White Sox Sign Jeff Keppinger

[brett05]

I don't think you can use that small of a sample to say definitively that Player X is better than Player Y. If you look at the career as an aggregate, Jeff Keppinger is better than both Beckham and Morel in terms of offensive production. I think you keep Beckham around because a guy with a good glove is very useful to a team. But based on the information we have to look at the big picture, there's very little you can use to say that Morel and/or Beckham are better than Keppinger. This doesn't mean Keppinger is a superstar. It just means he doesn't suck as much.

1) Show me where I have mentioned Morel? Only a few "Sox fans" have mentioned him, but I haven't.
2) Keppinger has a better aggregate because he's played longer. Again, for a guy that can't play more then part time nor stick with a team for much more than a year in his entire career that is almost 10 years long, no GM would take Jeff over Gordon. NO ONE. :smh:

 

[brett05]

keep dislike repping over disagreeing....and you will be banned. this has been the final warning brett

1) Rush said it is ok, it's the No Thank for the site.
2) I will dislike rep everytime a comment is done aainst me that is done out of disrespect.
3) Check with Rush before you ban me.

You have been warned with your banter that as a mod you will be removed if you keep this up. Do you understand?

 

[brett05]

Kepp struck out only 31 times last season. He puts the ball in play.

In play for double plays. He's 50% worse then the average major leaguer at hitting into DP. SO instead of a signle out with a K he's giving us two with a DP.

 

[brett05]

My feeling on this is :meh:. I wanted Youkilis back, but you know how economics works in sports. At least his OBP is decent and that's what the lineup needs. Of course, this doesn't replace the On-Base deficient areas of the team (cough Alexei cough Beckham cough Viciedo). Fielding wise if brett 05 is right, it's a step down, offensively if you take away Jewkilis' HR's it's a lateral move.

Except he's never played a full season and we have no clue how that will affect him. History shows players like this will play poorly when given the full time status.

 

[Kleats]

I only get fired up for a season when I know the TEAM is gonna be a serious contender ; not a pseudo-contender like the Sox have been off and on since 05 ( although that was a surprise I'll admit ) . So I posted a yawn but it wasn't all about the player , it was kind of a I don't see a good enough team here yet .

 

[DewsSox79]

1) Rush said it is ok, it's the No Thank for the site.
2) I will dislike rep everytime a comment is done aainst me that is done out of disrespect.
3) Check with Rush before you ban me.

You have been warned with your banter that as a mod you will be removed if you keep this up. Do you understand?

:rofl: will never happen. Do you understand?

you are such a fucking baby....lets dislike rep everyone who hurts bretts feelings. lol

 

[Rice Cube]

1) Show me where I have mentioned Morel? Only a few "Sox fans" have mentioned him, but I haven't.
2) Keppinger has a better aggregate because he's played longer. Again, for a guy that can't play more then part time nor stick with a team for much more than a year in his entire career that is almost 10 years long, no GM would take Jeff over Gordon. NO ONE. :smh:

Someone else mentioned Morel. I don't recall who. Don't really care.

As for the GM that would take Jeff over Gordon...well, yours just did :lol:

Don't overthink it. There's a reason Jeff Keppinger is still useful to teams. He's not a full-time player but I guess the Sox have to take that risk considering the alternatives.

 

[brett05]

I've reported this to Rush. Let him decide. Keep swearing. it's about the only language you are capable of using.

 

[DewsSox79]

I've reported this to Rush. Let him decide. Keep swearing. it's about the only language you are capable of using.

wait...i cant swear on CCS? when did that rule change?

 

[brett05]

Someone else mentioned Morel. I don't recall who. Don't really care.

As for the GM that would take Jeff over Gordon...well, yours just did :lol:

Don't overthink it. There's a reason Jeff Keppinger is still useful to teams. He's not a full-time player but I guess the Sox have to take that risk considering the alternatives.

I'm not over thinking it. Just calling a spade a spade and using stats to back it up unlike some "Sox Fans" and their love affair with a bench bum

 

[Rice Cube]

I'm not over thinking it. Just calling a spade a spade and using stats to back it up unlike some "SOx Fans" and their love affair with a bench bum

Well, yeah, but the bench bum is doing better in a much larger sample than either Beckham or Morel so I'm not sure where our disconnect is here.

 

[brett05]

Well, yeah, but the bench bum is doing better in a much larger sample than either Beckham or Morel so I'm not sure where our disconnect is here.

1) He's not doing better. Too small of a sample size for Jeff in any given year.
2) Too small of a sample size as the two players you have mentioned are just starting in their careers though I admit Morel's career might be over and done with.

As a Bench guy, Jeff is fine. Severely overpaid, but fine as a super sub. Said that since day 1

 

[Rice Cube]

The "sample size" isn't just looking at one given season as a standalone, you have to look at the career as an aggregate or else you can just cherrypick statistics. What I was doing was comparing their career lines. Keppinger career OPS+ = 97. Beckham career OPS+ = 84 and that's buoyed by his rookie season or else it'd be even lower. I agree that Keppinger is a super sub, but I don't think you can deny that he is better than Beckham.

 

[MRubio52]

1) He's not doing better. Too small of a sample size for Jeff in any given year.
2) Too small of a sample size as the two players you have mentioned are just starting in their careers though I admit Morel's career might be over and done with.

As a Bench guy, Jeff is fine. Severely overpaid, but fine as a super sub. Said that since day 1

To clarify, over 2705 PA Keppinger is .288/.337/.396.
Beckham, over 2067 PA is .245/.312/.382
Morel is .230/.273/.338 in barely a full season.

Basically Keppinger has equal or slightly more pop than Beckham, gets on base more, and doesn't strike out as often. Beckham's defense is good, but it's not to the Ozzie Smith level of justifying his bat. His range is reportedly slightly worse than Keppinger's.

Keppinger is a fine 2 hitter and diversifies the lineup more than either Beckham or Morel in a positive way. He's a decent hitter, a good fielder, and overall has more value than either Beckham or Morel as a starter. Beckham's time in Chicago is probably done anyway, with Carlos Sanchez just on the horizon. It's not awful to start Keppinger and keep Beckham on the bench as a utility guy and 3B option if Keppinger goes down.

It's not a glitzy move, but it is a smart baseball move.

 

[brett05]

The "sample size" isn't just looking at one given season as a standalone, you have to look at the career as an aggregate or else you can just cherrypick statistics. What I was doing was comparing their career lines. Keppinger career OPS+ = 97. Beckham career OPS+ = 84 and that's buoyed by his rookie season or else it'd be even lower. I agree that Keppinger is a super sub, but I don't think you can deny that he is better than Beckham.

I deny that overall Jeff is better than Beckham. Jeff hits for a higher average. That's it and only does it when playing part time AKA not a full season. He's not a guy anyone wanted to play full time before and I am hoping Hahn just severly overpaid for a Sub

 

[brett05]

To clarify, over 2705 PA Keppinger is .288/.337/.396.
Beckham, over 2067 PA is .245/.312/.382
Morel is .230/.273/.338 in barely a full season.

Basically Keppinger has equal or slightly more pop than Beckham, gets on base more, and doesn't strike out as often. Beckham's defense is good, but it's not to the Ozzie Smith level of justifying his bat. His range is reportedly slightly worse than Keppinger's.

Keppinger is a fine 2 hitter and diversifies the lineup more than either Beckham or Morel in a positive way. He's a decent hitter, a good fielder, and overall has more value than either Beckham or Morel as a starter. Beckham's time in Chicago is probably done anyway, with Carlos Sanchez just on the horizon. It's not awful to start Keppinger and keep Beckham on the bench as a utility guy and 3B option if Keppinger goes down.

It's not a glitzy move, but it is a smart baseball move.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't ISO show the power? I haven't checked but I would guess Beckham has Jeff there.

Jeff took 10 years to get his 2700 PA, Beckham took 4 years is it?

Many in baseball call Gordon the best defensive 2b in the game.
Beckham for the six weeks prior to Youkie coming over was a perfect 2 hitter. His OPS during that time was like 900 (Just a guess given his 250 point improvement)

Got a link to Beckham being benched or moved?

 

[MRubio52]

Yes he has a better ISO, but he can't hit which suppresses any value his limited power might have.

I find it difficult to believe that Beckham OPS'd 900 for any 6 week stretch last year, and in the 2 hole he OBP'd .305.

I dunno, you usually are what you are by the time your age 25 season rolls around and Beckham is an all field no hit 2B.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

Wow this escalated quickly lmfao

 

[Capt. Serious]

The way brett talks about Beckham, you'd swear he was Robby Cano.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

Id love to have Robby Cano:woot: