All purpose Garza/Dempster trade thread

[Rice Cube]

sox are in better shape to contend this year than the cubs. that is fact.

I do not disagree. How close to the postseason do they have to be to pull a trigger on such a desperation trade?

 

[DewsSox79]

now that sale is out of the rotation

 

[DewsSox79]

I do not disagree. How close to the postseason do they have to be to pull a trigger on such a desperation trade?

5 games is the over/under of being out of a spot at the deadline. 5 or less you buy, more than 5 like 6 or 7 stay put, more sell

 

[Rice Cube]

5 games is the over/under of being out of a spot at the deadline. 5 or less you buy, more than 5 like 6 or 7 stay put, more sell

In that case I hope the White Sox are within 4.5 games of a spot in July

 

[DewsSox79]

In that case I hope the White Sox are within 4.5 games of a spot in July

i mean it would be a no brainer if the sox are 4.5 out to get someone like dempster who wouldnt have to relocate. is he a FA after the year?

 

[JosMin]

If he continues the way he has, there's no reason a half-dozen teams wouldn't be clamoring for his services. Starting pitching has been one of our bright spots this year and Dempster has certainly bounced back from a down year.

What's nice is that potential suitors know exactly what they're going to get from him -- a quality veteran with a good clubhouse presence, and an innings eater than can strike guys out. As others have mentioned, he's also going to be a free agent. He'll likely be pitching for his last contract and a solid performance could get him a three-year deal for a team looking for a fourth or fifth starter.

As for teams who will be searching for starters -- the Yankees and Red Sox are obvious choices, especially the Red Sox. Dempster could also get looks at surprise teams who're still in the running around the trade deadline. A team like Toronto, the Mets, Baltimore or Arizona could be looking to add depth if they choose to become buyers in July.

I'd be happy with getting one B-tier prospect and a few serviceable projects. My top choice would be a team like Toronto, who has plenty of quality pitching and outfield prospects. A package of RHP Deck McGuire, 3B Matt Dean and RHP Chad Jenkins would be a fantastic haul for Dempster.

McGuire is nearly ready for the big leagues. He's a big guy (6'6'' 240) with lots of experience. He may have a lower ceiling than some other prospects, but a lot of the stuff I've read about him projects to be a solid #3 or 4 starter. Dean is a converted shortstop who was a second team All-American at Texas. Jenkins, much like McGuire, is viewed as a "safer" prospect who will likely shift to the bullpen when he's called up.

 

[Rice Cube]

i mean it would be a no brainer if the sox are 4.5 out to get someone like dempster who wouldnt have to relocate. is he a FA after the year?

Yup. And since his charitable foundation is based in Chicago, the White Sox would be a convenient location for him to move to.

 

[dabynsky]

Yup. And since his charitable foundation is based in Chicago, the White Sox would be a convenient location for him to move to.

That would be the one team that I think no matter what Dempster would be willing to waive his NTC. The issue I was trying to raise earlier was I wonder how "competitive" the Cubs are how that will affect Dempster's willingness to waive his NTC. I think he would be willing to waive his NTC to a team that is nearly a lock to make the postseason. I guess my line of thinking was does the better the Cubs do limit the number of teams that Dempster would willing to go to. A hypothetical situation, lets say the Cubs are at .500 at the deadline and so are the Brewers. Each team is the same number of games out, but as I think we can all agree the Brewers have a better shot at making the psotseason due to having more talent on the major league roster. Would Dempster be more willing to go there than say if the Cubs were 20 games under? The question more than likely will be moot, but what else do we have to do on an offday.

 

[dabynsky]

If he continues the way he has, there's no reason a half-dozen teams wouldn't be clamoring for his services. Starting pitching has been one of our bright spots this year and Dempster has certainly bounced back from a down year.

What's nice is that potential suitors know exactly what they're going to get from him -- a quality veteran with a good clubhouse presence, and an innings eater than can strike guys out. As others have mentioned, he's also going to be a free agent. He'll likely be pitching for his last contract and a solid performance could get him a three-year deal for a team looking for a fourth or fifth starter.

As for teams who will be searching for starters -- the Yankees and Red Sox are obvious choices, especially the Red Sox. Dempster could also get looks at surprise teams who're still in the running around the trade deadline. A team like Toronto, the Mets, Baltimore or Arizona could be looking to add depth if they choose to become buyers in July.

I'd be happy with getting one B-tier prospect and a few serviceable projects. My top choice would be a team like Toronto, who has plenty of quality pitching and outfield prospects. A package of RHP Deck McGuire, 3B Matt Dean and RHP Chad Jenkins would be a fantastic haul for Dempster.

McGuire is nearly ready for the big leagues. He's a big guy (6'6'' 240) with lots of experience. He may have a lower ceiling than some other prospects, but a lot of the stuff I've read about him projects to be a solid #3 or 4 starter. Dean is a converted shortstop who was a second team All-American at Texas. Jenkins, much like McGuire, is viewed as a "safer" prospect who will likely shift to the bullpen when he's called up.

Toronto is always a nice target since they have a pretty deep system, and this seems like a pretty reasonable package especially if Dempster is still dominating like he is now (not sub 1, but say low 2s in ERA).

 

[DewsSox79]

That would be the one team that I think no matter what Dempster would be willing to waive his NTC. The issue I was trying to raise earlier was I wonder how "competitive" the Cubs are how that will affect Dempster's willingness to waive his NTC. I think he would be willing to waive his NTC to a team that is nearly a lock to make the postseason. I guess my line of thinking was does the better the Cubs do limit the number of teams that Dempster would willing to go to. A hypothetical situation, lets say the Cubs are at .500 at the deadline and so are the Brewers. Each team is the same number of games out, but as I think we can all agree the Brewers have a better shot at making the psotseason due to having more talent on the major league roster. Would Dempster be more willing to go there than say if the Cubs were 20 games under? The question more than likely will be moot, but what else do we have to do on an offday.

its just too bad trades like these dont happen early. we would need him more now than ever with sale out of the rotation. I would love to trot out:

peavy
danks
dempster
floyd
humber

 

[Rice Cube]

Heyman suggests the Red Sox as a destination:

How to fix Red Sox? Start with getting younger, unleashing Bobby - MLB - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice

I'm still going to say that if a trade happens, Dempster is going to the South Side. White Sox guys, who would you realistically give up for Dempster other than what Mr. Rubio suggested?

 

[dabynsky]

Heyman suggests the Red Sox as a destination:

How to fix Red Sox? Start with getting younger, unleashing Bobby - MLB - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice

I'm still going to say that if a trade happens, Dempster is going to the South Side. White Sox guys, who would you realistically give up for Dempster other than what Mr. Rubio suggested?

With the limited number of chips the White Sox have to deal would Dempster feel the most pressing need on the south side?

 

[DewsSox79]

With the limited number of chips the White Sox have to deal would Dempster feel the most pressing need on the south side?

dempster is a FA correct?

 

[dabynsky]

dempster is a FA correct?

Yes his deal is done at the end of the year.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yes his deal is done at the end of the year.

i thought so.

i mean no matter who he goes to the other team isnt going to get fleeced. im not sure the expectations of a return whether its reasonable or just a dream

 

[Rice Cube]

The alternative is that the Cubs just sign him to a short team-friendly deal since he seems to want to remain in Chicago as a Cub. Might not be a bad idea since they have money to burn.

 

[dabynsky]

i thought so.

i mean no matter who he goes to the other team isnt going to get fleeced. im not sure the expectations of a return whether its reasonable or just a dream

Well the question of return is dependent on a lot of factors:
1) What other pitchers are on the market?
2) How is Dempster pitching?
3) How many teams is Dempster willing to go to?

The issue I was raising is that the Sox system doesn't really have any blue chip prospects. Not saying that Dempster is going to net blue chip prospects though situations like this have happened just last year, e.g. Carlos Beltran last year. The issue I was pointing out is that without a lot of big time trade pieces is spending a few of the things that teams would want on a SP be the best use of their resources when the lineup has bigger holes, imo.

 

[dabynsky]

The alternative is that the Cubs just sign him to a short team-friendly deal since he seems to want to remain in Chicago as a Cub. Might not be a bad idea since they have money to burn.

I read on Bleachernation that Gordon Wittenmeyer, I think it was Wittenmeyer, wrote a piece about the fact that some in the front office might believe the Cubs are closer to being competitive than initially thought with the emergence of Samardzija. Signing Dempster on a team friendly deal would certainly fit in with that thinking, if it is true.

 

[Rice Cube]

I read on Bleachernation that Gordon Wittenmeyer, I think it was Wittenmeyer, wrote a piece about the fact that some in the front office might believe the Cubs are closer to being competitive than initially thought with the emergence of Samardzija. Signing Dempster on a team friendly deal would certainly fit in with that thinking, if it is true.

I was commenting here and elsewhere that I hope lots of elite pitchers and would-be free agents get traded this season so that the Cubs can snatch them up if they're not extended without the penalty of losing draft picks due to the new CBA changes.

 

[dabynsky]

I was commenting here and elsewhere that I hope lots of elite pitchers and would-be free agents get traded this season so that the Cubs can snatch them up if they're not extended without the penalty of losing draft picks due to the new CBA changes.

Toronto supposedly was inquiring about Hammels ray: