2012 Cubs Draft Thread

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Only thing to add though is if they don't sign the first round pick they get a compensation pick next year, but they also lose that slot money from the pool to sign their top 10 picks. The first round pick is nearly half the money the Cubs have to spend on the first 10 picks, it is something like 3.2 million I believe. Again this is why I was pushing my crazy conspiracy theory about getting Almora to sign underslot to take a flyer on a high risk/high reward guy like Giolito, who may or may not be there in the supplemental round (I've seen mock drafts with him going as high as eighth to the Pirates.
 

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Only thing to add though is if they don't sign the first round pick they get a compensation pick next year, but they also lose that slot money from the pool to sign their top 10 picks. The first round pick is nearly half the money the Cubs have to spend on the first 10 picks, it is something like 3.2 million I believe. Again this is why I was pushing my crazy conspiracy theory about getting Almora to sign underslot to take a flyer on a high risk/high reward guy like Giolito, who may or may not be there in the supplemental round (I've seen mock drafts with him going as high as eighth to the Pirates.

Is that true for other rounds as well? I think the compensation in the old CBA for unsigned slots was only for the first three rounds, then a sandwich pick before the fourth round and that was it. I also thought slot money was transferrable from year to year. This is why someone has to do a Wiki of the new CBA :D
 

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All I know is that the slot money for the first round disappears from the pool if you don't sign the player. I am not sure if that applies to other rounds as well. As far as the CBA goes I will take a chunk, if you take a chunk ::shifty:
 

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The CBA is making me blow chunks.

Someone on FanGraphs of BtBS must have done a primer on this by now. I wonder if MLBTR did one a while back and I just totally missed it.
 

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If you can't find it, I will start wading through it tomorrow. I actually have the house to myself for a chunk of time tomorrow for the first time in months.
 

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If you can't find it, I will start wading through it tomorrow. I actually have the house to myself for a chunk of time tomorrow for the first time in months.

A lot of it is filler about workers comp and other crap that we don't care about. The part I do care about pertains to the draft, international free agent signings, and compensation in regards to draft picks and not player salaries. I also believe there's a pertinent section on the luxury tax threshold which is why the Yankees are trying to pare payroll.
 

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A lot of it is filler about workers comp and other crap that we don't care about. The part I do care about pertains to the draft, international free agent signings, and compensation in regards to draft picks and not player salaries. I also believe there's a pertinent section on the luxury tax threshold which is why the Yankees are trying to pare payroll.

Well if you give me the sections to really go through, I will start looking through that with greater details. Now if someone has already done that please find it because I would be fine with watching some of the archived games from the past few weeks that I haven't seen during that time.
 

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Well if you give me the sections to really go through, I will start looking through that with greater details. Now if someone has already done that please find it because I would be fine with watching some of the archived games from the past few weeks that I haven't seen during that time.

The problem is that when I tried to search for key words in the CBA the sections I thought would be there didn't actually show up. However if you type in "collective bargaining agreement" on MLB.com or on Google it'll get you to an article that summarizes the stuff that is sort of "general knowledge" now. It's just goofy to me that they'd summarize that stuff and it's not even in the epic PDF.
 

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All right sounds like quite the summer project.
 

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Or if you really want to just watch old baseball games, eventually someone else who actually gets paid to do this will write an article so we don't have to :D
 

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I have interest in doing it if no one else has. but if someone else has already done it why bother :shrug:
 

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I think it'll just take a few minutes of dedicated Googling but I'm doing another project at the moment.
 

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White Sox scouting director Doug Laumann told the Chicago Tribune's Dave Van Dyck he doesn't expect to find an immediate impact player in the draft. “It’s probably as thin as I've seen in a decade,” Laumann said. “We see that it's pretty thin right now in the college ranks."

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There saying one reason why College players bad is cause how teams have been overpaying highscool kids to stay out of college lately. But now with new CBA they expect more kids to go to school which will cause college players to be drafted alot better down the road
 

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There saying one reason why College players bad is cause how teams have been overpaying highscool kids to stay out of college lately. But now with new CBA they expect more kids to go to school which will cause college players to be drafted alot better down the road

That's not necessarily true. Unless the CBA drastically changes after this current term is up, the #1 pick is always going to get paid at a specific slot and if the kid decides to go to school instead of taking it, he's just going to get paid the same the next year and lose out on one year of compound interest.

Now if you're talking about overslot signings or whatever, then it's entirely possible that a kid picked in the 40th round will no longer be signed for way overslot and can improve his draft position in following seasons. But if that kid is that special and realizes that he could be making $X as a first-round pick and would only make making $100K more if he goes up a couple picks the next season...why would he wait? If he's that special he's going to get picked in the first round, possibly in the first ten picks, and the slot bonuses are set in stone with very little difference in between. There does exist the possibility he decides "Oh, gee, I think I'll hold out for that extra $100K" but with the specter of injury looming, makes sense to just take the money and run. If anything, without as much leverage by using the college game in negotiations, the college programs are going to suffer because high schoolers are more likely to take the money first and feel regret later.
 

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Its the kids like Dunston Jr, Maples etc. Cubs overpaid them big time last year to make sure they would sign rather go to college. Now teams cant do that.
 

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