Yall still love King Poles?

[greg23]

There were plenty of voices in the media saying he should draft Young and trade Fields in 2023 so wouldnt say trading the pick was an easy decision.

He made the trade about 30 seconds after the 2023/24 off season began

Sounds like a pretty easy decision

 

[remydat]

Your comment was pure opinion lmao

It not being an easy decision is opinion sure. The fact that several people advocated the Bears take Young is fact.

 

[Icculus]

Yeah Gordon is probably the first guy you mention. The sample size with Darnell Wright drops him. There’s Rome Odunze but it’s not rocket science with that pick.

Long story short, Poles has not shown that he’s the guy to “sustain success” as he preached day 1. If it’s been this hard for him while literally being able to go BPA for two years with extra draft cap and no qb to pay, what is he going to do when it actually gets tough?

Doesn’t really matter tho, he’s not going anywhere anytime soon. The only thing George hates more than hiring coaches is hiring GMs. He’ll either turn it around or set them back another decade. This is our eternal reality.

If this season keeps reminding us of the 2014 season with the way the team is blowing games combined with players calling out imbeciles coaching left and right and constant team meetings, then Flus will definitely have to look for another coordinator job and Poles MIGHT need to start looking for a scouting position with the Falcons.

 

[MDB111™]

I doubt Montgomery or Mooney ever had any intention of re-signing in Chicago, but both are good players that he let walk.

He proceeds to trade a 4th for Keenan Allen. I would’ve much rather just kept Mooney and the 4th round pick.

Then they go and sign swift, who has been okay I guess? Nothing too special. They also have inexplicably stopped using Herbert. Why not spend that money elsewhere or just hold onto Montgomery?

Same thing with letting roquan go. I was fine with the decision assuming they spend that money on DL or OL. What does poles do? He goes and spends a huge chunk on Tremaine Edmund’s. I mean why? He’s been trash to mediocre.

These moves all make 0 sense. Poles is a complete buffoon

What came of the Roquan trade? Who'd they get?

 

[Les Grossman]

It not being an easy decision is opinion sure. The fact that several people advocated the Bears take Young is fact.

Which doesn't really matter one bit. "Several" people lol. Next you're gonna add weight to CCS members advocated for the Bears to take Young.

 

[remydat]

Which doesn't really matter one bit. "Several" people lol. Next you're gonna add weight to CCS members advocated for the Bears to take Young.

Not CCS but the media.

 

[SugarWalls]

What came of the Roquan trade? Who'd they get?

Well they kept that 2nd round pick that either turned into the pick used to move up and select tyrique or it turned into Gervon dexter

 

[Les Grossman]

Not CCS but the media.

And? LOL at you suggesting that NFL GMs make their decisions based on input from the media. Are you for f***ing real?

 

[remydat]

And? LOL at you suggesting that NFL GMs make their decisions based on input from the media. Are you for f***ing real?

You are claiming he should get little credit for the Panthers trade and I am explaining why he should. It wasnt as easy a decision as you are making it out to be.

Not like you have provided any evidence beyond because you said so.

 

[Les Grossman]

You are claiming he should get little credit for the Panthers trade and I am explaining why he should. It wasnt as easy a decision as you are making it out to be.

Not like you have provided any evidence beyond because you said so.

Well I never stated anything as fact like you as my statement was clearly my opinion on the matter. I think the general consensus was to trade the pick. Sure, there were idiots out there saying Bryce Young was gonna be Jesus on the football field, but there are always idiots out there.

 

[pseudonym]

Yes, but he should have fired Flus. I hope he does, in-season. If he fires him after the season, and gets Ben, I'll forgive him. If they draft OL with all three picks, that will help.

 

[remydat]

Well I never stated anything as fact like you as my statement was clearly my opinion on the matter. I think the general consensus was to trade the pick. Sure, there were idiots out there saying Bryce Young was gonna be Jesus on the football field, but there are always idiots out there.

Consensus based on what? I think you are overstating things. It was by no means the slam dunk to trade the pick.

 

[Bearey Palpatine]

I was neutral to Poles until this point but now... not sold on the guy.

He should have fired Eberflus the second he knew he was drafting Williams. Know no matter which way he goes it's lose lose. If he retains Eberflush for continuity common sense will tell you how that will end. If he fires Matt Ryan has continued the cycle that doomed the last two quarterbacks.

And regardless of whoever the coach is next year Poles has no idea how to build an offensive line for him. He hasn't neglected the line like some have said he is just so clueless finding linemen that he really thought the guys he brought in were solid to good players. He tried he's just abysmal at O-Line evaluation.

 

[napo55]

So far Poles record is 14 and 28. Not very impressive. He should be judged on results, so let's see how he finishes the season.

At this point he gets a "C" but could go way down or up depending on how the team performs. ,

 

[baselman1974]

Poles has been as bad evaluating WR as he has with the OL

His "hits"

Dj Moore (and that's more carolina declining to give him brown or burns and settling on dumping Moore vs poles nailing it)

Odunze (tossing him a bone for now)

His "misses"

Pick #32 traded for claypool
3rd round pick for VJJ
4th rounder traded for allen
4th round pick for Scott (guy can't get ahead of DeAndre carter isnt a good sign for his future)
7th rounder trade for Harry
Byron Pringle in FA
Letting Mooney walk
Not wr but he's added 2 "pass catching" TE who've been awful as well in tonyan and everett

A pretty piss poor waste of resources with little to show for it

Forgot about the miss on the OLine. It’s disgraceful.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

I'm out. The signs of Flus just not being a good game manager, along with how he's reached his ceiling and cant take the bears any further--were there, and Poles didn't fire him when he should have gotten it right and paired a new QB with a new coach. Instead, its just the same, dumb old franchise.

He hasn't taken the north back. He hasn't shown that he's learned ANYTHING from the guy he replaced. The bad moves have outweighed the good ones now. Building the team with the approach of trenches-last and boxing yourself in on talent because arm length matters more than the ability to block the guy in front of him has gone about as well as everybody with 2 functioning eyes has been saying since the last time this team won a championship. Giving away draft picks, even late ones--like candy on Halloween for OL from other teams and then never playing them. Bad trades for WRs. Making WRs the "strength" of the team and then running an offense that wont showcase any of them. His priorities have been questionable at best. You take a QB #1 overall and make WR3 more important than fixing your bottom 10 OL that's bottom 3 in the league right now. Hiring an OC whomst--not even HALFWAY into his first season--the embattled head coach says he's still allowed playcalling duties.

Even fleecing Carolina can't negate the ever-growing pile of mistakes he's made. And if this lockerroom is truly lost--then I don't want Poles to pick the next coach, as I flat out don't trust him to do anything different. He picked a mope, and when he had the chance to bail and get better, he hitched his wagon to said mope. But when a mope owner is driving the bus...I can't be surprised. Nothing changes, which is why I'll be wrong and Poles wont be fired when he should.

 

[hyatt151]

Or have we realized all he has done was take advantage of a stupid Panthers owner?

I love him so much that I hope the bears keep him around

 

[Sculpt]

Still like him. Not without his warts.

But he has built a team that - talent-wise - can compete for the playoffs.

In terms of players, he also moves on from mistakes quickly.

That's what you want from a GM.


However, if he retains Eberflus beyond this season, I will be out on him.


I am giving Poles the benefit of the doubt in that Eberflus was interviewed before Poles was, and there are enough red flags that, despite what has been said publicly about their relationship, I think ownership told Poles who to hire.

Poles can make the argument this offseason that Eberflus lost the team; an argument he couldn't make last season, where it was very much the opposite.

Honestly? It's entirely possible that Poles was out on Flus last season but ownership made Poles keep Flus another year.


I give Poles another head coach. But I want Warren involved as a buffer between ownership and Poles. Warren needs to tell ownership to butt out.

I don't think Flus is the main problem right now. It's Waldron, Williams and the OL.

Sure, he's made some bad game-time decisions, prevent D needs work... but not the main prob.

Bears' D have kept offenses to >21pts for a long time (18.6 '24). With this Offensive talent, Bears' O should be scoring at least 21 pts a game.

I think he should be DC, not HC, but still, not the main problem.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I don't think Flus is the main problem right now. It's Waldron, Williams and the OL.

Sure, he's made some bad game-time decisions, prevent D needs work... but not the main prob.

Bears' D have kept offenses to >21pts for a long time (18.6 '24). With this Offensive talent, Bears' O should be scoring at least 21 pts a game.

I think he should be DC, not HC, but still, not the main problem.

But he IS the problem. A huge one.

Not only is he terrible at in-game situational play calling and challenges, he is losing the team because of a lack of accountability; an accountability the players were practically BEGGING for post "Fail Mary" in the media.

Waldron and the O-line are serious issues as well.

The thing is, none of these things can be fixed until the offseason.

But when we hit the offseason, Eberflus needs to go, and once we get a new HC, we need to bolster the line immediately this offseason.

 

[napo55]

But he IS the problem. A huge one.

Not only is he terrible at in-game situational play calling and challenges, he is losing the team because of a lack of accountability; an accountability the players were practically BEGGING for post "Fail Mary" in the media.

Waldron and the O-line are serious issues as well.

The thing is, none of these things can be fixed until the offseason.

But when we hit the offseason, Eberflus needs to go, and once we get a new HC, we need to bolster the line immediately this offseason.

How about the guy who hired him? Is teflon Poles exempt from any responsibility??