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[DBQHawkFan]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Have you ever thought about the flip side of this Hossa contract? i.e. the possible benefits if this contract was scrapped by the league. Assuming the Stanley Cup is still ours and they just void Hossa's contract, would you want to give him a similar deal like that again? Really, think about it. I had a good discussion with some friends today at lunch. They pointed out the benefits if this deal is scrapped - i.e. we get out from under a contract with 11 years remaining on it, we instantly get around $5.6M per year in additional cap room, and the best part is that we already won the cup so do we really still need him now. I hadn't thought of it that way before and always thought Hossa was an untouchable - but if you really think about it, it may not be that bad if somehow his deal was terminated by the league.[/quote]



And replace him with who? With his skills and at the favorable $5.275 cap hit? No one.....That is who. I, as a fan, want the team to challenge for the Cup and make deep playoff runs year after year. I don't want to slip back to where we came from just because we won the Cup once.

 

[Pez68]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="LordKOTL"]Chalk it up to a mancrush, but I'd love it if Hossa plays out the rest of his years in the Indianhead.



So, no, I'd be upset if it was voided...especially since whatever curse he may have is voided by the Indianhead.[/quote]



100% agreed. The guy is also a STEAL at his current cap hit. No thanks.

 

[DBQHawkFan]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="puckjim"]



You have some pretty dumb friends. Hossa's contract is a cap friendly as you can get. A world-class player such as Hossa for 5.6 million? Why the **** would the Hawks want to be oot from under that? I guess your lunch friends can't figure out that the deal is designed to let Hossa walk away at age 38 or so when the yearly payoots are smaller.



Losing Hossa would be a crippling blow with ZERO upside.[/quote]





:clap: I agree totally! I guess some fans (call them what you will) don't see things the same way.

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="DBQHawkFan"]





:clap: I agree totally! I guess some fans (call them what you will) don't see things the same way.[/quote]





They are called "Bandwagon Fans".



Read above.

 

[sth]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/20 ... stars.html



An unnamed NHL agent tells the Toronto Sun he is certain that no other deals will be voided. Take it for what its worth.

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="sth"]http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/agent-nhl-wont-void-deals-for-hossa-other-stars.html



An unnamed NHL agent tells the Toronto Sun he is certain that no other deals will be voided. Take it for what its worth.[/quote]



Of course they won't be. The NHL would be shooting themselves in the foot. Most certainly heading down the work stoppage path. That would be the final dagger for the league. Buttmans a fool already for pushing it this far instead of just waiting for the current CBA to come up.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="puckjim"]

You have some pretty dumb friends. Hossa's contract is a cap friendly as you can get. A world-class player such as Hossa for 5.6 million? Why the **** would the Hawks want to be oot from under that? I guess your lunch friends can't figure out that the deal is designed to let Hossa walk away at age 38 or so when the yearly payoots are smaller.



Losing Hossa would be a crippling blow with ZERO upside.[/quote]



The point they kept making to me and which I didn't really have a good answer for is "you're done, you won the cup, who cares if you lose him now, you need the cap space for injuries and filling the roster". Of course I mentioned the whole repeat thing that I want to see happen but they didn't feel that was going to happen with half a team of low paid role players and young kids no one's ever heard of around the minimum salary. They would rather have the $5.6M of cap space to have sign better guys. It was an interesting lunch- I was the only one of the 6 of us that wanted to keep Hossa. But I admit they put up some good points.

 

[puckjim]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]



The point they kept making to me and which I didn't really have a good answer for is "you're done, you won the cup, who cares if you lose him now, you need the cap space for injuries and filling the roster". Of course I mentioned the whole repeat thing that I want to see happen but they didn't feel that was going to happen with half a team of low paid role players and young kids no one's ever heard of around the minimum salary. They would rather have the $5.6M of cap space to have sign better guys. It was an interesting lunch- I was the only one of the 6 of us that wanted to keep Hossa. But I admit they put up some good points.[/quote]



They did? Could you list a couple of them?

 

[Kerfuffle]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="puckjim"]



They did? Could you list a couple of them?[/quote]

I thought I just did. But here goes:

1) You free up $5.6M of cap space - you have an injury cushion and some wiggle-room around the trade deadline if you need a player or two.

2) You don't have to ice a team with about half the guys making minimum and where there's uncertainty if they're ready to handle the reins full time (i.e. Skille, Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Scott, Hendry, Boynton).

3) You already won the cup with Hossa - do you really need him another 11 years? He's in his 30s now, blah, blah, blah. And yes they are aware he's retiring after about 7 more years but even that is still a long time.



All the guys at the table were college educated with very good careers, none were STH though except myself.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought I just did. But here goes:

1) You free up $5.6M of cap space - you have an injury cushion and some wiggle-room around the trade deadline if you need a player or two.

2) You don't have to ice a team with about half the guys making minimum and where there's uncertainty if they're ready to handle the reins full time (i.e. Skille, Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Scott, Hendry, Boynton).

3) You already won the cup with Hossa - do you really need him another 11 years? He's in his 30s now, blah, blah, blah. And yes they are aware he's retiring after about 7 more years but even that is still a long time.



All the guys at the table were college educated with very good careers, none were STH though except myself.[/quote]



You do realize he is one of the best 2-way players in the league right? Also one of the strongest puck handlers in the NHL today. Not only that, he was one of the best players on the team throughout the whole playoffs. Hell yea I want Hossa back for 5.6 million cap hit!



EDIT: I realize your friends told you this after re-reading, but still my points still stand.

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="puckjim"]



They did? Could you list a couple of them?[/quote]

I'd like to know as well.



With a Cap hit per year such a Hossa has, what other player in the league is better? Can anyone find ONE player???

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought I just did. But here goes:

1) You free up $5.6M of cap space - you have an injury cushion and some wiggle-room around the trade deadline if you need a player or two.



They had NO space last year and won the Cup. They have 2 mil right now. Valid point, no. Who replaces Hossa? Who'd they get at the TDL last year? Wait, with injury they actually lost a player.





2) You don't have to ice a team with about half the guys making minimum and where there's uncertainty if they're ready to handle the reins full time (i.e. Skille, Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Scott, Hendry, Boynton).



Half the guys are making minimum? Really? Which half because at least 14 are over minimum.

3) You already won the cup with Hossa - do you really need him another 11 years? He's in his 30s now, blah, blah, blah. And yes they are aware he's retiring after about 7 more years but even that is still a long time.



They are idiots. He missed how many games and was still near the top in points last year. Maybe in 4 years but with his Cap hit that contract is STILL a deal.



All the guys at the table were college educated with very good careers, none were STH though except myself.



Obviously none knew jack shit about hockey.



[/quote]

 

[winos5]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought I just did. But here goes:

1) You free up $5.6M of cap space - you have an injury cushion and some wiggle-room around the trade deadline if you need a player or two. By cutting loose the perhaps the best 2 way forward in NHL who you signed to a cap friendly deal? Thats fucking stupid2) You don't have to ice a team with about half the guys making minimum and where there's uncertainty if they're ready to handle the reins full time (i.e. Skille, Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Scott, Hendry, Boynton).

Scott, Hendry and particularly Boynton are all NHL vets, I don't question their ability to play in their given rolls. Bickell, Dowell and Skille have all seen NHL ice over the last 2-3 seasons. The cap friendly contracts are a good thing. Anybody who "wonders who these guys are" hasn't been paying attention3) You already won the cup with Hossa - do you really need him another 11 years? He's in his 30s now, blah, blah, blah. And yes they are aware he's retiring after about 7 more years but even that is still a long time.

**** yes I want him 11 more years. I want a fucking NHL dynasty and Lord Stanley every god damned year. Anybody who doesn't can take a flying leap at a rolling donut...and get off the band wagon.

All the guys at the table were college educated with very good careers, none were STH though except myself.[/quote]



They should ask for a refund

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

"They should ask for a refund"



Post of the Day! HAHA





I was thinking they should actually learn something about the game before looking ignorant, but the refund works too!

 

[puckjim]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought I just did. But here goes:

1) You free up $5.6M of cap space - you have an injury cushion and some wiggle-room around the trade deadline if you need a player or two.

2) You don't have to ice a team with about half the guys making minimum and where there's uncertainty if they're ready to handle the reins full time (i.e. Skille, Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Scott, Hendry, Boynton).

3) You already won the cup with Hossa - do you really need him another 11 years? He's in his 30s now, blah, blah, blah. And yes they are aware he's retiring after about 7 more years but even that is still a long time.



All the guys at the table were college educated with very good careers, none were STH though except myself.[/quote]



1. An injury cushion is usually around a million or so. In the salary cap era, NO team keeps 10% of their cap space free for injuries. So they are saying losing a goal scorer like Hossa gives us some flexibility at the trade deadline to pick up a player that could fill a need, such as goal scoring? Why not just keep the goal scoring you already have?

2. We have a core consisting of: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, and Campbell. That's an all-star team right there that will handle the reigns. Third and fourth line players are expected to be just that, third and fourth line players. BTW: Boynton already has a 'Cup with the Ducks, so not sure where the uncertainty comes from.

3. We would like to win as many championships as possible. That's what sports teams do. Having one of the finest two-way players in the world on your teams helps you do this. Losing one of the finest two-way players in the world hurts those chances.

 

[Pez68]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought I just did. But here goes:

1) You free up $5.6M of cap space - you have an injury cushion and some wiggle-room around the trade deadline if you need a player or two.

2) You don't have to ice a team with about half the guys making minimum and where there's uncertainty if they're ready to handle the reins full time (i.e. Skille, Bickell, Stalberg, Dowell, Scott, Hendry, Boynton).

3) You already won the cup with Hossa - do you really need him another 11 years? He's in his 30s now, blah, blah, blah. And yes they are aware he's retiring after about 7 more years but even that is still a long time.



All the guys at the table were college educated with very good careers, none were STH though except myself.[/quote]



Hossa's cap hit is $5.275M per year. Please find a player or combination of players for $5.275M that makes us a better team than we are WITH Hossa. After you replace the TOP SIX FORWARD(not to mention world class talent) you are losing, you have maybe a mil to spend to upgrade the third line?



I don't care how much education your friends have, they obviously don't know shit about hockey.



Maybe we should trade Toews away for picks. I mean, his cap hit is bigger than Hossa's, and just think of what we could do with the 6.3M in cap space.

 

[DBQHawkFan]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="sth"]http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/agent-nhl-wont-void-deals-for-hossa-other-stars.html



An unnamed NHL agent tells the Toronto Sun he is certain that no other deals will be voided. Take it for what its worth.[/quote]



Zito? :lol:

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="DBQHawkFan"]



Zito? :lol:[/quote]





Thread closed. Two great replies!



Besides it got dumber as it was going along here.

 

[DBQHawkFan]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="Pez68"]



Hossa's cap hit is $5.275M per year. Please find a player or combination of players for $5.275M that makes us a better team than we are WITH Hossa. After you replace the TOP SIX FORWARD(not to mention world class talent) you are losing, you have maybe a mil to spend to upgrade the third line?



I don't care how much education your friends have, they obviously don't know shit about hockey.



Maybe we should trade Toews away for picks. I mean, his cap hit is bigger than Hossa's, and just think of what we could do with the 6.3M in cap space.[/quote]



But......but......wait, these guys are college educated. They must be right!!!

 

[Guest]

Re: League looking at Hossa's contract....again

[quote name="DBQHawkFan"]



But......but......wait, these guys are college educated. They must be right!!![/quote]



I'm overly college educated and I've been reading the old CBA for three months.



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