A couple throw away seasons turning into sustained long term success...........

[Willrust]

Would love Choo cause I dont think he would command a lot of years. Even with his tremendous year so far, he shold be able to be had for 3 or 4 years. N yes, it is make or break for Jackson. Also, Theo told Stewart that Vitters is the third baseman of the future for the Cubs which I am not sure if he was blowing smoke or really believes that. I would venture to guess the first option.

Scott Boras is Choo's agent. You will start seeing things comparing Choo to Jayson Werth in terms of a contract demand.

 

[chibears55]

No guarantees that most here just assume the Cubs will be great in 2-5 years.

No guarantees that a couple on here just assume the cubs will suck for the next 2-5 yrs..

LMFAO.

Why don't you do us all a favor and call the Cubs front office and tell them this shit instead of us?

Because like we all should just start doing.. they would ignore him, laugh , and hang the phone up on his ass

Yes, it is. Only a fool would believe that the Cubs will refuse to sign FAs at any point of their rebuilding timeline. Its just a semantical circle-jerk on your part....saying the Cubs should build through the farm system doesn't also mean that the Cubs should not sign any FA.

that the whole jar right there.. its a revolving door with this guy on this subject..
which for now on in the future if its not on a different topic, i will simply not respond to anything he says.. We should all just ignore this ass clown on this subject

 

[SilenceS]

Scott Boras is Choo's agent. You will start seeing things comparing Choo to Jayson Werth in terms of a contract demand.

Bourn got 4 year 48 million. I will bet my left nut Choo gets no way where near 7 years and over a 100 million. He is about to be 31. He doesnt steal a lot and his power number are up for this year but will probably level off. How would he command that kind of contract? His OBP? He plays center but he isnt very good at it. He will most likely have to go to a corner. No way he get anywhere near Werth. Not in this market and not with the kind of player he is.

 

[KBisBack!]

Yes, it is. Only a fool would believe that the Cubs will refuse to sign FAs at any point of their rebuilding timeline. Its just a semantical circle-jerk on your part....saying the Cubs should build through the farm system doesn't also mean that the Cubs should not sign any FA.

Only the fact that MANY people have said the Cubs should not sign any FA until the entire core of the team is in place.

You missed that little detail.

Great job.

Wait, so Hendry didn't leave a full cupboard of talented players for Epstein? Sounds contradictory to what you've previously said about Hendry. Go figure.

You are an idiot.

I have said it wasn't totally empty like you and the rest of the #TheoSpankfest prefer to believe.

I know this is probably a little advanced for you to grasp, but there is a lot of area between empty and full.

 

[KBisBack!]

LMFAO.

Why don't you do us all a favor and call the Cubs front office and tell them this shit instead of us?

Because they probably already know it.

They also know there are a lot of idiots like you who will believe whatever is told them.

 

[KBisBack!]

No guarantees that a couple on here just assume the cubs will suck for the next 2-5 yrs..

The facts and history have shown that without significant FA acquisitions, the process of building a core through the farm takes about 10-12 years.

No one has said it is a guarantee they will suck for the next 10-12 years, just that is what has been shown to be historically accurate.

But you refuse to accept it.

 

[Boobaby1]

Scott Boras is Choo's agent. You will start seeing things comparing Choo to Jayson Werth in terms of a contract demand.

If the Cubs want Choo, they should never get beat out by the Reds of all people. Walt Jocketty runs them, and he is not known for giving long contracts to free agents. He is more about giving them the money by the extension process.

That said, if Choo's year continues like it is, he would be silly not to test the free agent market. I could see a 6 year 85 million contract given out by someone.

 

[Willrust]

Bullshit.

Machado played 50 games and barely hit .260.

And Detroit got much, much, much, much, much more significant contributions from high priced FA signings in Pudge, Magglio, Rogers etc.

You know, that pesky little BOTH thing you continue to ignore.



And for about the 1000 time you fucking moron, I DON'T CARE!.

I blame Ricketts equally.

Stop being a punk.




Unlike you who gets to pick and chose what they want??

I have said consistently that there is no reason that payroll should have been cut and yet you keep whining about it because you have no actual facts to counter what I have said.

You are clearly just being an asshole right now and deliberately ignoring main points I have made.

The Detroit Tigers had back to back 100+ loss season in 2002 & 2003! They also took 3 years after that to make the playoffs! Yet you have been on the Cubs front office since day 1. They also had a starting pitcher on their team that was pretty good in 2006? Oh, what was his name? How did they get him? That's right, fucking Justin Verlander, who they drafted #2 in 2004 because they were a fucking awful team in 2003. There is 1 BOTH that the Tigers had that the Cubs don't, revenue sharing money and a new stadium. Those 2 things allowed the Tigers the leeway to increase their 36M payroll from 1999 to their 138M payroll in 2008.

As to the Orioles; they brought in some lightning in a bottle FA's that clicked to go along with their mostly home grown core of Markakis, Weiters, Machado, Johnson, Matusz & Tillman along with guys they acquired through trades prior to 2012 like Davis, Reynolds, Jones, JJ Hardy & Hunter. Wei-Yin Chen is a Japanese League pitching import, and history has shown that these imports are typically solid for 1-2 years and then tend to tail off. Could be different iwith Chen, but history says something different. Jason Hammel was a victim of Coors Field. He has pitched solid for the O's; although his last 3 outings have been a bit rough. Nate Mclouth either found a unique Delorean or got some of that famous B12 from Palmiero & Tejada (please don't take that serious and quote it as a rational thought... it is a fucking joke ok!), but do you really think he will keep up his turn the clock back to 2008?

The Cubs have hit on some transactions as well, but you are too far up Theo's ass to give him credit for Maholm, Wood, Scheirholz, Feldman, Gregg, Camp (last year) and Rizzo.

As to your little meltdown over payroll going down, so have ticket prices since 2011 and so has attendance since 2008. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/attend.shtml

 

[chibears55]

The facts and history have shown that without significant FA acquisitions, the process of building a core through the farm takes about 10-12 years.

and you and a couple of your followers are the only ones thinking their NOT going to eventually start signing significant FAs

Just because they didnt take that route the first 2 off seasons doesnt mean their abandoning the notion of signing FAs that going to stick MORON..

so take your history and facts and shove it up your ass cause your talkn like a blowhard on here who has just one agenda and thats being a total ASS CLOWN

WOW you must be the kid everyone beat up.. how stupid can you be to think their not going to sign significant FAs sooner rather then later DUMBASS

that statement you just made right there just goes to show what your all about on here.. your a total moron and ass clown

 

[Willrust]

Bourn got 4 year 48 million. I will bet my left nut Choo gets no way where near 7 years and over a 100 million. He is about to be 31. He doesnt steal a lot and his power number are up for this year but will probably level off. How would he command that kind of contract? His OBP? He plays center but he isnt very good at it. He will most likely have to go to a corner. No way he get anywhere near Werth. Not in this market and not with the kind of player he is.

Bourn? You are talking about a 1 dimensional player, and that 1 dimension typically doesn't last past 32. Bourn got a contract very comparible to Victorino based upon their similar stats and you could bet your left nut that Boras used Victorino's deal as a comparison to what Bourn should get. I think you should go back and look at Choo's numbers compared to Werth:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/choosh01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/werthja01.shtml

Choo has a better AVG, OBP & SLG compared to Werth and will be 31 at the time of signing (Werth was 32 when he signed with Washington). Doesn't mean that Choo will get 7 years and $126M like Werth (because the Natinals had to overpay), just said that with Boras as his agent you will likely see them pushing the comparison and eventually a similar demand (perhaps 6 years right around 100M). You can also expect Boras to demand more than BJ Upton got (5 years at 75M).

 

[chibears55]

KBISBACK is an ASS CLOWN

 

[KBisBack!]

Again, you are playing a semantical game with this. Even if people said the Cubs should not sign any FA until the core is in place, that doesn't mean the Cubs will refuse to sign FAs in totality. Regardless, any normal person would have interpreted such a statement to mean that the Cubs shouldn't go after the high-priced FAs until they have a more competitive product on the field.

But I guess I have this "baseline" of baseball knowledge that you don't seem to have.

And still waiting for those high priced FAs can take 10-12 years waiting for it to happen from the farm system alone.

Doesn't change a thing at all.

No semantics at all.

 

[Willrust]

Only the fact that MANY people have said the Cubs should not sign any FA until the entire core of the team is in place.

You missed that little detail.

Great job.







You are an idiot.

I have said it wasn't totally empty like you and the rest of the #TheoSpankfest prefer to believe.

I know this is probably a little advanced for you to grasp, but there is a lot of area between empty and full.

You are seriously trying to pass off that people on this board have requested the Cubs NOT SIGN ANY FA UNTIL THE CORE OF THE TEAM IS IN PLACE?



That is a clown statement bro.

 

[KBisBack!]

and you and a couple of your followers are the only ones thinking their NOT going to eventually start signing significant FAs

Yawn.

Wrong.

There have been many people, as I have pointed out many times, that have said the Cubs should refrain from FA's until the team has a competitive core in place developed by the farm system.

THAT is what people have been saying and what I am responding to.

Sorry that seems far, far, far too complicated for you to understand.

Carry on your temper tantrum and sippy cup throwing.

 

[KBisBack!]

You are seriously trying to pass off that people on this board have requested the Cubs NOT SIGN ANY FA UNTIL THE CORE OF THE TEAM IS IN PLACE?

That is a clown statement bro.

It sure is a clown statement.

One that you have made repeatedly.

As you have repeatedly argued against the signing of any high price FA that has been brought up seeing as you claim the majority of the contract would be wasted until the team was ready to compete.

Your words, that all of the CBS people can verify.

 

[chibears55]

Yawn.

Wrong.

There have been many people, as I have pointed out many times, that have said the Cubs should refrain from FA's until the team has a competitive core in place developed by the farm system.

THAT is what people have been saying and what I am responding to.

Sorry that seems far, far, far too complicated for you to understand.

Carry on your temper tantrum and sippy cup throwing.

Holy Cow.. so know we have these OTHER people in your life that you have to set straight over and over and over about the needs of signing significant FAs and cant just do it from the farm alone.. OK your a genius to set them straight..
MOVE ON from them if they insist on telling you no they can win without doing that cause all it is is a revolving door of stupid arguments..

OR you can just continue and be the message board ASSCLOWN

 

[kchicub08]

What fun would a message board be if everyone was a sheep who agreed with everyone else?

I truly don't get that logic.

Some of us just feel(KB'S boys if you must) you can rebuild and reload simultaneously.

We ultimately blame the Ricketts family overall but just don't think Theo should get an entire free pass to put marginal talent out on the field with top five revenue..

Call me crazy I guess

 

[kchicub08]

I see you are an intelligent one....

 

[nwfisch]

But thats your own extreme interpretation of what was said, much like how your interpretation of "rebuilding mode" and "sustained success" were extreme.

Its like you end up arguing against yourself...thats kind of what I don't understand about you and Mt. Salami and the rest of your "crew"...did anyone actually converse on your old message board? Or did everyone hold conversations with themselves and then pat themselves on the back for sounding smart?

Lefty's back!

 

[chibears55]

Originally Posted by kchicub08
Some of us just feel(KB'S boys if you must) you can rebuild and reload simultaneously.

Holy Cow.. another one here to enlighten us .. LOL