls (somewhat) = the current Heat team

 

[clonetrooper264]

An upgrade at SG would have no guarantee that Chicago would beat Miami. Miami is going to improve as a team next season, too. They had 3 new players in the Bulls' series who weren't there the year before (James, Bosh, Miller) while the Bulls also had 7 new players (Boozer, Asik, Watson, Korver, Brewer). And at least 3 of the Bulls' guys don't even play a very big role.

The Bulls are in all likelihood going to get abused by the Heat for the next several seasons until one of the big three suffers a major injury. That is the Bulls' best hope. Miami has a LOT more talent, better passing, better spacing, and were nowhere near together as much as they could be from a chemistry stand-point.

Saying that we'll get abused as the best outcome is a little pessimistic don't you think? We already had at least as good if not better chemistry than they did and that's with 7 players who never even played together before (well minus the Jazz guys I guess). Wade, James, and Bosh played together on All Star teams, Olympics, FIBA, and other such types of teams plus have been friends (at least Wade and Lebron) since they got drafted. Yeah they're more talented than us. They have the best talent in the league. This is a fact and surprises no one. It's what they joined together for. This is why getting that other playmaker/scorer is so important. Rose can't do it by himself going against a team like that with 3 dominant guys and a defense completely focused on him.

I'm not saying we'll definitely beat them even with the extra scorer, but I'm sure we'd do a lot better than getting abused.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Saying that we'll get abused as the best outcome is a little pessimistic don't you think? We already had at least as good if not better chemistry than they did and that's with 7 players who never even played together before (well minus the Jazz guys I guess). Wade, James, and Bosh played together on All Star teams, Olympics, FIBA, and other such types of teams plus have been friends (at least Wade and Lebron) since they got drafted. Yeah they're more talented than us. They have the best talent in the league. This is a fact and surprises no one. It's what they joined together for. This is why getting that other playmaker/scorer is so important. Rose can't do it by himself going against a team like that with 3 dominant guys and a defense completely focused on him.

I'm not saying we'll definitely beat them even with the extra scorer, but I'm sure we'd do a lot better than getting abused.

I didn't say getting abused by them every year is the best case scenario. I said that the chances are that the Bulls will lose to them every season for the next few years - that's what I meant.

The Olympics doesn't last very long and neither do all-star games. And the international game and coaching is VERY different than that of the NBA.

Wade, James, and Bosh are far from the perfect complements of one another. And they have relatively bad coaching. But... if they can get a refined system, and Wade and James can learn to play off each other much like Jordan and Pippen learned to, it's probably gut check time for the rest of the league.

Hell, imagine how much better Miami would have been just if James had a post game.

They nearly swept Dallas as it was.

 

[Glide2keva]

I think once again there is a fundamental difference of opinion. This stems from whether the 11 bulls were better talentwise than the 11 heat. I guess you can say the heat were the better team cuz they won. But I attribute that to the bulls lack of experience in the playoffs. Especially deep in the playoffs. Just like the bulls/pistons series. The difference from 91 and the rest of years before was that you had a young bulls team trying find their way vs a veteran battle tested piston team. Its not as if the bulls aquired any players that put them over the top. Its just that the core players who were already talented, matured and grew confidence. And once that happend, there was no stopping them.

I see the same thing happening with this bulls team. As their confidence grows, and they continue to learn what it takes to win, they will be able to beat miami. It'll happen a lot sooner with an upgrade at SG, but like rose says, its not needed.

Someone that gets it.

 

[Glide2keva]

Saying that we'll get abused as the best outcome is a little pessimistic don't you think? We already had at least as good if not better chemistry than they did and that's with 7 players who never even played together before (well minus the Jazz guys I guess). Wade, James, and Bosh played together on All Star teams, Olympics, FIBA, and other such types of teams plus have been friends (at least Wade and Lebron) since they got drafted. Yeah they're more talented than us. They have the best talent in the league. This is a fact and surprises no one. It's what they joined together for. This is why getting that other playmaker/scorer is so important. Rose can't do it by himself going against a team like that with 3 dominant guys and a defense completely focused on him.

I'm not saying we'll definitely beat them even with the extra scorer, but I'm sure we'd do a lot better than getting abused.

So we should all stop rooting for the Bulls, seeing as they will do nothing but get abused by the mighty Miami Heat.

I mean, what's the point if Miami is going to abuse our team every year, we might as well jump on the bandwagon like Hou.

 

[Glide2keva]

I didn't say getting abused by them every year is the best case scenario. I said that the chances are that the Bulls will lose to them every season for the next few years - that's what I meant.

The Olympics doesn't last very long and neither do all-star games. And the international game and coaching is VERY different than that of the NBA.

Wade, James, and Bosh are far from the perfect complements of one another. And they have relatively bad coaching. But... if they can get a refined system, and Wade and James can learn to play off each other much like Jordan and Pippen learned to, it's probably gut check time for the rest of the league.

Hell, imagine how much better Miami would have been just if James had a post game.

They nearly swept Dallas as it was.

Sounds like you're trying to see if there is room on the bandwagon.

 

[97Bulls]

Sounds like you're trying to see if there is room on the bandwagon.

I was about to say the same thing. He needs to take that attitude to miami. The saddest part is that as a bulls fan, he seeing things from the heats perspective. Saying things like the heats chemistry will get better? But I guess the bulls maxed out. Or the heat have more talent than the bulls? Come on. This is a bulls fan?

 

[97Bulls]

I didn't say getting abused by them every year is the best case scenario. I said that the chances are that the Bulls will lose to them every season for the next few years - that's what I meant.

The Olympics doesn't last very long and neither do all-star games. And the international game and coaching is VERY different than that of the NBA.

Wade, James, and Bosh are far from the perfect complements of one another. And they have relatively bad coaching. But... if they can get a refined system, and Wade and James can learn to play off each other much like Jordan and Pippen learned to, it's probably gut check time for the rest of the league.

Hell, imagine how much better Miami would have been just if James had a post game.

They nearly swept Dallas as it was.

Lol they nearly swept dallas? The bulls/heat games were closer.

And why will they be abused or lose to the heat in the comming few years? The bulls can't improve? You don't think noah, rose, and deng will learn and get better?

I just don't see it from the heat. Especially past this comming season. I don't see how they have morre talent than the bulls either. Any way you break it down the bulls have more depth, better coaching, better shooters, better rebounders. And tthe bulls core is extremely young. Wades about to be on the wrong side of 30, james hasn't improved much since he came into the league.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

NBA Finals:
The Heat won game 1.
An epic collapse and they lost Game 2.
The Heat won Game 3.
And they were a blown call away from winning Game 4.

It could have been a sweep.

And I never said it was impossible that the Bulls would beat Miami. I just do not think it is very likely.

The Heat WILL get better. So will the Bulls. This is a VERY different scenario than CHI-vs-DET in the early 90's. MIA will get much better before they get worse barring injuries.

To say that I, or Houf, are not Bulls fans because we aren't seeing things through a homers' looking glass completely is false.

I am a Bulls' fan.

Houf is a Bulls' fan.

Deal with it.