Williams Promoted: Hahn Promoted As Well To GM

[Gunzaan]

Citing Cashman is just poor, anyone could be a great GM if your task is to sign all the great players with unlimited pockets and trade for everyone knowing your prospects are over hyped.

IF you can't see how you're being joehawks, I think you're past the point of no return.

Not really, you are being short sighted (damn it is hard to keep up with all of this on a phone!!). The Sox have been in the top 10 or top 7 in payroll for the last 10 years, so money hasn't been a total obstacle. Maybe cashman was extreme, but the point was Giradi is a horrible manager and they still succeed.... Because the core players produce. That is on the GM.

And seriously, **** you for comparing me to joe. You and I don't agree, so be it, but to compare me to that tard is plain insulting. You can't have a disagreement on a message board without extreme insults? That just means you lose.

 

[Gunzaan]

Again, you're not reading, I have said KW is to blame, just not everything. I don't see how that is blaming everyone but KW.

I disagree with you on the managers input. Stupid managing cost us wins. Ozzie and Manuel cost us wins. Ozzie and Manuel weren't KW's guys. 2001-2011 not Kenny's fault. Ozzie won us 2005, and 2008. I don't give KW credit for those. I give Ozzie credit for those. I've always gave Oz credit for 05. Look around in the archives, its there.

And no Gunz, I have yet to see you blame anyone but KW. Oh, sure, you said Ozzie was a bad manager. But you blame KW for bad managers he didn't want running the team into the ground.

So 2001 to 2011 isn't KWs fault because of managers? That is basically his whole regime... Completely blamed on managers he could of fired at ANY time. He is the boss of said managers. Okay..... Lol.

 

[nickofypres]

Look, man, I'm not arguing hasn't been well spent, and I think for the most part it has, but there has been bad deals and contracts. I'm arguing the team has been the best in the division but has yet to perform because of the managing.

And to be fair, you'd really have to be a **** up to not win with the Yankees. But I'd bet Ozzie could do it. He'd have Tex or Arod bunt.

And I'm sorry for comparing you to Joehawk. That was a bit extreme and uncalled for.

 

[Gunzaan]

And as I've stated, GMs have MUCH more to do with a teams success then managers do... Baseball is unique in that fashion.

 

[nickofypres]

So 2001 to 2011 isn't KWs fault because of managers? That is basically his whole regime... Completely blamed on managers he could of fired at ANY time. He is the boss of said managers. Okay..... Lol.

Its hard to blame KW. 2001-2003 Poor managing by Jerry.
2004 and 2007 Injuries. Not really Kenny or Ozzie's fault.
2005 & 2008 all on Ozzie. KW did is job, Ozzie did his job, but Ozzie got them to the playoffs. That's on ozzie.
2006, 2009, 2010, and 2011 are on Ozzie. Poor decisions, vendettas, shitty line-ups. Teams were built to win, Ozzie led them to failure.

 

[Gunzaan]

Look, man, I'm not arguing hasn't been well spent, and I think for the most part it has, but there has been bad deals and contracts. I'm arguing the team has been the best in the division but has yet to perform because of the managing.

And to be fair, you'd really have to be a **** up to not win with the Yankees. But I'd bet Ozzie could do it. He'd have Tex or Arod bunt.

And I'm sorry for comparing you to Joehawk. That was a bit extreme and uncalled for.

Hey bud, we are all Sox fans and just want the best... If anything, I appreciate both our passions. We love OUR team. It is just different opinions . I hope KW and Hahn thrive in their new roles, if true. Let's just make sure its 3 playoffs in 12 years... It will make it worth it for this year

 

[Gunzaan]

Although, I will say, I think the basis of our disagreement has to do with the manager... I believe that the GM and the farm system (depth) is more important, and you believe the day-to-day and managing the bullpen is more important.... Its all good

 

[nickofypres]

Its all perspective I guess.

 

[Gunzaan]

I don't know how to "thank you" from my phone, but I would if I could!!

I'm still waiting the wrath of Dews, but I doubt anything he has to say differs from your well-stated points. To me personally, 12 years and 2 playoffs is still a disappointment.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Site was alot better when you were gone Gunz. Calling me a tard. Oh man, i'm hurt now. :clap:

 

[whitesoxman77]

Really happy with this, hopefully can form a Theo/Jed tandem like the Cubs


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[DewsSox79]

And btw, you give baseball managers waaaaay too much credit for their influence. Out of the 4 major sports, they by far have the least impact on their team. Baseball has very little game planning or strategy (except for starting pitchers vs batters) compared to other sports... And thats the pitching coach anyway.

I also don't fully understand your point about the farm system & money spent into it. I know players are signed, but don't you think draft picks should be higholy successful? That is hardly the case with KW. Sure, he has had a few, like Sale this year, but there have been far more disappointing draft classes under KW then successful ones.

well lets look at what is here from the farm: drafts, talent that the sox saw from other teams, international etc

beckham
ramirez
morel-sucks
viciedo-(23 years old)
de aza
sale
danks-in deal with mccarthy and we got masset who was flipped for griffey
floyd
reed
jones
quintana
veal

kw sucks

 

[DewsSox79]

Really happy with this, hopefully can form a Theo/Jed tandem like the Cubs


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no. just no.

 

[DewsSox79]

lol. some people continue to miss the point and focus on the playoff appearences without looking at the variables. unreal.

 

[brett05]

This is a good move. KW can take some pressure off of the day to day moves. Rick now will e in charge of those. KW will have input but given that Hahn has stayed put I think "Solo" gets the last say in trades and draft picks.

While I like the youth at the major league roster for the most part, I am really hoping we can start to develop guys from within instead of trying to get every possible major league prospect to the majors in attempts of sorts "to learn on the job."

 

[Gunzaan]

well lets look at what is here from the farm: drafts, talent that the sox saw from other teams, international etc

beckham
ramirez
morel-sucks
viciedo-(23 years old)
de aza
sale
danks-in deal with mccarthy and we got masset who was flipped for griffey
floyd
reed
jones
quintana
veal

kw sucks

The only ones from that list worth bragging about are Sale. MAYBE De Aza, maybe Jones, maybe Quintana, maybe Veal. The rest of the guys on the list are average to below average.

I could also name a bunch of guys, McCarthy, Gio Gonzalez, etc., that were traded away and now flourishing.

Bottom line: 2 playoffs in 12 years... In the worst division in baseball. Yikes.

 

[Gunzaan]

But that seems to be Kenny's MO, just on a smaller scale. Instead of competing with the tough teams in the AL East for the last 12 years, Kenny is competing with the terrible AL Central for the last 12 years, outspending everyone else in that god-awful division, and still making the playoffs only 2 times while watching the Minnesota Twins dominate them for much of the time. At least Cashman wins. If the roles were reversed, Kenny Williams would be spending $300 million a year and watching the Toronto Blue Jays win the division.

Atleast someone gets it! *clap*

 

[Capt. Serious]

I find it hilarious that you bring me into a conversation that I had nothing to do with.

Do I get under your skin that much brah?

 

[DewsSox79]

Atleast someone gets it! *clap*

gets what? i just see another poster using blinders for every season that the team failed to make the playoffs disregarding every other variable to each year. but keep reaching boys! the posts remind me of bernstein, focus on one thing, use misdirection and ignore all other variables. let me guess...rory will start calling names now and PMing FT for support. wait for it, its coming.


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[Gunzaan]

gets what? i just see another poster using blinders for every season that the team failed to make the playoffs disregarding every other variable to each year. but keep reaching boys! the posts remind me of bernstein, focus on one thing, use misdirection and ignore all other variables. let me guess...rory will start calling names now and PMing FT for support. wait for it, its coming.


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Oh stop that kind of talk. I don't agree with you, so my opinions aren't valid now? I'm sorry if 2 playoff appearences in 12 years is cool with you. If you presented evidence that I agreed with to why it is the manager's fault, instead of KW, I would change my opinion, but as I've stated, I feel that baseball managers don't impact their team nearly as much as the GM does, fellow White Sox fan!

I respect your opinions. I don't agree with them in this case, but I respect them. I place a majority of the blame on the GM, you place it on the former managers. It's no big deal