White Sox Sign Jeff Keppinger

[DewsSox79]

Lets make this a bit easier for some people.

The "2 hole" debate is we todd did. its called sample size.

The Sox would not have moved beckham out of the 2 hole if they thought his SAMPLE SIZE was going to last.

He is good at defense, that is it...nothing more, nothing less. He is good there but lets stop with the whole stroke fest of his defensive play.

His bat is horrible. I dont care if he had a little hot streak. During a course of a season this is his slash line:

.234/.296/.668 78 OPS+ 0.3 WAR 0.1 dWAR .990 F%
Im using everything here.... He isnt very good.

now run along and post some threads about how we shouldnt get youk and get josh fields, joe nathan deserves the CBPOY award over dunn.

You dislike rep people because you disagree, not because of bad language which you use as a cop out. stop being a child and act like an adult.

"dear rushhzzz and stuffz"

Oh on a side note...we can fucking swear in any section....its not dislike rep worthy...so if someone swears and you dislike rep you will be banned, this isnt hard.

 

[brett05]

keep dislike repping over disagreeing....and you will be banned. this has been the final warning brett

12-07-2012 12:19 AM
CarWars79 Thread: White Sox Sign Jeff Keppinger
sample size. you fail to realize this along with other major variables. hows josh fields?
.12-06-2012 03:40 PM
CarWars79 Thread: White Sox Sign Jeff Keppinger
you have zero clue
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Going to ban yourself? You keep showing your true character all the time Dews.

 

[brett05]

Lets make this a bit easier for some people.

The "2 hole" debate is we todd did. its called sample size.

The Sox would not have moved beckham out of the 2 hole if they thought his SAMPLE SIZE was going to last.

The Sox believed that it was in the best interest that put Youkie there as they thought he would return to form and be a dominant player again. I didn't like the move of Beckham out, but you almost had to make it after the trade. It was a no choice scenario.

He is good at defense, that is it...nothing more, nothing less. He is good there but lets stop with the whole stroke fest of his defensive play.

You can deny his greatness with his glove all you want. No credible person agrees with you, but you are entititled.

His bat is horrible. I dont care if he had a little hot streak. During a course of a season this is his slash line:

.234/.296/.668 78 OPS+ 0.3 WAR 0.1 dWAR .990 F%
Im using everything here.... He isnt very good.

Not very good? Yes. Awful? Nope. Gettign moved all the time not only defensively but in the order messing him up? Yes. Just like a QB in football with a new coordinator all the time. You will never know until you leave him put in the lineup and in the field.

now run along and post some threads about how we shouldnt get youk and get josh fields, joe nathan deserves the CBPOY award over dunn.

Why don't you quit the site again? It's what you are good at.

You dislike rep people because you disagree, not because of bad language which you use as a cop out. stop being a child and act like an adult.

Read the posts that I dislike rep. Nice try. The only child here is YOU. It's a feature of the site. If you use a feature of the site you will be banned. If you disagree with Dews he'll use his extensive swearing list to make you feel bad with personal attacks and threaten to ban you. :lol:.

"dear rushhzzz and stuffz"

Oh on a side note...we can ... swear in any section....its not dislike rep worthy...so if someone swears and you dislike rep you will be banned, this isnt hard.

All class. (where's my green for this hypocrit of the year.)

 

[Rice Cube]

I think there's some truth behind the psychology of moving a guy around defensively and in the order, but if the guy isn't hitting you have to try to regain some value somewhere. Maybe they want to see if he's a super-utility guy, who knows. But the point is that he isn't hitting despite continuing to get opportunities in the field and in the lineup. Maybe he figures it out in spring training (even though basing decisions off of spring training is also silly) but if you're given a choice between two guys with similar career plate appearances and one clearly produces better than the other...I think your choice is pretty much made for you unless your stats department and your scouts decide to just throw that out the window.

 

[DewsSox79]

The Sox believed that it was in the best interest that put Youkie there as they thought he would return to form and be a dominant player again. I didn't like the move of Beckham out, but you almost had to make it after the trade. It was a no choice scenario.



You can deny his greatness with his glove all you want. No credible person agrees with you, but you are entititled.



Not very good? Yes. Awful? Nope. Gettign moved all the time not only defensively but in the order messing him up? Yes. Just like a QB in football with a new coordinator all the time. You will never know until you leave him put in the lineup and in the field.


Why don't you quit the site again? It's what you are good at.



Read the posts that I dislike rep. Nice try. The only child here is YOU. It's a feature of the site. If you use a feature of the site you will be banned. If you disagree with Dews he'll use his extensive swearing list to make you feel bad with personal attacks and threaten to ban you. :lol:.


All class. (where's my green for this hypocrit of the year.)

 

[MRubio52]

Is now a bad time to say I kinda like the theory of Gordon Beckham rather than the actual results?

 

[Rice Cube]

Is now a bad time to say I kinda like the theory of Gordon Beckham rather than the actual results?

The theory should probably be tested in small doses or in Triple A

 

[brett05]

Is now a bad time to say I kinda like the theory of Gordon Beckham rather than the actual results?

The thing is the results were there for him in the two hole prior to Youkie. He had raised his ops some 250 points
Would it have sustained? Unknown. Last season though he was right there in meaningful hits

 

[nickofypres]

Beckham is about on par with league average second basemen batting wise.

That still isn't very good, and its not an excuse for Beckham, but it is what it is.

EDIT: re-checked, a little below par, I guess.

 

[nickofypres]

The thing is the results were there for him in the two hole prior to Youkie. He had raised his ops some 250 points
Would it have sustained? Unknown. Last season though he was right there in meaningful hits

Dunn and Konerko were raking until about July (and we got Youk, what? Middle of June?) so Beckham was able to feast off of that batting second. Konerko played injured through the second half (partially why we lost the division, not the main/only reason). And Dunn kind of cooled off too. Beckham would have been a less efficient #2 hitter after all that goes down.

If Beckham played for a perennial power house team that always scores tun of runs (think the Phillies of the last couple of seasons) Beckham would probably be a decent #2 hitter. But in Chicago, where the offense is a rollercoaster, and it can't stay consistent, Beckham is doomed to be a poor #2 hitter and belongs in the 8th or 9th spot.

 

[Capt. Serious]

brett just can't admit that Beckham's bat stinks.

 

[DewsSox79]

Dunn and Konerko were raking until about July (and we got Youk, what? Middle of June?) so Beckham was able to feast off of that batting second. Konerko played injured through the second half (partially why we lost the division, not the main/only reason). And Dunn kind of cooled off too. Beckham would have been a less efficient #2 hitter after all that goes down.

If Beckham played for a perennial power house team that always scores tun of runs (think the Phillies of the last couple of seasons) Beckham would probably be a decent #2 hitter. But in Chicago, where the offense is a rollercoaster, and it can't stay consistent, Beckham is doomed to be a poor #2 hitter and belongs in the 8th or 9th spot.

His OBP is not good enough to ever sniff a number 2 spot for a WHOLE season. Some people don't understand sample sizes here. If he is on just a team that rakes, fine, but like you said....not in this lineup.

 

[DewsSox79]

batting 2nd in the lineup in 2012:

194 ATBATS: .258/.305/.707 That is horrible.

That ends this debate. carry on.

 

[brett05]

batting 2nd in the lineup in 2012:

194 ATBATS: .258/.305/.707 That is horrible.

That ends this debate. carry on.

Debate has never ever been about the whole season.

 

[brett05]

His OBP is not good enough to ever sniff a number 2 spot for a WHOLE season. Some people don't understand sample sizes here. If he is on just a team that rakes, fine, but like you said....not in this lineup.

Says the one trumpeting Jeff

He nay not fi r an entire season. He could be a slow starter. The undeniable fact is he played it well for the last six weeks before Youkie

 

[SaberSox]

Beckhams is good defensively but sucks fat **** at hitting

And just fat **** in general. That's why he acts like he's such a big homophobe.

 

[Capt. Serious]

batting 2nd in the lineup in 2012:

194 ATBATS: .258/.305/.707 That is horrible.

That ends this debate. carry on.

Stop. Bringing facts into this isn't allowed.

 

[Capt. Serious]

brett doing it again to me with the repping.

 

[DewsSox79]

Stop. Bringing facts into this isn't allowed.

butzzz he was gooodzzz for teh 6 weekszz and stuffzz.

even though he batted .258/.305 in the TWO HOLE that brett keeps talking about.

correct me if im wrong, but arent your 2 hole hitters supposed to be above .305 OBP......

AGAIN.. HE HAD A .305 OBP IN THE 2 HOLE BRETT.

 

[MRubio52]

Ok, so I have a crazy crackpot idea and I'm going to play GM for a moment.

What if they are playing a utility role for Beckham rolled into a weird 3 way platoon?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=keppije01&year=Career&t=b

Keppinger's splits.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=beckhgo01&year=Career&t=b

Beckham's splits.

You'll notice that Keppinger, over the course of his career, is really good against left handed SPs, and Beckham is damn anemic against LHSP.

SO

Against lefty starters Keppinger gets the nod at second (there are less lefty starters, etc etc).

Against righty starters Keppinger starts at 3rd (or sits on a sunday, planned days of rest, etc etc) and Beckham starts at 2nd to take advantage of his defense.

You'll need to get a 3B who can hit lefty starters though to make it work.

BUT MAYBE THE SOX HAVE THAT GUY ALREADY

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=vicieda01&year=Career&t=b

Which really means the White Sox are, in my scenario, in the market for a corner OFer, and perhaps that dude is...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=swishni01&year=Career&t=b

Who won't kill you in right, assuming the Sox trade De Aza for a part.

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Man that is a crazy fucked up idea.