When Do You Start Looking At The Coaching Staff?

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Everytime I see that WGN commercial where McD is talking about growing up and playing baseball for 10 hours a day and he finishes it with "I may have looked different, but people could tell it was me because I was holding the Stanley Cup"... I go fucking bananas.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Yes -well it does sort of sound like channeling the ghost of Joe McGrath:

Holding Fashion Shows and Radio-a-Thons...

 

[bbaker]

Hawks are still in the playoffs as of right now. If they were to fall out of the West Top 8, that's when you start looking at the coaching staff imo.

 

[Captain Iago]

At Iago's last one:

Oh I know that ... my point was that he screwed up by allowing a Stanley Cup - I mean McD had a perfectly good set of curses on hand to market the team as some sort of snake bitten heritage that you, the fan just have to be there when they over come that ....

but, if you overcome it - then you lose those marketting gimmics... unless you develop another one (meaning he made it more difficult on himself).

-but now that you mention it - if someone were to get Foley a set of television set sized lenses for some glasses he has to wear, and starts miss-calling goals when pucks are shot into the crowd - I think it just might work...

I think you are onto something... how McD can market his team in a post-championship environment to resume a mantle of lovable perpetually cursed losers.

So when is Tyler Arnason Heritage night?

Haha, I gotcha.

Are you coming back to the States to visit for TA Night? :/

 

[Captain Iago]

Maybe in the papers?

On the TV and online, I remember it was always Q that got all the accolades. :shrug:

Quenneville's line shuffle rescues Blackhawks, could lead to Cup - Puck Daddy - NHL

That's right - it was Bowman who was deflecting the credit for the line juggling claiming it was all Q.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Haha, I gotcha.

Are you coming back to the States to visit for TA Night? :/

:lol: ... um well, you know I sort of have to pick my spots.... if they would combine it with a Brian Sutter night and have 3 rounds of boxing it might be worth it. :thinking:

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Forget Quenneville; GM Stan Bowman just gave Blackhawks goalies a vote of confidence | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports

Despite the rising goals-against average, Bowman says bringing someone to replace Corey Crawford and Ray Emery is not a priority.

"We're not focused on goaltending. We're really not," Bowman said. "I know there's a lot of talk about that, but internally, we have to focus on the guys we have, and turning it around from within."




So Q is safe and they're going to go with these two goalies this year. Sounds like Stan is just trying to take some of the pressure off the players and coaches and put it square on his shoulders. Fair enough, but he's got more work to do than that.

All I hope is that someone in the organization (players included) can figure this mess out and that Stan can get the guys he needs at the deadline. It should be easier without the hassle of trying to wrangle a goalie in addition to the other help needed.

 

[DewsSox79]

Forget Quenneville; GM Stan Bowman just gave Blackhawks goalies a vote of confidence | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports

Despite the rising goals-against average, Bowman says bringing someone to replace Corey Crawford and Ray Emery is not a priority.

"We're not focused on goaltending. We're really not," Bowman said. "I know there's a lot of talk about that, but internally, we have to focus on the guys we have, and turning it around from within."




So Q is safe and they're going to go with these two goalies this year. Sounds like Stan is just trying to take some of the pressure off the players and coaches and put it square on his shoulders. Fair enough, but he's got more work to do than that.

All I hope is that someone in the organization (players included) can figure this mess out and that Stan can get the guys he needs at the deadline. It should be easier without the hassle of trying to wrangle a goalie in addition to the other help needed.

for one he isnt going to come out and say we need this and that, but at the same time he needs to state that there are some issues (generic PR response) and state that they will continue to do what is right for the franchise. In other words...........he better have a good fucking deadline.

 

[DewsSox79]

also I have said before, stan has done nothing but bring in these "grindy" guys who have done jack shit. montador,odonnell, carcillo, brunette, frolik, etc.......thats some bad shit.

Hypothetically say they lose the next 2 games, how the **** can they continue on with out shaking up the team as far as a player like a bolland (love him to death) and or a coach. how do you explain that to the fans? expectations guys!

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

for one he isnt going to come out and say we need this and that, but at the same time he needs to state that there are some issues (generic PR response) and state that they will continue to do what is right for the franchise. In other words...........he better have a good fucking deadline.

Shit, he has multiple times... he was one of the first GMs to really makes his needs very vocal and very clear in January.

Didn't seem like the smartest plan of attack to me, but pretty much every contender wants a top 6 and a dependable d-man or two so how much did he really give away.

 

[Diehardfan]

Does anyone actually think that there is a trade or signing out there that can turn this team? I dont see it. I dont remember who like or disliked the Hawks off season moves but I know I didnt like them. Not that Im a hockey genius by any stretch....I believed Crawford to be the equal of Niemi and loved the Frolik trade(duh). But adding 4 or 5 aged, slow and virtually skilless players has really made for a bad mix.....chemistry, if you will. The players they lost the last couple of years were guys who fit in well with the system...they were replaced by players that didnt fit. Was Campbell, Eager and Brouwer that much better than the guys who replaced them? Maybe, but its more like the old square peg in a round hole than anything else. The GM has put the coach in a tough spot. Q's style is speed-puck control....hardly the strong suit of any of the additions Bowman made last summer.

Most experts wanted them to be a more physical team but in reality this team is anything but physical. Adding a few guys to the mix that were supposed to be physical was not the way to go, especially when these guys are physical in rep only. What made things even worse was that the additions were slow to get where they needed to be, bad passers and were constantly out of position forcing other players to try and cover for them...pulling them out of position. Toss in a lot of questionable goaltending and what you have is just a big mess. Even when they were scoring a lot and winning some games, you'd have to have blinders on not to see that they were nowhere near where they were a couple of seasons ago....hell, even last season they were better.

Barry Rosner thinks they are rebuilding on the fly. Maybe he's right, maybe they brought all these stiffs in to buy them some time. I guess we'll find out eventually but boy....its sure ugly as hell now.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

No I don't think any deadline deals will suddenly make this team hard to play against.

But when the coach is backing the players and more importantly - the gm is backing the coach... you have to do SOMETHING.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Whoa.

Couldn't disagree more on both counts.

Fine, then blame the FO. The first half of the season was a fluke until last month, they weren't very good to begin with.

I really don't give a flying **** who is to blame...just fix the shit.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Really don't understand peoples love affair with Bolland.

The man isn't that good.

 

[DMelt36]

Really don't understand peoples love affair with Bolland.

The man isn't that good.

Explain. I'm interested.

 

[DMelt36]

No I don't think any deadline deals will suddenly make this team hard to play against.

But when the coach is backing the players and more importantly - the gm is backing the coach... you have to do SOMETHING.

I don't know ... one trade could be the shake-up that wakes up the rest of the team, turning them into a much better team than they've displayed in the last 8 games.

They may not be a hard team to play against at all this year, because I think that implies a very physical style, and that's something I don't ever see the Blackhawks becoming.

But they CAN be a hard team to beat. If that means the Hawks score 3-4 goals a game and make teams outscore them, so be it. It'd be better than what they're doing now.

While I've resigned to panic mode, I will say that the last time I left the Blackhawks for dead, they won 3 in a row and forced a game 7 against Vancouver. Much different circumstances now, I know. But that's what I've told myself to allow myself a tiny glimmer of hope.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

By hard to play against, I mean good defensively and hard working.

They are currently neither.

I'm not wanting them to be bruisers. They just need to compete.

 

[DewsSox79]

I love bolland, but the more I think of it he is really the only asset the hawks have that can be moved without taking a huge hit to our strengths.

If bowman was smart he would move stalberg with the numbers/age/and low cap hit, he could be used in a deal and would not be missed

 

[DMelt36]

I love bolland, but the more I think of it he is really the only asset the hawks have that can be moved without taking a huge hit to our strengths.

If bowman was smart he would move stalberg with the numbers/age/and low cap hit, he could be used in a deal and would not be missed

Again, you want to trade a center on a team with no center depth. Why? You want to trade the best defensive forward on a team that can't play defense?

Without Bolland, who would you have shutting down the other teams top forwards?

Trading Bolland would be subtraction by addition.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Again, you want to trade a center on a team with no center depth. Why? You want to trade the best defensive forward on a team that can't play defense?

Without Bolland, who would you have shutting down the other teams top forwards?

Trading Bolland would be subtraction by addition.

The totally hypothetical "trade idea" that Hawkwriter initially posted indicated that Kruger would become center shutting down other teams top lines and that the trade would potentially bring in a legitimate 2 Center. The rationale being that Kruger and Bolland currently occupy the same roster spot- a defensive center. There is overlap right now.

It makes sense to me assuming you could find a deal.

My goofy idea was Bolland for Hodgson. Vancouver gets a veteran playoff performer that can play dirty (pretty much exactly what they need) and the Hawks get a young, promising offensive center to center the 2nd line between Hossa and Kane potentially.

Nobody is saying dump Bolland to dump Bolland. It's just that he's a potentially very valuable piece to a contending team and he can be viewed as somewhat replaceable within the Hawks lineup due to Kruger s emergence.