All purpose Garza/Dempster trade thread

[Rice Cube]

The other thing that may be a bit messy is if Dempster is traded with the stipulation (under the table) that he'd come back to the Cubs afterwards. That way the Cubs can get their cake and eat it too. They get whatever comes back in trade, then Dempster can come back as a free agent without penalty of draft pick forfeiture.

If Dempster is offered arb and refuses (assuming he stays a Cub) then the Cubs can get draft picks since I believe he'd get a better overall deal from another team than what the Cubs would offer him. If he accepts, then the Cubs are still okay because they probably can still negotiate a team friendly deal. This has been discussed in other forums as well by folks smarter than I.

 

[brett05]

Dempster is not in the class of Beltran so it's not realistic to expect a similar haul

 

[DewsSox79]

I read on Bleachernation that Gordon Wittenmeyer, I think it was Wittenmeyer, wrote a piece about the fact that some in the front office might believe the Cubs are closer to being competitive than initially thought with the emergence of Samardzija. Signing Dempster on a team friendly deal would certainly fit in with that thinking, if it is true.

its going to have to take more than 2 months of shark to think they are that much closer because of him

 

[dabynsky]

its going to have to take more than 2 months of shark to think they are that much closer because of him

I don't disagree, but say this really is his level of production. You add another a legitimate top of the rotation starter (like Hammels for example), and you actually have something on the northside. Now that is a lot of ifs, but it isn't out of the realm of possibilities either. More than likely the front office stays the course with the rebuild, but the new CBA is funneling money to big league rosters. The Cubs might be forced to spend on big league payroll because they simply won't have other ways to spend money to improve the roster.

 

[dabynsky]

Dempster is not in the class of Beltran so it's not realistic to expect a similar haul

The situation is similar though. Beltran was 34 and had been hurt and not producing for many years in a row. He has a great half of year at age 34 and the Mets netted the 55 best prospect in baseball. I don't think the Cubs will get that because there was a perfect storm of factors that allowed the Mets to get that, which goes back to what I was saying before what the Cubs can get for Dempster is determined by far more than just how teams view Dempster.

 

[DewsSox79]

I don't disagree, but say this really is his level of production. You add another a legitimate top of the rotation starter (like Hammels for example), and you actually have something on the northside. Now that is a lot of ifs, but it isn't out of the realm of possibilities either. More than likely the front office stays the course with the rebuild, but the new CBA is funneling money to big league rosters. The Cubs might be forced to spend on big league payroll because they simply won't have other ways to spend money to improve the roster.

i think he stays in philly

 

[brett05]

Regular position players that were at one time were considered the best all around player in the game will always get more than a pitcher who was never in the top 20

If its the Sox I could see you netting Santiago and jordan danks

 

[dabynsky]

i think he stays in philly

Certainly is possible. I could see Philly trading him if they continue to suck and they don't get anywhere on an extension too.

 

[dabynsky]

Regular position players that were at one time were considered the best all around player in the game will always get more than a pitcher who was never in the top 20

If its the Sox I could see you netting Santiago and jordan danks

Sure, but the Giants weren't trading for the guy that was one of the best all around players. And again I granted that Dempster is very unlikely to get the same package, but it goes to show that a player having a great year can still net a top prospect in the right scenario.

 

[Rice Cube]

Sure, but the Giants weren't trading for the guy that was one of the best all around players. And again I granted that Dempster is very unlikely to get the same package, but it goes to show that a player having a great year can still net a top prospect in the right scenario.

All you need is a desperate team with a dumb GM.

 

[dabynsky]

All you need is a desperate team with a dumb GM.

ZOMG Sabean haz a ring zo he can't be dumbzzzz

 

[Rice Cube]

ZOMG Sabean haz a ring zo he can't be dumbzzzz

He's really fucking lucky is what he is :lol: That said I'm very glad the Giants won.

 

[dabynsky]

He's really fucking lucky is what he is :lol: That said I'm very glad the Giants won.

Better to be lucky than good I guess...

 

[Rice Cube]

I like to think of Sabean as a luckier version of Jim Hendry.

 

[dabynsky]

I like to think of Sabean as a luckier version of Jim Hendry.

Yeah, he actually signed Tim Lincecum

 

[Rice Cube]

Update:

Quick Hits: Garza, Eveland, Wright, Beckett, Brewers: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

Guess Samardzija being unsucky is going to determine Garza's future.

 

[Rice Cube]

Lincecum seems to be on a sharp decline. That really makes me sad because that would've been one of my major free agent targets.

 

[dabynsky]

5 years/80 million was a number being thrown out as an extension.

 

[Rice Cube]

5 years/80 million was a number being thrown out as an extension.

Who said that? That seems reasonable though.

 

[dabynsky]

Who said that? That seems reasonable though.

Jon Heyman