World Cup?

[CODE_BLUE56]

No excuse for Neymar's theatrics. He has immense skill. He gets fouled a lot, and the guy who deliberately stepped on his foot, while out of play, play stopped, is a bigger asshole, let's be honest.

Feigning pain has become part of the sport. It's coached. It sucks, I agree, but there are aspects of all sports like this, where players push the boundaries. There is far more good play in soccer than there is poor sportsmanship. Instances like this blow it up beyond proportion.

FTR, I hate this aspect of soccer, and wish they would do something about it. I would be a bigger fan without it, but it's not as prevalent as many here let on. And I don't let it ruin the entire game.

How do FIFA and most futbol leagues currently handle it?

I think they should adopt a rule similar to the NBA. Give out a yellow card if caught flopping. If caught after the game, fine them.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

How do FIFA and most futbol leagues currently handle it?

I think they should adopt a rule similar to the NBA. Give out a yellow card if caught flopping. If caught after the game, fine them.

They are starting to do that in some leagues. They know the fans don't like it.

I had always thought they should try some NBA type rules. No over and back, and maybe a shot clock. Another aspect of the game I am not fond of where a team with a lead can take the ball down to the opponents' zone, pass it around for ages and eventually all the way back to the other end to their own goalie.

But to me these are minor quibbles. Not enough to ruin the game for me, as the screaming in tennis has ruined watching professional tennis for me.

 

[dweebs19]

eh...not a fan of the shotclock thing. We wouldn't have Spain's tiki taka if soccer had a shot clock.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

eh...not a fan of the shotclock thing. We wouldn't have Spain's tiki taka if soccer had a shot clock.

Why do you say that? Obviously with a bigger playing surface, and more players, it wouldn't be as short a shot clock as the NBA.

 

[KoreanBear]

They should just allow time stoppage in the last fifteen minutes if someone is "hurt" instead if giving extra time at the end. Thjs should minimize it some what. Then, like someone said above, fine the player after game if reviewd to be faking.

 

[xer0h0ur]

They are starting to do that in some leagues. They know the fans don't like it.

I had always thought they should try some NBA type rules. No over and back, and maybe a shot clock. Another aspect of the game I am not fond of where a team with a lead can take the ball down to the opponents' zone, pass it around for ages and eventually all the way back to the other end to their own goalie.

But to me these are minor quibbles. Not enough to ruin the game for me, as the screaming in tennis has ruined watching professional tennis for me.

I don't think you understand just how wrong it is to introduce a shot clock in soccer. Furthermore this is a worldwide sport you're talking about. You would be fracturing the sport by introducing a shot clock in ANY league because I can 100% guarantee you that it wouldn't get widespread adoption at all.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Why do you say that? Obviously with a bigger playing surface, and more players, it wouldn't be as short a shot clock as the NBA.

Its how soccer has always been played. Want the ball? Go and fucking get it. You're not entitled to getting it back.

 

[xer0h0ur]

They should just allow time stoppage in the last fifteen minutes if someone is "hurt" instead if giving extra time at the end. Thjs should minimize it some what. Then, like someone said above, fine the player after game if reviewd to be faking.

IMO if you're trying to shut down that injury faking crap then there should be a rule forcing said "injured" player off the field for a given amount of time. That will stop that shit quick fast and in a hurry because teams don't want to be playing down one man on the field.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Not a fan of a soccer shot clock either. It's much less difficult to keep possession of a basketball than a soccer ball in terms of how both games are played. Basketball had issues of teams strategically holding the ball for a ridiculous amount of time and making it hard to watch(e.g. The Four Corners with Dean Smith), I don't think you see that as much with soccer, even with teams that are more "possession-oriented".

 

[dweebs19]

IMO if you're trying to shut down that injury faking crap then there should be a rule forcing said "injured" player off the field for a given amount of time. That will stop that shit quick fast and in a hurry because teams don't want to playing down one man on the field.

This, I can agree with. If the person is "injured", have them be out for at least 2 minutes or something. That will cut down on the faking.

 

[remydat]

What Neymar did is the exact reason why I could never get into soccer. What a fucking pathetic *****. That shit just should not be accepted, yet soccer seems to put up with it.

He does this shit all the time and it ticks me off. He's one of the most overrated soccer players IMO. I get it. Some of the best players like Cristiano do it too but damn..even they dont take it to Neymar level. Neymar is a fucking joke

While I agree that I hate diving, the fundamental issue is the inconsistent refereeing. Persistent fouls should result in yellow cards and stepping on anyone's ankle is suppose to be an automatic red card.

Also tough to compare Neymar to Ronaldo or Messi. Ronaldo is a naturally bigger and stronger athlete and Messi is much stockier and stout. Neymar is frail as **** and gets fouled more than both of them. He is by far the most fouled player in the World Cup thus far.

Further he was knocked out of last year's world cup on a foul that did not result in a card and he got stepped on intentionally against Mexico and there was not even a yellow card much less red. When you have a frail player constantly fouled and those fouls aren't carded then you get said player whining like a *****.

There needs to be a re-emphasis on the fact that if the same player is getting fouled constantly by a team that the yellow and red cards should follow. Then if said player is still whining like a ***** then give him a yellow or red card. However, nothing is going to be solved if only one side of that equation is addressed without the other.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Its how soccer has always been played. Want the ball? Go and fucking get it. You're not entitled to getting it back.

wat?

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

Not a fan of a soccer shot clock either. It's much less difficult to keep possession of a basketball than a soccer ball in terms of how both games are played. Basketball had issues of teams strategically holding the ball for a ridiculous amount of time and making it hard to watch(e.g. The Four Corners with Dean Smith), I don't think you see that as much with soccer, even with teams that are more "possession-oriented".

I kind of agree. I was just spitballing with the shot clock idea. But what about the over and back?

 

[number51]

Not a fan of a soccer shot clock either. It's much less difficult to keep possession of a basketball than a soccer ball in terms of how both games are played. Basketball had issues of teams strategically holding the ball for a ridiculous amount of time and making it hard to watch(e.g. The Four Corners with Dean Smith), I don't think you see that as much with soccer, even with teams that are more "possession-oriented".

Soccer is unwatchable. Sorry.

[video=youtube;qjp1Zrvn8VQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjp1Zrvn8VQ[/video]

 

[remydat]

The easiest thing to do is to just stop the clock when the ball is dead. If the game is stopped because a ball is knocked out of play or due to an injury then you just stop the clock. You then start it back up which a player plays it back in bounds. That would be a lot easier than this nebulous concept of added time where you have no ability to track how the timekeeper keep track of things.

 

[dweebs19]

While I agree that I hate diving, the fundamental issue is the inconsistent refereeing. Persistent fouls should result in yellow cards and stepping on anyone's ankle is suppose to be an automatic red card.

Also tough to compare Neymar to Ronaldo or Messi. Ronaldo is a naturally bigger and stronger athlete and Messi is much stockier and stout. Neymar is frail as **** and gets fouled more than both of them. He is by far the most fouled player in the World Cup thus far.

Further he was knocked out of last year's world cup on a foul that did not result in a card and he got stepped on intentionally against Mexico and there was not even a yellow card much less red. When you have a frail player constantly fouled and those fouls aren't carded then you get said player whining like a *****.

There needs to be a re-emphasis on the fact that if the same player is getting fouled constantly by a team that the yellow and red cards should follow. Then if said player is still whining like a ***** then give him a yellow or red card. However, nothing is going to be solved if only one side of that equation is addressed without the other.

I agree with you that consistent refereeing is probably the only thing that can fix the problem. Neymar does get fouled, but he doesn't need to act like he's about to die everytime he get fouled. If I were the opposing coach, my strategy would be to foul him because he already has a reputation of diving. Most likely the ref won't call all the fouls. If he gets fouled, the other team shuold be punished...just as Neymar should be punished every time he dives and rolls around for 30 minutes.

As far as the Mexican stepping on his ankle. I believe it has to be intentional for it to be a red card. I doubt it was intentional because that same player was also stepping on the ref's toes and he didn't go flailing around like Neymar. Nobody said the Mexican player didn't step on him, but Neymar didn't need to act like he was just stabbed in the leg. The dude is overdramatic. He stops the dramatics and tries to stay up like Messi, nobody will get on his case.

 

[ruprecht]

Or they could just stop flopping. Which by they way, is prevalent.

 

[remydat]

Just about every commenter I have seen said it was a red card most of whom also said Neymar's behavior was disgusting. You can't come over bend down to pick up the ball and then spike a guy while clearly looking down and then claim it was unintentional.

I think you are putting the chicken before the egg. The field is 70-80 yards wide and 110-120 yards long. The ball is constantly moving. It is very difficult for a ref to see everything and the point of exaggerating is to make sure the ref or linesman see what you want them to see. Exaggeration is the result of fouls being routinely missed and a necessary part of the game given how easy it is for something to be missed and goals are hard to come by. The distinction for me is whether the contact was actually real and a legit foul vs it being a phantom. Neymar remains a ***** for how ridiculous his exaggeration was but it was a clear foul that was missed on a leg that just caused him to miss 3 months.

Finally if Messi can stay up and still make a play then he should but Neymar doesn't have that strength. If contact causes him to lose his chance to score, it is in his team's best interest to go down. An offensive player is not obligated to play through a clear foul and it would be dumb for him to do so unless he is convinced there is still a clear scoring chance.

Think it was the Sweden game where a Swiss player was clearly fouled in the box, he stayed up and the commenters praised him for doing so, scoring chance was lost, no penalty and his team is now home watching the rest of the world cup.

 

[remydat]

[video=youtube;zJAT4e7eh2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAT4e7eh2Y[/video]

This is why people dive and exaggerate. This play was even subject to VAR and yet no penalty was rewarded. That is just insane.

 

[KoreanBear]

The easiest thing to do is to just stop the clock when the ball is dead. If the game is stopped because a ball is knocked out of play or due to an injury then you just stop the clock. You then start it back up which a player plays it back in bounds. That would be a lot easier than this nebulous concept of added time where you have no ability to track how the timekeeper keep track of things.

I do agree that they need to stop the clock when the ball is dead, but only during the last 15 min or so. The best thing about soccer is that it's viewed for 90 minutes and not 3 hours. I don't think they would mess with that.