All-Star Reserves Obtained, No Boozer

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Hey I'm gonna be at Lou Melnati's tonight.

Anyone want to join me, come on. I'm picking up the tab tonight.

My booth is always in the back.

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Kevin Love dated Britney Spears?

I'm pissed!

Is Kevin Love still married to Brittany Spears?

 

[houheffna]

If Tim Duncan played on the Minnesota freakin' Timberwolves, his numbers would be pretty damn close to what Kevin Love's are.

First of all, Love is a really bad defensive player. The best part about Love's offensive game is his jump shot when he is wide open. And the only reason he gets so wide open is because he is such a menace on the offensive boards that the opposing defense is just glad to see him far away from the glass. He doesn't have much-to-any of a low-post game. He gets easy put backs off of offensive rebounds for nearly all of his points in the paint.

And if you think Tim Duncan cannot do everything that Kevin Love can (besides rebounding at such a high rate), you are dead wrong. Duncan is one of the best post players who's ever played. He is one of the best defenders in the league even though he's been in the NBA for about 15 years out of Wake Forest.

Tim Duncan is way, way, way more deserving than Kevin Love.

Holla at me when Duncan shoots over 40% from 3pt. Holla at me when Love puts up a 30pt-30reb game. Holla at me when he averages 20pts and 15 rebs at the allstar break. Duncan NEVER did that stuff. Love is having a better season than Duncan and deserved to go. I have no clue as to what you are talking about man...."way, way, way, more deserving"??? Are you serious?

And your reasoning is sucky as hell. Duncan is one of the best post players of all time? So Kevin McHale's old ass should be an allstar too? Duncan isn't doing much posting these days. He is THE THIRD OPTION AT BEST on the Spurs. And he doesn't even play 30 minutes a game! This is the 2011 all star game. Not the all time greatest list...its all star for this year.

 

[pinkizdead]

And, "Steve," most of that stuff you said up there was extraordinarily absurd.

Tim Duncan is way better than Kevin Love.

timmy is getting up there in the years. love is a terrible absolutely horrible defensive player, but he's not terrible at rebounding.

 

[pinkizdead]

has tim duncan ever had a cologne named after him? on a serious note, number is said to smell good.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Holla at me when Duncan shoots over 40% from 3pt. Holla at me when Love puts up a 30pt-30reb game. Holla at me when he averages 20pts and 15 rebs at the allstar break. Duncan NEVER did that stuff. Love is having a better season than Duncan and deserved to go. I have no clue as to what you are talking about man...."way, way, way, more deserving"??? Are you serious?

And your reasoning is sucky as hell. Duncan is one of the best post players of all time? So Kevin McHale's old ass should be an allstar too? Duncan isn't doing much posting these days. He is THE THIRD OPTION AT BEST on the Spurs. And he doesn't even play 30 minutes a game! This is the 2011 all star game. Not the all time greatest list...its all star for this year.

'Holla at me' when Kevin Love gets a quadruple double.

Holla at me when Kevin Love becomes a solid defensive player.

Holla at me when Kevin Love isn't on the worst team in his own conference.

Holla at me when Kevin Love develops a low-post game.

If you are trying to win now, you choose Duncan over Love. If we are talking about the next 3-5 years, we are picking Love in the likely case.

There is no way that anybody who watches these two guys play can say Kevin Love > Tim Duncan. He's a better rebounder and shooter. Duncan can do both of those key things well himself. And he dominates every other aspect of the game in comparison to Love.

Now let me repeat:

There is no All-Star (outside of Yao Ming) that Kevin Love should be rightfully replacing in the All-Star Game. None.

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

I couldn't agree more with you, Hou. I'm glad someone around here thinks logically.

Holla at me when Duncan shoots over 40% from 3pt. Holla at me when Love puts up a 30pt-30reb game. Holla at me when he averages 20pts and 15 rebs at the allstar break. Duncan NEVER did that stuff. Love is having a better season than Duncan and deserved to go. I have no clue as to what you are talking about man...."way, way, way, more deserving"??? Are you serious?

And your reasoning is sucky as hell. Duncan is one of the best post players of all time? So Kevin McHale's old ass should be an allstar too? Duncan isn't doing much posting these days. He is THE THIRD OPTION AT BEST on the Spurs. And he doesn't even play 30 minutes a game! This is the 2011 all star game. Not the all time greatest list...its all star for this year.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

timmy is getting up there in the years. love is a terrible absolutely horrible defensive player, but he's not terrible at rebounding.

Yeah, obviously Love is the better rebounder. He's probably the best rebounder since Rodman. But who would you pick between Duncan and Love if you were in need of a front-court player and you were close to a championship (for a 1-year contract)?

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Oh, Rami! Come on.

Duncan has always played on loaded teams his whole life. He cut his teeth playing with David Robinson for pity's sake!

'Holla at me' when Kevin Love gets a quadruple double.

Holla at me when Kevin Love becomes a solid defensive player.

Holla at me when Kevin Love isn't on the worst team in his own conference.

Holla at me when Kevin Love develops a low-post game.

If you are trying to win now, you choose Duncan over Love. If we are talking about the next 3-5 years, we are picking Love in the likely case.

There is no way that anybody who watches these two guys play can say Kevin Love > Tim Duncan. He's a better rebounder and shooter. Duncan can do both of those key things well himself. And he dominates every other aspect of the game in comparison to Love.

Now let me repeat:

There is no All-Star (outside of Yao Ming) that Kevin Love should be rightfully replacing in the All-Star Game. None.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Oh, Rami! Come on.

Duncan has always played on loaded teams his whole life. He cut his teeth playing with David Robinson for pity's sake!

You're missing the point.

Tim Duncan is still a considerably better offensive player than Kevin Love, and he's exponentially better defensively.

We are talking about the 2nd or 3rd best defensive C versus the a bottom 5 defensive starting PF---and even that may be being too kind to Love).

Love is a great, great rebounder but Duncan is top 10-15 in that category in the NBA himself.

To say that Love is better than Duncan... come on. Even LaMarcus Aldridge deserves it more than Love.

 

[houheffna]

'Holla at me' when Kevin Love gets a quadruple double.

Holla at me when Kevin Love becomes a solid defensive player.

Holla at me when Kevin Love isn't on the worst team in his own conference.

Holla at me when Kevin Love develops a low-post game.

If you are trying to win now, you choose Duncan over Love. If we are talking about the next 3-5 years, we are picking Love in the likely case.

There is no way that anybody who watches these two guys play can say Kevin Love > Tim Duncan. He's a better rebounder and shooter. Duncan can do both of those key things well himself. And he dominates every other aspect of the game in comparison to Love.

Now let me repeat:

There is no All-Star (outside of Yao Ming) that Kevin Love should be rightfully replacing in the All-Star Game. None.

When did Duncan get a quadruple-double? Who told you Love has NO post game, the same person that told you that Lebron doesn't know how to give and go? Love does not have an outstanding post game, but he does have one. He is not David Lee. Love can and has played with his back to the basket. You said the same damn thing about Lebron. You were inaccurate both times. Love doesn't post up much because he is undersized at his position. If he had Boozer's skills, that would be a different story.

You can repeat it all you want. And you can make up stuff as you go along, and you will be just as wrong as you were initially. Nobody alive will say that Duncan is HAVING AS GOOD A YEAR... as Love is. Because he is not.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

When did Duncan get a quadruple-double? Who told you Love has NO post game, the same person that told you that Lebron doesn't know how to give and go? Love does not have an outstanding post game, but he does have one. He is not David Lee. Love can and has played with his back to the basket. You said the same damn thing about Lebron. You were inaccurate both times. Love doesn't post up much because he is undersized at his position. If he had Boozer's skills, that would be a different story.

You can repeat it all you want. And you can make up stuff as you go along, and you will be just as wrong as you were initially. Nobody alive will say that Duncan is HAVING AS GOOD A YEAR... as Love is. Because he is not.

Well, Duncan was close to a quadruple double in the NBA Finals against the Nets. I didn't say Love had zero low-post game but it's nothing that's above average compared to other PFs in the league.

I don't know why people are so down on KG and Tim Duncan. Literally the only thing about Duncan that has changed is that he can't really move laterally at all and he can't play as many minutes consistently as he could before. He lacks some explosiveness but it's not like he's dead out there. He's not 45 yet...

If you are telling me that the Timberwolves wouldn't be better with Duncan and that the Spurs would be better with Love (in each other's places), then I don't even know what to tell you...

 

[pinkizdead]

Yeah, obviously Love is the better rebounder. He's probably the best rebounder since Rodman. But who would you pick between Duncan and Love if you were in need of a front-court player and you were close to a championship (for a 1-year contract)?

noah.

tim isn't really anything to write home about. he's not the star of that team anymore. he's just a solid player with great instincts. Love is a good player. He does have his faults, but that doesn't diminish his remarkable attributes.

 

[pinkizdead]

You're missing the point.

Tim Duncan is still a considerably better offensive player than Kevin Love, and he's exponentially better defensively.

We are talking about the 2nd or 3rd best defensive C versus the a bottom 5 defensive starting PF---and even that may be being too kind to Love).

Love is a great, great rebounder but Duncan is top 10-15 in that category in the NBA himself.

To say that Love is better than Duncan... come on. Even LaMarcus Aldridge deserves it more than Love.

you know if you think about duncan as a center, he's one of the better centers in the league. if you think about him a forward, he's pretty damn mediocre.

 

[houheffna]

Well, Duncan was close to a quadruple double in the NBA Finals against the Nets. I didn't say Love had zero low-post game but it's nothing that's above average compared to other PFs in the league.

I don't know why people are so down on KG and Tim Duncan. Literally the only thing about Duncan that has changed is that he can't really move laterally at all and he can't play as many minutes consistently as he could before. He lacks some explosiveness but it's not like he's dead out there. He's not 45 yet...

If you are telling me that the Timberwolves wouldn't be better with Duncan and that the Spurs would be better with Love (in each other's places), then I don't even know what to tell you...

SWEET JESUS!

We are talking about the 2011 All star game and you bring up something from 2003? Are you kidding me?

And no, the Timberwolves would be no better than they are with Duncan on the team...not at all. The Wolves would still suck. I don't think Duncan makes Darko a better ballplayer or anything like that. He is 35!!! He can't do what he did years ago. Love is having a better year point blank. If you don't understand that...well hell, you don't...Love is having an all time great year. The stuff he is doing is astounding and If he finishes with these numbers, he will have done something neither Garnett or Duncan have done...ever.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

you know if you think about duncan as a center, he's one of the better centers in the league. if you think about him a forward, he's pretty damn mediocre.

Yeah, well, I kind of see a closer resemblence between the PF and C positions than I do between the PF and SF ones. But I see where you are coming from with that.

Duncan's role offensively as a center is limited, but he still brings more than 98% of other NBA centers from an offensive stand-point when he is actually out there on the floor. Offensively, the two positions are very interchangeable.

Love is a guy who really gets outmatched by nearly every other starting PF in the NBA when it comes to how many points he is allowing his man to score versus how many they are allowing him to score. But, of course, that would be doing a discredit to Love because he makes up for a lot of his mediocre offensive game with his offensive rebounding. The reason his FG% is as close to 50% as it is, is because of his near 5.0 offensive boards per game... he gets about 3 or 4 baskets per game that way.

I still see Duncan as a dominant force when he's out there on the floor. Love is getting better but he's not the impact player Duncan is. He does it all very well. Love has been known for 'doing it all' in his UCLA days, but he does not utilize them as well / play with a purpose like TD does.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

SWEET JESUS!

We are talking about the 2011 All star game and you bring up something from 2003? Are you kidding me?

And no, the Timberwolves would be no better than they are with Duncan on the team...not at all. The Wolves would still suck. I don't think Duncan makes Darko a better ballplayer or anything like that. He is 35!!! He can't do what he did years ago. Love is having a better year point blank. If you don't understand that...well hell, you don't...Love is having an all time great year. The stuff he is doing is astounding and If he finishes with these numbers, he will have done something neither Garnett or Duncan have done...ever.

You are overrating Love and it's simple as that. I never said he wasn't having a great year but he is no Duncan. Age 35 - regardless.

His per-game stats are inflated. MIN leads in the NBA in pace. Which means more shots for them AND their opponents.

That means more rebounds on both ends for Love to grab also. More shots to take for him.

And let's not forget that the only reason Love even gets 15 FG attempts per game is that the rest of that roster is inept offensively besides Beasley (and Beasley is no great prize himself).

 

[houheffna]

You are overrating Love and it's simple as that. I never said he wasn't having a great year but he is no Duncan. Age 35 - regardless.

His per-game stats are inflated. MIN leads in the NBA in pace. Which means more shots for them AND their opponents.

That means more rebounds on both ends for Love to grab also. More shots to take for him.

And let's not forget that the only reason Love even gets 15 FG attempts per game is that the rest of that roster is inept offensively besides Beasley (and Beasley is no great prize himself).

You are overrating Duncan's season thus far. You never said Love wasn't having a great year. I AM saying Duncan is having an unspectacular year...case closed.

Whatever the reasoning is, Love is putting up great numbers, and he is having a better season than Duncan...point blank.

Your last paragraph is a pile of hot, irrelevant, garbage. There are many reasons that people are having great years. What you are saying is that Love is having a great year because everybody else sucks. OK...so what? He is still having a great year...he is not the GM, he is an allstar caliber power forward...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

It seems that me and you have a different fundamentally different view of the varying forms of the word "great" (i.e. spectular, better, sucks, etc.). I'm not sure continuing on with this conversation is going to get us anywhere any time soon...

And Kevin Love is definitely an All-Star caliber PF. The West was stocked full of those this year and has been for a long time.

I just believe that Duncan is much better than Love. And even though that's my opinion, I will go pretty close to saying that I know he is. I can't understand how anybody could see it differently for reasons I've already explained.

 

[pinkizdead]

he still brings more than 98% of other NBA centers from an offensive stand-point when he is actually out there on the floor. Offensively, the two positions are very interchangeable.

you have to realize that you just said that duncan brings more to the table offensively than bogut and noah. It's almost like saying "WOW, DUNCAN ISN'T TERRIBLE. THAT'S A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT!"

Love is a guy who really gets outmatched by nearly every other starting PF in the NBA when it comes to how many points he is allowing his man to score versus how many they are allowing him to score. But, of course, that would be doing a discredit to Love because he makes up for a lot of his mediocre offensive game with his offensive rebounding. The reason his FG% is as close to 50% as it is, is because of his near 5.0 offensive boards per game... he gets about 3 or 4 baskets per game that way.

his offensive isn't bad. you're making it sound like he's anderson varejo w/o the defense. he's not. He's a guy who definitely needs a defensive center backing him up, but he's capable of playing decently in the paint. he's a good spot up shooter. he's the best rebounder in the league. yeah, he's undersized and he's not athletic. Honestly that makes me appreciate what he does even more, rather than force me to reflect on his defensive limitations.

I still see Duncan as a dominant force when he's out there on the floor. Love is getting better but he's not the impact player Duncan is. He does it all very well. Love has been known for 'doing it all' in his UCLA days, but he does not utilize them as well / play with a purpose like TD does.

i'm going to pretty honest. I think you're stuck in a time warp. you love players that were good several years ago, but have considerably declined since their prime. Mcgrady duncan, shaq, and garnett