Who is the MVP?

[Rush]

LeBron.

If Lin keeps this shit up all season, it would be him easily. Most likely he won't.

 

[thechosenone]

Can we stop making comparisons and talk about basketball?
We have overanalyzed every single player vs every single player for so many times.In every basketball thread someone will start a comparison flame.

MVP is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER of the regular season not the best player.

So stop comparisons and tell about why someone is more valuable.

Yes Rose is pretty high in the list right now.His team has a very good record,he is in the top10 of points and assists and he had some amazing games this season and some game winner plays and clutch performances.I don't believe that the Bulls would have a so good record without him.The only reason why he is not 2nd in my book is because he missed many games so far.So yes he is one of the most valuable players.If the bulls have the best record when the regular season ends he will probably be the winner again.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

LeBron.

If Lin keeps this shit up all season, it would be him easily. Most likely he won't.

Not rightfully. We are already a third into the season and that pretty much takes him out of the equation. And he is being massively overrated right now. What he is doing as an inexperience pro starting player is unreal. But he has a lot of work to do.

A PG is not supposed to average nearly as many TOV's as AST's.

And don't sleep on Durant.

 

[Bullsman24]

As much as ESPN is hyping this story, everyone has got to admit it's an amazing story. In a league full of spoiled, cry-baby superstars, it is really refreshing to see a hard-working, humble kid have a true zero to hero storyline in the NBA.

Asian Pride <3

 

[Bullsman24]

But really, Durant is in the lead followed by LeBron and Rose. Those are the three best teams in the NBA bar none, and those three SHOULD be the top three for the next half a decade.

The fact that Kevin Love is ahead of Rose in the MVP column is baffling...shouldn't you have to have a winning record to be eligible...?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

But really, Durant is in the lead followed by LeBron and Rose. Those are the three best teams in the NBA bar none, and those three SHOULD be the top three for the next half a decade.

The fact that Kevin Love is ahead of Rose in the MVP column is baffling...shouldn't you have to have a winning record to be eligible...?

Rose has no business anywhere near the top 3. The MVP award is how much better one player makes their team over the course of a season.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Not rightfully. We are already a third into the season and that pretty much takes him out of the equation. And he is being massively overrated right now. What he is doing as an inexperience pro starting player is unreal. But he has a lot of work to do.

A PG is not supposed to average nearly as many TOV's as AST's.

And don't sleep on Durant.

Winning games has much to do with MVP, and so far Lin is 6-0. Seems pretty valuable to me, all the TOs aside (and I agree he gets a whole lot more than any good pg should). I'm not going to say that Lin will sniff MVP of the league, but he's definitely the MVP of the Knicks right now. If the Knicks have success for the rest of the season, don't be surprised if his name pops up in conversations because he really does have almost everything to do with their success.


All that said...I'd say KD, Kobe, and Lebron are my top 3 (not in order). Rose is still in the top 5, but his injuries and our success in spite of them probably ruins his case for it this year.

 

[Glide2keva]

Winning games has much to do with MVP, and so far Lin is 6-0. Seems pretty valuable to me, all the TOs aside (and I agree he gets a whole lot more than any good pg should). I'm not going to say that Lin will sniff MVP of the league, but he's definitely the MVP of the Knicks right now. If the Knicks have success for the rest of the season, don't be surprised if his name pops up in conversations because he really does have almost everything to do with their success.


All that said...I'd say KD, Kobe, and Lebron are my top 3 (not in order). Rose is still in the top 5, but his injuries and our success in spite of them probably ruins his case for it this year.

Our success against weak teams.

The Bulls have lost the games again +.500 teams without Rose. That shows his value right there. Having said that, he isn't in the race right now.

I would go with lebron, Kobe, KD, CP360, Rose

 

[Glide2keva]

Last year I told people to face the facts and some of you all got all butt hurt over it. So I just want to sit back and see who everybody is saying the League MVP is.

So tell me. Who is it?

Fixed.

You told us last year to face facts that lebron was the MVP, despite it not being true. Then you went to giving your OPINION (not fact) about lebron being the MVP over Rose. You got butt-hurt because no one agreed with you, so you went harder for lebron.

Now, you don't want to give your opinion because (I will hazard a guess) you think lebron is the MVP this year. IF that's what you think, say so.

And here's the thread

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/11004-mvp-watch-face-facts-gentlemen.html

Lebron is king...sorry to say it but dude is killing right now. Question my Bulls loyalty if you want, he is sooooooo much better than anybody else...its not close. Rose might be your runner up.

:bowrofl::rolling::rolling:

Great prediction.

 

[BNB]

I'm honestly surprised that a lot of people mentioned Kobe in their top 3.

most people see winning as an important factor in winning the MVP. AS OF NOW, there are 10 teams in the league with a better winning percentage than the lakers.

Yeah, Kobe's scoring a lot... but he's also shooting it 24 times a game.More if you count the ones that lead to free throws. So of course he's gonna be scoring a lot.

He's also got 2 guys down-low with him... both of them are averaging a double double. {16.8/10.6 and 16.3/12.4]

The Lakers actually play better when Kobe gets those guys involved and tries doing less instead of trying to go for 40.

 

[houheffna]

Fixed.

You told us last year to face facts that lebron was the MVP, despite it not being true. Then you went to giving your OPINION (not fact) about lebron being the MVP over Rose. You got butt-hurt because no one agreed with you, so you went harder for lebron.

Now, you don't want to give your opinion because (I will hazard a guess) you think lebron is the MVP this year. IF that's what you think, say so.

And here's the thread

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/11004-mvp-watch-face-facts-gentlemen.html

:bowrofl::rolling::rolling:

Great prediction.

And you are the king of the Butthurt....so what did I say wrong? He played the best basketball last year and I STILL think he is the best in the league by far...so your point exactly?

You remember your NBA top 5 players?

Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Carmelo Anthony

What is wrong with that picture? Looks like a top 5 list put together by someone who has no idea of how to look at the NBA objectively.

I have corrected you so many times on this site on some of the b.s. you spew its ridiculous. Again...grow up, give you opinion and get over it.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I'm honestly surprised that a lot of people mentioned Kobe in their top 3.

most people see winning as an important factor in winning the MVP. AS OF NOW, there are 10 teams in the league with a better winning percentage than the lakers.

Yeah, Kobe's scoring a lot... but he's also shooting it 24 times a game.More if you count the ones that lead to free throws. So of course he's gonna be scoring a lot.

He's also got 2 guys down-low with him... both of them are averaging a double double. {16.8/10.6 and 16.3/12.4]

The Lakers actually play better when Kobe gets those guys involved and tries doing less instead of trying to go for 40.

I include Kobe because without him the Lakers are nothing. He's keeping them in the middle of the pack singlehandedly (albeit with some poor shooting numbers, but he's playing with a torn ligament that would sideline most any other player). Yeah he's playing "selfishly" but that's just how Kobe is. That's why I don't think he'll win MVP, but he should at least be mentioned. But yes, he should utilize Gasol and Bynum more.

 

[Scoot26]

The Bulls have lost the games again +.500 teams without Rose. That shows his value right there. Having said that, he isn't in the race right now.

The Bulls have lost the games against +.500 teams with Rose as well. Simply put they are struggling against the good teams right now with or without Rose. They have also played the 2nd easiest schedule in the league to date. Their schedule gets harder from here on out. So thats where all these tests come into play. But we agree, Rose isn't in the running right now.

 

[thechosenone]

The Bulls have lost the games against +.500 teams with Rose as well. Simply put they are struggling against the good teams right now with or without Rose. They have also played the 2nd easiest schedule in the league to date. Their schedule gets harder from here on out. So thats where all these tests come into play. But we agree, Rose isn't in the running right now.

Easiest?The bulls have played 20 road games and I don't remember how many back to back games.One back to back to back for sure.They have played the most games too.And they only played against Indiana and Atlanta in their court.All other +0.500 team games were on the road.

Most of the analysts had them with a 15-15 record in the beginning because of the difficult schedule.

 

[Glide2keva]

And you are the king of the Butthurt....so what did I say wrong?

You told us to face FACTS, but only gave a little of your opinion about how lebron is "king" and then linked to to an ESPN article. You didn't present any facts, just your opinion, but TOLD us (not asked, like in your OP in this thread) to face FACTS. Then you said Rose would be the runner up.

You were wrong. And now you don't want to say anything because you said people got butt-hurt over you saying lebron was the MVP, like your opinion is the only opinion that matters.

You tell me to grow up, but you really need to get over yourself. Your opinion is not gospel. It's an opinion, like an asshole, everyone has one.

So now you have to face the FACT that lebron didn't win the MVP. I do however think he will win it this year. If CP360 keeps Flop City going strong, he just might win it over lebron.

Do you agree, or disagree?

 

[Glide2keva]

The Bulls have lost the games against +.500 teams with Rose as well. Simply put they are struggling against the good teams right now with or without Rose. They have also played the 2nd easiest schedule in the league to date. Their schedule gets harder from here on out. So that's where all these tests come into play. But we agree, Rose isn't in the running right now.

They are struggling against those teams, obviously, but the Bulls have rarely had their full squad for any significant stretch of games.

lebron is putting up insane numbers this season

CP360 has Flop City looking good for the first time in years

Kobe is among the league leaders in scoring so that will get him MVP votes because it always does

Durant is in the running also.

Rose will get votes because of winning last year, the Bulls overall record, but them having a winning record without him in the game hurts him, but those were against weak teams, but I don't think they will look further into the record than the raw numbers. So Rose wont win this year.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

1. Durant
2. James
3. Paul
4. Bryant
5. Rose

 

[Scoot26]

Easiest?The bulls have played 20 road games and I don't remember how many back to back games.One back to back to back for sure.They have played the most games too.And they only played against Indiana and Atlanta in their court.All other +0.500 team games were on the road.

Most of the analysts had them with a 15-15 record in the beginning because of the difficult schedule.

Easiest based on strength of schedule. It doesnt factor in if you were on the road or not, its only based on the winning percentage of the teams they have played. Playing crappy teams on the road really doesnt matter all that much unless your team has a road game problem like some indeed do have (The Bulls don't).

 

[Scoot26]

They are struggling against those teams, obviously, but the Bulls have rarely had their full squad for any significant stretch of games.

Right, The Bulls have only been completely healthy for 5 games this year, 4 of them being at the beginning. Its mostly just been Rip missing games though. To me the Bulls are fine as a regular season team without Rip, though we would like to get him in the rotation. I figure if he's back and healthy in March, and stays that way through the playoffs we're good to go. I'd also like to see how we look full strength against the likes of Miami in the regular season.

 

[BNB]

I include Kobe because without him the Lakers are nothing. He's keeping them in the middle of the pack singlehandedly (albeit with some poor shooting numbers, but he's playing with a torn ligament that would sideline most any other player). Yeah he's playing "selfishly" but that's just how Kobe is. That's why I don't think he'll win MVP, but he should at least be mentioned. But yes, he should utilize Gasol and Bynum more.

Well, any team would be "nothing" without their best player. OKC wouldn't be nearly as good without KD, Bulls wouldn't be nearly as good without Rose, the Magic would suck dick without Howard, etc. But the Knicks are on a 6 game W streak without Melo hahahha

but yeah.. You get the point.

and he isn't doing it singlehandedly. Pau and Bynum play a big role in the Lakers wins... and when they lose, it's usually because they weren't involved enough. Even though Kobe scored 30+.

and I don't put much stock into his injury. He was shooting over 45% a couple of weeks ago, which is pretty good. He's had a pretty bad FEB. which has brought his FG% down, but I don't think it's because of his wrist.. or else he would have been shooting this poorly back in december and early Jan.

and I'm not saying Kobe shouldn't be mentioned at all, I'm just surprised people have him so high on their lists. Didn't couple people say he's #1 right now?

idk.. he's not in my top 3. Maybe not top 5 either.