Williams Promoted: Hahn Promoted As Well To GM

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I think, like the players on the field, the brass, ownership, and managers/coaches are a team. And if they win, its a team effort, and if they lose its a team loss.

Look man, everyone's at fault. I don't know what you want from me. KW should have built teams with more depth, Ozzie shouldn't have been a Special person, and JR should have ended the rivalry when it got out of hand the first time.

I actually started to agree with you...and its still not good enough?

I don't need agreement, I just want people to see how bad KW has failed. I agree, he is only part of the blame, but he hasn't done his part. In fact, I agree with your assessment of KW/JR/Ozzie, etc.
 

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I don't need agreement, I just want people to see how bad KW has failed. I agree, he is only part of the blame, but he hasn't done his part. In fact, I agree with your assessment of KW/JR/Ozzie, etc.

That's the spirit.
 

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That's fine, but I don't know your perspective because it isn't 100% explained :)

Well, like I said earlier, I think the manager has more to do with the game because he sends the runners, tells them to bunt, makes the line up, changes pitcher. At the same time, you can only work with that your given, but its about using what you have correctly. For example: Ohman was a LOOGY, but Robin used him about RHH and got shelled. KW gave us the LOOGY, but Robin didn't capitalize.

But again, at the end of the day, everyone is to blame.
 

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Well, like I said earlier, I think the manager has more to do with the game because he sends the runners, tells them to bunt, makes the line up, changes pitcher. At the same time, you can only work with that your given, but its about using what you have correctly. For example: Ohman was a LOOGY, but Robin used him about RHH and got shelled. KW gave us the LOOGY, but Robin didn't capitalize.

But again, at the end of the day, everyone is to blame.

Fair enough, I guess. We agree to disagree. Robin has made horrible decisions in the past month, but I see it as the GMs fault. It isn't like Ventura is asking veterans in the bullpen to shut people down... He is making educated guesses about rookies.

Players play the game, moreso in baseball because there is very little stategy in the game when compared to other sports.
 

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Moral of the story: I'm excited for the Hahn era.

Big SABR guy, supposedly.
 

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Moral of the story: I'm excited for the Hahn era.

Big SABR guy, supposedly.

I hope you are right!!!! I really do. Unfortunatly, I just see a KW pawn, which means 1 or 2 playoffs in the next 10 to 15 years. Hope I'm wrong!
 

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I don't think KW is going to be that hands on for Hahn. Why would Hahn stay here and be pawn when he could go somewhere else and GM?

I doubt its another GarPax. Kenny is one of JR's guys, so I think its JR's way of removing him from transactions without having to fire KW. Remember, KW offered to resign after last year. KW has also said that he's starting to get health issues from GMing.

I think its safe to assume that Hahn will be in control. Yeah, KW is the President of baseball operations, or whatever, but I think Hahn is the guy now.
 

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I hope your right, but I'll believe it when I see it :)
 

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All I know is this team has alot of work to do this winter.
 

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Fitting end to the Williams era. A second place finish, no farm system to speak of, aging veterans who need to be resigned at high salaries because there are no replacements, and big question marks for the upcoming season.

Shouldnt you be more focused on your 100 loss team.

The team that has no veterans to trade to get prospects back.

The team that has brett jackson and Vitters being busts

The team that has zero starting pitching anywhere ( oh but vizcaino is a sure thing right? )

The team who has a VP that was successfull because he had unlimited money to spend, that same VP that Cherington cleaned up for.
 

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Shouldnt you be more focused on your 100 loss team.

The team that has no veterans to trade to get prospects back.

The team that has brett jackson and Vitters being busts

The team that has zero starting pitching anywhere ( oh but vizcaino is a sure thing right? )

The team who has a VP that was successfull because he had unlimited money to spend, that same VP that Cherington cleaned up for.

The only reason you responded with a bunch of Cubs crap is because everything he said is right. The future, both for the major league team & the farm system, looks really bleak right now for the Sox. Thanks, KW!
 

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The only reason you responded with a bunch of Cubs crap is because everything he said is right. The future, both for the major league team & the farm system, looks really bleak right now for the Sox. Thanks, KW!

The reason why I responded with a bunch of "cubs crap" is because he is a cubs fan.

I see you are on the new "trend" of having to have a stellar farm system.

Sorry Id rather sign FAs and spend money on proven players than to try to bank on a lot of unknowns. I could care less about Birmingham and Charlotte and how they do. I care about the MLB team.

but itz all KWz fault and stuffz
 

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The reason why I responded with a bunch of "cubs crap" is because he is a cubs fan.

I see you are on the new "trend" of having to have a stellar farm system.

Sorry Id rather sign FAs and spend money on proven players than to try to bank on a lot of unknowns. I could care less about Birmingham and Charlotte and how they do. I care about the MLB team.

but itz all KWz fault and stuffz

I think you have to care though. The new landscape that was partially driven by the CBA changes and by the changes in GM philosophy and baseball knowledge are making it less likely that elite free agents come on the market, while the teams are keeping their best players with team-friendly extensions or at the very least, paying them slightly less than what the open market might dole out. I don't know much about your team's ownership situation or how much they actually want to spend, but looking at the free agent lists coming up, I wouldn't get too excited about what you have to choose from unless by some grace of the baseball gods you land a guy like Zack Greinke or maybe Josh Hamilton. And Hamilton is on the wrong side of 30.

I would argue that the farm is something that you should absolutely care about, though you shouldn't shun signing free agents to plug in the holes.
 

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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/j...e-but-then-comes-three-tough-free-agent-calls

Hahn will ascend to the GM job on the South Side, but then comes three tough free-agent calls

The White Sox will soon promote their top two front office people, Ken Williams and Rick Hahn, sources confirmed, and the new GM Hahn has some big tasks immediately ahead.

Williams will become the new team president under the new arrangement with the well-regarded Hahn ascending to become the team's general manager. In the new set-up, according to people familiar with the situation Hahn will not just be the GM in title but will in fact be the main baseball decisionmaker.

Williams is a very strong personality so he'll surely have his say in baseball matters, but people familiar wikth the arrangement say the plan was for Hahn, who has degrees from the University of Michigan, Harvard and Northwestern, to do a little more scouting this year to add to his well-rounded baseball resume. Hahn is already an experienced administrator and negotiator from years as Williams' top assistant. The change has been anticipated for years.

Williams and Hahn have declined to confirm the coming change, except for Williams to tell the Chicago Tribune this week that nothing would happen this week as he wanted time to "clear my head.''

Judging by some issues that lie ahead, Hahn's the one who needs the time. The White Sox's $96-million payroll may rise a bit this year after it was pared last year with the move of Mark Buehrle to the Marlins (though a playoff berth would have just about ensured an increase), but Hahn will have some very tough calls.

Three prominent players who have a chance to become free agents are surely near the top of the new GM's agenda. And the White Sox will try to keep all three: catcher A.J. Pierzynski, pitcher Jake Peavy and third baseman Kevin Youkilis. Here's a rundown of these decisions ...

1. Pierzynski. He returned at an incredible bargain last time ($8 million, two years) but he likely stands to receive a contract that's double that this time after having his best power season in 2012: maybe $16 million for two years. The Dodgers actually bid higher than the White Sox last time, and it's not harder to imagine someone outbidding them again considering the paucity of quality catching around the majors. One advantage is that Pierzynski loves being a White Sox, and he and team owner Jerry Reinsdorf are very close.

2. Peavy. The White Sox have understandably decided not to pick up his $22-million option for 2013 after Peavy's excellent season, so they'll owe him the $4-million buyout. They'l hope to fold that into a new deal, presumably on a deal of about two years. But with half the teams in baseball seeking a frontline starter, they will have a lot of competition. Peavy likes new manager Robin Ventura (no way he'd have stayed if Ozzie Guillen was still the manager), his teammates and Chicago. But he also liked the West Coast very much. He's moved back home from San Diego to Alabama, but friends wouldn't be shocked if he went back to the West Coast, perhaps to the Dodgers, who have money and a pitching need. The guess here is, if the White sox can compete financially, he stays. But that's a big question.

3. Youkilis. The White Sox plan not to pick up his $13-million option, either, and instead buy him out for $1 million. But they absolutely loved how Youkilis fit into their lineup, and especially their clubhouse. The guess is, they try to keep him on a two-year deal at a lower rate, pehaps something along the lines of the Pierzynski guess, $15 million for two years. The Phillies or one of a few other times would fit Youkilis, as well. But the guess here is, he stays.
 

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Agreed.

Peavy is 50/50, IMO.
 

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I think Youklis is the only guy the Sox have a chance of keeping. Pierzynski will probably get a ridiculous contract, his numbers will immediately drop, and he will be among the most overpaid players in the league. Peavy is interesting, because he basically stole money from the White Sox at the front end of his contract. Perhaps he feels guilty and decides to stick with the White Sox for two more years? Doubtful.

majority of his contract was paid back due to an insurance policy the padres took out on him and was transferable to the sox. doubt he takes a discount.
 

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I think Youklis is the only guy the Sox have a chance of keeping. Pierzynski will probably get a ridiculous contract, his numbers will immediately drop, and he will be among the most overpaid players in the league. Peavy is interesting, because he basically stole money from the White Sox at the front end of his contract. Perhaps he feels guilty and decides to stick with the White Sox for two more years? Doubtful.

I hope Hahn stays away from AJ for this very reason. Maybe he'll go to Tampa (if they can shell out "enough" dough to satisfy him).
 

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See i can take the KW disagreements, but this type of shit is really fucking stupid. this type of opinion is indeed rare, but when it comes up i feel like punching fans that go with the "trends" of the "right way" of doing things at the current moment, which changes year to year.

2 good baseball minds working together... What's wrong with that?


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