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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Sources: Lackey in agreement with #Cubs, two years, $32M-$34M, pending physical.
Not happy they got a washed up 37 year old picture on the cheap
let me guess David Ross will catch him too so they can be the fossil battery

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Going to wait and see, but at this moment I am not a fan. Short term answer, with no one in the minors ready to step up and giving up a 1st round. I would rather have a non QO player who is younger.

Time will tell how this plays out.
 

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Not happy they got a washed up 37 year old picture on the cheap
let me guess David Ross will catch him too so they can be the fossil battery

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It's not a bad price. They are basically paying him like a 2 fWAR pitcher which he was 2.4 the two years prior to last. If you get what he was last year or a little less he's a great value. Not sure I'd use the term washed up for the game one starter of the best team record wise in baseball last year.
 

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Going to wait and see, but at this moment I am not a fan. Short term answer, with no one in the minors ready to step up and giving up a 1st round. I would rather have a non QO player who is younger.

Time will tell how this plays out.

QO doesn't really do much for you in 2016. Additionally, it was the 27th pick and they likely are getting one back for Fowler. And really other than Leake there weren't a ton of options that don't cost you a pick. Plus, any trade costs you prospects who are more or less draft picks.

I mean the move isn't a home run but it's a solid single. Pretty hard for this sort of deal to go bad.
 

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QO doesn't really do much for you in 2016. Additionally, it was the 27th pick and they likely are getting one back for Fowler. And really other than Leake there weren't a ton of options that don't cost you a pick. Plus, any trade costs you prospects who are more or less draft picks.

I mean the move isn't a home run but it's a solid single. Pretty hard for this sort of deal to go bad.

The thing is Lackey excels in the play offs. And they needed a 3 not a 1-2.

Add to it. If they need a rental arm by the dead line they have the trade assets to make it happen.

I'm good with it. It leads me to believe that they will pay Jake.
 

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New we see how they address CF. I'll bet on Victerino. Another Boston connection. That way they can get some time in CF for Javi but not dependent on him.

If he blows up again Almora would be in AAA anyways.
 

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The Cubs will, however, continue to look for pitching depth, as Miles tweets.
Javier Baez will play at least some center field during winter ball, Miles tweets. Given the Cubs’ crowded infield, the ability to play center might provide Baez with a path to more playing time in the big leagues. (To this point, Baez has never played the outfield, either in the Majors or the minors.) Epstein says a platoon in center could be an option, as Rogers notes.
Epstein says the Cubs’ discussions with Jeff Samardzija “tastes great and is less filling,” Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times tweets. Earlier today, ESPN’s Jayson Stark wrote that the Cubs might be becoming uncomfortable with Samardzija’s price.
Along with starting pitching and and a center fielder / leadoff hitter type, Epstein didn’t discount the possibility of adding relievers, Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune tweets.
 

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago
Sources: Greinke in agreement with #DBacks, pending physical.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 56s56 seconds ago
greinke gets 6 yr dea with dbacks


Shit just hit the fan.... dodgers and giants are left fighting for Shark/Leake/Cueto
 

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Goes to show that players have no interest in signing with the Giants or Dodgers. That's the only possible explanation.
 

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well apparently Greinke has decided to continue to win nothing. BTW i don't think that with Lackey we've jumped closer to a WS, yes he is an improvement but not enough. I'm kinda disapointed, le'ts see if we can acquire a better pitcher via trading
 

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Goes to show that players have no interest in signing with the Giants or Dodgers. That's the only possible explanation.

Money could explain it. Other teams could have simply offered more.
 

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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 39s39 seconds ago
so LA offer was about 31M per year for 5 yrs. never felt comfortable going 6 for 32-yr-old pitcher.
 

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Ok, now that ive had a couple hours to chew on this
Im starting to be just ok with it, considering what available
and their price tag..
I just hope they still make a deal for another starter because i dont care for Hammel..

Im hearing the Cardinals are interested in Samardzija and we can forget about Heyward because he looking for a 10/300 deal and as much as id like him on Cubs, that crazy...
 

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QO doesn't really do much for you in 2016. Additionally, it was the 27th pick and they likely are getting one back for Fowler. And really other than Leake there weren't a ton of options that don't cost you a pick. Plus, any trade costs you prospects who are more or less draft picks.

I mean the move isn't a home run but it's a solid single. Pretty hard for this sort of deal to go bad.

I don't think we are going to agree here.

I don't like signing anyone with a QO to a 2 year deal. I especially don't like it when the guy signing the deal will probably be retiring after at the end of it This deal may only help them in 2016.


The last time Lackey was a FA and he signed a deal he had two consecutive bad years. His FA low salary deal this season was his best year since....well ever. He has had 3 total seasons under a 3.5 ERA and before this year his last one was 2007. He has had 4 seasons with an ERA over 4. His career ERA is 4. His career whip is 1.314. He has 2500 innings and these are his 37 and 38 year old seasons.

There is so much that can go wrong and it is such a short term play that it is not worth giving up the pick. lackey is no better than Leake or Kazmir over their careers and both of them don't cost a pick.

What if Lackey comes back retires a year early and the Cubs get one season out of him. What if he gets complacent like last time and kicks out a turd of a season. People act like Lackey has been some dominant pitcher throughout his career. He really hasn't. He has been an innings eater who carries a ~4 ERA.

I just don't think he gives you much more than Leake or Kazmir, but cost a pick and the Cubs will be looking to replace him in two years. This is a short term move that has a lot more risk associated with it than I like. Not having the pick risks getting someone who falls who could help them long term in a short period of time. 37 yeat old pitchers don't always perform as well as people think they will.

Moreover, a trade may cost players, but you won't get a 7 year old. You may get a younger pitcher who more cost controlled at a lower price for more years. Not really analogist at all.
 

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 52s52 seconds ago
Sources: Greinke deal is six years, $206M. Deferrals expected.
 

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I don't think we are going to agree here.

I don't like signing anyone with a QO to a 2 year deal. I especially don't like it when the guy signing the deal will probably be retiring after at the end of it This deal may only help them in 2016.

I mean what is your other option here? The cubs need a starter and they don't have the AAA options to just say "we're good." So, you're in a situation where you either have to sign someone or you have to make a trade. And sure, you'd prefer to trade for a younger player but if they are asking for say Soler and Baez both for Miller do you think that's fair value? And that's IF the teams actually want to move their younger pitcher.

If you don't like Lackey then fine but the OQ is just the cost of doing business. As for Leake/Kazmir, i mean maybe but we don't know what they are going to get and we don't know that they even want to go to the cubs. Supposedly leake wanted to go back to SF if I remember correctly. At the end of the day, JA Happ got like $13 mil a year. Pelfry got $8 mil/seaosn IIRC.

Lackey is unspectacular but consistently so. And I think you're underselling the length. Any contract is a risk whether your 37 or 29. So, shorter years is always better. As I said before, I don't love the QO part of him but the price is decent and I doubt you're going to find a similarly good pitcher for that price this offseason. If a 37 year old Lackey is $16 mil/season with a QO then you have to figure Leake is $18-19 and he's actually be worse results wise.
 

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Im hearing the Cardinals are interested in Samardzija and we can forget about Heyward because he looking for a 10/300 deal and as much as id like him on Cubs, that crazy...

Source? I've not seen this anywhere. I haven't seen anywhere talking about him even at $25 mil. Most have been $20 mil/season
 

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I mean what is your other option here? The cubs need a starter and they don't have the AAA options to just say "we're good." So, you're in a situation where you either have to sign someone or you have to make a trade. And sure, you'd prefer to trade for a younger player but if they are asking for say Soler and Baez both for Miller do you think that's fair value? And that's IF the teams actually want to move their younger pitcher.

If you don't like Lackey then fine but the OQ is just the cost of doing business. As for Leake/Kazmir, i mean maybe but we don't know what they are going to get and we don't know that they even want to go to the cubs. Supposedly leake wanted to go back to SF if I remember correctly. At the end of the day, JA Happ got like $13 mil a year. Pelfry got $8 mil/seaosn IIRC.

Lackey is unspectacular but consistently so. And I think you're underselling the length. Any contract is a risk whether your 37 or 29. So, shorter years is always better. As I said before, I don't love the QO part of him but the price is decent and I doubt you're going to find a similarly good pitcher for that price this offseason. If a 37 year old Lackey is $16 mil/season with a QO then you have to figure Leake is $18-19 and he's actually be worse results wise.

at the end of the day though you are not going to win the WS neither with Lackey or Leake, we needed Price or Greinke. I don't blame anyone because they got crazy money but this is the truth
 

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