White Sox Sign Jeff Keppinger

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GO PLATOONZ :woot:

 

[Kleats]

Keppinger basically = Mark Grudzielanek

And anybody who would take a Beckham over a Grudzielanek is high .

 

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MONDAY: The White Sox announced the agreement. Keppinger will earn $3.5MM in 2013, $4MM in 2014 and $4.5MM in 2015 under the terms of the three-year contract.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#DpXeGzRiKzGEU1Lz.99

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[brett05]

Keppinger basically = Mark Grudzielanek

And anybody who would take a Beckham over a Grudzielanek is high .

THen maybe the majority of the world has been wrong that drus are bad.

 

[brett05]

butzzz he was gooodzzz for teh 6 weekszz and stuffzz.

even though he batted .258/.305 in the TWO HOLE that brett keeps talking about.

correct me if im wrong, but arent your 2 hole hitters supposed to be above .305 OBP......

AGAIN.. HE HAD A .305 OBP IN THE 2 HOLE BRETT.

You bring up the stat of the two hole, but not the two hole of his last six weeks being there where is OB% was over .305 Please take a moment and consider that. Perhaps he got out of it, but we won't know unitl he's given that shot again for a real peropd pf time,. not just 10-12 weeks but a full season.

 

[brett05]

Dunn and Konerko were raking until about July (and we got Youk, what? Middle of June?) so Beckham was able to feast off of that batting second. Konerko played injured through the second half (partially why we lost the division, not the main/only reason). And Dunn kind of cooled off too. Beckham would have been a less efficient #2 hitter after all that goes down.

If Beckham played for a perennial power house team that always scores tun of runs (think the Phillies of the last couple of seasons) Beckham would probably be a decent #2 hitter. But in Chicago, where the offense is a rollercoaster, and it can't stay consistent, Beckham is doomed to be a poor #2 hitter and belongs in the 8th or 9th spot.

It doesn't work that way.
1) Konerko was only hurt til the chip was removed. Paulie said it then (which Dews said was a cover) and then Paulie confirmed it after the season proving it was no cover, he was fine.
2) Just because a Dunn and or Konerko slump doesn't mean that the pitcher goes, well, Paulie and Adam are slumping. They must be done so let's be extra crafty witht he two hole hitter. Just does not happen. The pitcher know that at any point Paulie and Adam can snap right out of it so they still have to be super aggressive witht he #2 hitter. Don't want duckies on the pond when the men come to bat.

 

[Capt. Serious]

You bring up the stat of the two hole, but not the two hole of his last six weeks being there where is OB% was over .305 Please take a moment and consider that. Perhaps he got out of it, but we won't know unitl he's given that shot again for a real peropd pf time,. not just 10-12 weeks but a full season.

Please take a moment to get a clue & realize Beckham's bat sucks.

 

[Rice Cube]

I don't have the time nor am I particularly interested in doing so but I do wonder if there's a way to plot Beckham's slash line with his spot in the order by date. Then I recalled that B-Ref does that already:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=beckhgo01&t=b&year=2012

Now I agree with Brett that the concept of lineup protection is probably overblown, but there likely exists some truth to it as pitchers are less likely to want to walk guys in front of power hitters. That said, Gordon Beckham had played just about every day of the season, accumulating almost 600 plate appearances and still hit like crap. If he wanted to show he was fit for the #2 spot he didn't take advantage of the opportunities given to him as he was penciled into the lineup consistently and just didn't give the manager any incentive to move him up. The six week stretch Brett talked about had Beckham OBP-ing above .300 for a grand total of two days, right before the manager (rather smartly) dropped him to the bottom of the order. Sure he may have been improving, and maybe for a six week stretch he could have been awesome, but just about any player can look awesome for six weeks (which Beckham unfortunately was not). Example? Bryan LaHair.

You do not put a sub-.300 OBP player in the #2 spot if you can help it.

 

[brett05]

Gordon's stats last 44 games prior to Youkie arrival in the 2 hole: .264/.311/.478 OPS.788 5 2b, 7 hr, 25 RBI, 12 BB, 22 K

I think if he was kept there he would more than make up the points Jeff had over him last year. He also is superior with the glove. So even if I say Jeff is a better hitter (oh wait, I have) over an entire season (assuming Jeff can play an entire season), the edge at the plate isn't as great with any of the other tools which Gordon has Jeff (glove, arm, speed, power)

We shall see what Robin does on Opening Day.

 

[DewsSox79]

Gordon's stats last 44 games prior to Youkie arrival in the 2 hole: .264/.311/.478 OPS.788 5 2b, 7 hr, 25 RBI, 12 BB, 22 K

I think if he was kept there he would more than make up the points Jeff had over him last year. He also is superior with the glove. So even if I say Jeff is a better hitter (oh wait, I have) over an entire season (assuming Jeff can play an entire season), the edge at the plate isn't as great with any of the other tools which Gordon has Jeff (glove, arm, speed, power)

We shall see what Robin does on Opening Day.

yuck. as rice explained. he isnt a 2 hole hitter. you can dislike rep all you want about your whole 6 week sample size....doing that still makes you wrong. the end

 

[MRubio52]

Gordon's stats last 44 games prior to Youkie arrival in the 2 hole: .264/.311/.478 OPS.788 5 2b, 7 hr, 25 RBI, 12 BB, 22 K

I think if he was kept there he would more than make up the points Jeff had over him last year. He also is superior with the glove. So even if I say Jeff is a better hitter (oh wait, I have) over an entire season (assuming Jeff can play an entire season), the edge at the plate isn't as great with any of the other tools which Gordon has Jeff (glove, arm, speed, power)

We shall see what Robin does on Opening Day.

What are you talking about?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p...=2012&share=3.29#432-479-sum:batting_gamelogs

 

[Capt. Serious]

brett, quit dislike repping people every time someone disagrees with you.

Tired of logging in lately with a reputation comment from you.

 

[MRubio52]

This is what Beckham did for the 200 PA's (48 games) prior to Youk's arrival and insertion into the 2 hole:

.240 .291 .355

That's just god awful. I believe his most productive stretch came over his last 124 AB's in the 9 hole.

 

[brett05]

What are you talking about?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p...=2012&share=3.29#432-479-sum:batting_gamelogs

What I showed was his stats being the consistent 2 hitter for 44 games. Can it be better? Yes. Do I think Beckham was on his way doing just that ? Yes

 

[brett05]

brett, quit dislike repping people every time someone disagrees with you.

Tired of logging in lately with a reputation comment from you.

I dislike as a no thanks. Not as childish revenge. If you make a good comment I'll rep you up

 

[DewsSox79]

What I showed was his stats being the consistent 2 hitter for 44 games. Can it be better? Yes. Do I think Beckham was on his way doing just that ? Yes

you saw the numbers....they dont lie. maybe consistent for a little league team

 

[Capt. Serious]

Beckham & stuffz.

 

[MRubio52]

Brett,

My only gripe with what you're saying is that the numbers you are posting aren't real, and if they are I cannot find them anywhere under any search term.

I've used BBR, Fangraphs, a home made stat generator that produces aggregate numbers based on unique search terms, and I can't find any 6 week stretch where Beckham OPS'd 800+ in the 2 hole.

I've said it previously in this thread, the theory of Beckham, good-great fielder, occasional power, is a great theory. I like that theory a lot. But the actual results are so bad that I don't think they merit a starters role in the modern game of baseball.

Before the power revolution I do think that Beckham would be a positive on most teams. But 2B hit well now. Beckham can't make up the difference with his glove IMO. He isn't a first division starter.

 

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So...you're saying Beckham is NOT serviceable...

 

[icehogfan08]

I'm sorry but just going off 6 weeks and him getting out of the slump after is so unpredictable. Dewey posted that bacon had nearly 200 at bats with not do good numbers. I want a guy in the 2 hole who can get on orove the lead off guy around to get them in scoring position for Dunn and Pauly