A Top Ten System Before The Garza Trade

[DewsSox79]

Oh my god. Lee is a SS. Castro is a SS. How is Lee not blocked? A possible solution would be to move one of them.

Let's say we move Lee to 2B. Then his bat becomes even worse, although he could be a really stellar defender, his bat would be awful there.

Let's say we move Castro to 2B. His bat is no guarantee to hold up there either.
They both get their value at SS. We can only have 1 SS. Would you rather we gave up Castro? Didn't think so.

really? cmon now

 

[Jntg4]

really? cmon now

:shrug:

 

[The Bandit]

I can't believe this is still going on. When Archer or any of the specs we gave up do something at the major league level that warrants it you can gloat and bring it back up and when Garza wins more then 15 games as a Cub I can. Till then drop the deal

 

[Jntg4]

I can't believe this is still going on. When Archer or any of the specs we gave up do something at the major league level that warrants it you can gloat and bring it back up and when Garza wins more then 15 games as a Cub I can. Till then drop the deal

Dropping from 10th best to 20th best farm system for a #2 pitcher is a bad deal.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The plan was to move one, he wasn't BLOCKED, because they had a solution. All I'm saying.

You don't know that. You are making an assumption. They probably were going to move one, though. Doesn't mean it's the right move.

Not really, there are plenty of young #2 and #3 starters out there.

Like?

They gave up a higher value than they got back, I'll keep it that way.

Not really. We got a studly pitcher for a MINF with no power and a SP with big control issues and a couple other players who were blocked in the system.

really? cmon now

SS OPS'd over 25 points less than 2B. Castro's value completely comes as a SS. If you move him over to 2B, he is like a top 10 2B, but at SS, he can be top 3 pretty easily(in terms of OPS). Hak Ju Lee doesn't really provide much pop with the bat and it isn't as hard to find a 2B as it is a legit #2 SP.

Plus, this is if Lee even makes it to the big leagues and if he lives up to expectations, something I would bet against any day.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Dropping from 10th best to 20th best farm system for a #2 pitcher is a bad deal.

It's one guys opinion. And this is a really really really really awful way to gauge a trade.

 

[Jntg4]

I'm done arguing with apologists about this.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I'm done arguing with apologists about this.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Actually, stay in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

 

[Jntg4]

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Actually, stay in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

What do you want on your sandwich?

And it's not that I can't take an argument, it's just that these thoughts are too illogical for me. Wow, there is a #3 pitcher available, lets give up a huge chuck of our farm for him, since we decided he's better than Greinke. 0 sense.

 

[DewsSox79]

You don't know that. You are making an assumption. They probably were going to move one, though. Doesn't mean it's the right move.



Like?



Not really. We got a studly pitcher for a MINF with no power and a SP with big control issues and a couple other players who were blocked in the system.



SS OPS'd over 25 points less than 2B. Castro's value completely comes as a SS. If you move him over to 2B, he is like a top 10 2B, but at SS, he can be top 3 pretty easily(in terms of OPS). Hak Ju Lee doesn't really provide much pop with the bat and it isn't as hard to find a 2B as it is a legit #2 SP.

Plus, this is if Lee even makes it to the big leagues and if he lives up to expectations, something I would bet against any day.

I love how you just pull things out of your ass.

 

[DewsSox79]

What do you want on your sandwich?

And it's not that I can't take an argument, it's just that these thoughts are too illogical for me. Wow, there is a #3 pitcher available, lets give up a huge chuck of our farm for him, since we decided he's better than Greinke. 0 sense.

I really hope there isnt anyone on this board that believes garza is better than greinke.

 

[Jntg4]

I love how you just pull things out of your ass.

I don't know how he fits it all in there. :shrug: No wonder he pulls it out.

 

[Captain Obvious]

What do you want on your sandwich?

And it's not that I can't take an argument, it's just that these thoughts are too illogical for me. Wow, there is a #3 pitcher available, lets give up a huge chuck of our farm for him, since we decided he's better than Greinke. 0 sense.

Grienke would have cost a lot more than what we gave up for Garza. The Brewers gave up quite a bit more than we did.

I love how you just pull things out of your ass.

Castro's OPS: .755. 16 2B had at least 500 PA last year. 8 had a higher OPS. So he would still be top 10. Like I said. Castro ranked 4th out of 23 SS.

So no, I did not pull anything out of my ass. Nice try, though!

I really hope there isnt anyone on this board that believes garza is better than greinke.

There isn't.

 

[Jntg4]

Grienke would have cost a lot more than what we gave up for Garza. The Brewers gave up quite a bit more than we did.



Castro's OPS: .755. 16 2B had at least 500 PA last year. 8 had a higher OPS. So he would still be top 10. Like I said. Castro ranked 4th out of 23 SS.

So no, I did not pull anything out of my ass. Nice try, though!



There isn't.

Grienke doesn't exist, you no he wouldn't. Greinke might.

That's debatable, most of the "experts" disagree with you about who gave up more.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Grienke doesn't exist, you no he wouldn't. Greinke might.

That's debatable, most of the "experts" disagree with you about who gave up more.

I don't know of one "expert" that has said that. In fact, I believe it was Levine(I'm looking for a link that I saw on PSD, but not finding anything) that said the exact opposite. It's really not that debatable. The Brewers gave up much better specs and they have a much shorter road to the bigs.

As for the first line of your post, I have no clue what you are saying.

 

[Jntg4]

I don't know of one "expert" that has said that. In fact, I believe it was Levine(I'm looking for a link that I saw on PSD, but not finding anything) that said the exact opposite. It's really not that debatable. The Brewers gave up much better specs and they have a much shorter road to the bigs.

As for the first line of your post, I have no clue what you are saying.

I don't know either. But Grienke doesn't exist, Greinke does.

 

[waldo7239117]

This is what was said.. The Brewers gave up players that could be ready fast while the Cubs gave up more but the players are for more down the road. So the Brewers gave up quality while the Cubs gave up quanity.. Something like that, lol.

 

[Jntg4]

Brewers also got another MLB player in exchange for one they gave up.

 

[DewsSox79]

Grienke would have cost a lot more than what we gave up for Garza. The Brewers gave up quite a bit more than we did.



Castro's OPS: .755. 16 2B had at least 500 PA last year. 8 had a higher OPS. So he would still be top 10. Like I said. Castro ranked 4th out of 23 SS.
So no, I did not pull anything out of my ass. Nice try, though!



There isn't.

Right, because he will repeat that performance. Im glad you can predict stats after 1 year of a player in the MLB. Like I said, Can i get the winning big game numbers?

 

[DewsSox79]

I don't know of one "expert" that has said that. In fact, I believe it was Levine(I'm looking for a link that I saw on PSD, but not finding anything) that said the exact opposite. It's really not that debatable. The Brewers gave up much better specs and they have a much shorter road to the bigs.

As for the first line of your post, I have no clue what you are saying.