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What the hell is your problem?
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First of all, your list is basketball Special person. Griffin is not better than Nowtizki and Gasol. Stop with that madness. How you can say Duncan is better than Love..."way, way better" according to you, because he is soooooooooo much more skilled than Love and then have Griffin already better than Dirk and Pau skillwise? Ridiculous...
Secondly. Who has had the best year of those people on the list. THAT is a major part of who goes to the allstar game. LOVE IS TOP 3 in that category, which is why people thought it was a travesty for him not to be in the AllStar game...
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This dude has had 4 or 5 aliases...he wants to be schizophrenic I believe, but he doesn't have the abilities to conjure up more than one personality...lol
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Wait a second. How can Kevin Love be over-rated when he's LEADING THE LEAGUE IN REBOUNDS (3-4 MORE than Dwight Howard at the moment) and wasn't even voted onto the All-Star team?
Replacements in the All-Star game cannot be over-rated.
If you're over-rated you don't have to replace anyone in the All-Star game because people over-rate you to where you're STARTING in the game.
Clearly, Yao Ming is over-rated because he's not as good as his All-Star appearances suggest (thanks to China voting).
How could Kevin Love be OVER rated? The guy's one of the most UNDER rated players in the game (when drafted all the "experts" said he was too short, too limited, too whatever. They're eating those words buffet style now).
Whose the last guy in NBA HISTORY to have a 22 and 15?
Let's talk about THAT.
Replacements in the All-Star game cannot be over-rated.
If you're over-rated you don't have to replace anyone in the All-Star game because people over-rate you to where you're STARTING in the game.
Clearly, Yao Ming is over-rated because he's not as good as his All-Star appearances suggest (thanks to China voting).
How could Kevin Love be OVER rated? The guy's one of the most UNDER rated players in the game (when drafted all the "experts" said he was too short, too limited, too whatever. They're eating those words buffet style now).
Whose the last guy in NBA HISTORY to have a 22 and 15?
Let's talk about THAT.
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Not at all Hou!
I'm surprised you're being so critical of me after our pleasant posts yesterday.
I just come from a really dynamic family.
I just like to be happy and to be positive. What is so terrible about that (not you, Hou, the other guy who wrote above you)?
I'm surprised you're being so critical of me after our pleasant posts yesterday.
I just come from a really dynamic family.
I just like to be happy and to be positive. What is so terrible about that (not you, Hou, the other guy who wrote above you)?
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And by the way you are wrong sir, wrong!
Remember when "Jo Jo English" posted 2 or 3 times on the old bullspodcasters.com?
That wasn't Jo Jo at all.
Boy everyone sure bought that one.
Remember when "Jo Jo English" posted 2 or 3 times on the old bullspodcasters.com?
That wasn't Jo Jo at all.
Boy everyone sure bought that one.
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Duncan has games where he can be 11th or 12th on a list like this.
Griffin is definitely better than Gasol and Nowitzki. Where the hell did that even come from? Watch the Lakers last game against the Clippers and say that again.
Love is not having a top 3 season in the West. Gett off of this "per-game" stat bullshit. If he was with the Spurs, this guy would be averaging 5 less points and 2 less rebounds at a much lower FG percentage.
...I don't know what your definition of "best" is... but it is obviously absurd.
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Wait... they are eating those words when Love plays on the 2nd or 3rd WORST team in the NBA?
If Love really was having a "top 3" season of all Western players, then his team wouldn't be dead LAST in the Conference.
Just sayin'
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Not everyone is fortunate enough to walk right into a team that has Shaquille O'Neal (Kobe Bryant) or David Robinson (Tim Duncan), etc. did.
They're eating those words because they made it sound like Kevin Love was going to be the next Adam Keefe and here he is leading the league in rebounding AND putting up 21 points a game.
If Tim Duncan EVER came anywhere near 15 rebounds a game (never has and never will) everyone would go nuts.
It's why the NBA All-Star game is nothing but a popularity contest. It's all about the name brand and whose popular.
They're eating those words because they made it sound like Kevin Love was going to be the next Adam Keefe and here he is leading the league in rebounding AND putting up 21 points a game.
If Tim Duncan EVER came anywhere near 15 rebounds a game (never has and never will) everyone would go nuts.
It's why the NBA All-Star game is nothing but a popularity contest. It's all about the name brand and whose popular.
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First of all, Frank, you are insulting all of our intelligence to say you aren't creating aliases for this site. Do what you want, but you're making an ass of yourself.
Secondly, Kevin Love is having a great year but if you watched the games, you would know that having 21-and-15 doesn't in itself make you a better player than a guy with 13-and-9. And you would also know that Tim Duncan had plenty of seasons upward of 12 rebounds per-game (not that it matters now, but it goes to show you are wrong and you don't know what you are talking about).
And no one ever said that the All-Star game wasn't a popularity contest; I just prefer to see the best players go. And seeing as Tim Duncan is a better player than Kevin Love (and sorry to anybody who doesn't believe that- because you are wrong), I am glad that Duncan was selected over Love.
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hou and rami should get a podcast. it'd be entertaining to listen you guys argue.
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Love is NOT with the Spurs...but if he were...he would be playing more than 29.4 minutes per game. And 16 pts and 14 rebounds per game is a damn good season...he would still be allstar caliber...AND HE WOULD BE HAVING A BETTER SEASON THAN DUNCAN!!! So what is your point?
If you think Griffin is a more skilled player than Nowitzki...you should never watch a game of basketball again, and it should be illegal for you to blog. Griffin is not yet top 10 in the damn league! How do you have him above an MVP candidate? My god that's stupid...
I just think it would be wise of you to just say..."I don't know..." sometimes instead of just coming up with the most benign bullshit passing it off as basketball knowledge. Love is having a great, not good, not decent, a GREAT year. Duncan is decent at best right now, because they are saving him for the playoffs.
Love is number 2 in rebounding percentage...ahead of Howard, Griffin, Bogut, Noah...and Tim Duncan. So if he was playing with the Spurs...would he have similar rebounding numbers? Who knows? If Duncan was playing with the Lakers, would he play even 30 minutes a game? Maybe, maybe not. This is about here and now...and that is what you don't seem to get.
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That would be entertaining...I guess....
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i just don't see how duncan is better than love...we're not looking at careers...we're looking at their current productivity...Love is the obvious answer.....duncan was chosen because the All Star game is a popularity contest and voted by fans(not always a bad thing...but in many instances it is) and also the fact that Duncan is one of the best overall to play the game and well more renown and has achieved much much more...however, this is his lowest productive season by far...he's just getting old....yes he has great games...and yes his team is great....but he's not consistently great anymore..and he's really not the main reason why the spurs are so good...
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Absolutely, I am not saying Love is a greater player than Duncan. Duncan might be the best PF ever. I am saying what you just said...Love is having a better year...a much better year. Number 1 in player efficiency in the league. How is that an argument?
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Again, like I said before, your definition of "better" seems to be off. Playing more minutes and getting more per-game stats does not make you a better player. In some aspects, Love is having a better season than Duncan- yes. But, to me, the one who deserves to make the team is that better player.
Duncan is a better player than Love. No question.
(And to Frank: even by the logic of just going by 'the All-Star game is a popularity contest anyway so who cares' I will say that stereotypically the All-Star game is about the guys who can bring the house down with the best dunks or blocked shots or flashy plays. So, if we bring that into the equation here, Duncan still beats a guy who is only a great player because of his REBOUNDING and spot-up SHOOTING.)
Whoa whoa whoa... time out. Being an MVP candidate in and of itself does not make you a better player than somebody who is not in the discussion. You seem to agree with the consensus that Rose is the MVP. Yet, you say and continue to say that LeBron James is the best player in the world.
Speaking of LeBron James... Kobe Bryant is more skilled than he is. Does that mean that Kobe Bryant deserves to be an All-Star more than LeBron James?
Answer:
No.
And you know that :smh:
So when I say that Dirk Nowitzki isn't as good of a player as Blake Griffin, I am saying that DESPITE the fact that he is more skilled than Griffin. Griffin is simply an athletic freak/juggernaut.
You need to stop with these cherry-picked analogies of references. Start taking things on a case-by-case basis.
LeBron James > the more skilled Kobe Bryant
Blake Griffin > the more skilled Dirk Nowitzki
and finally Tim Duncan > the better rebounding, better shooting, and defensive liability Kevin Love
Well, I could same the same to you. But the difference is when I say things they seem to actually be true.
And once again... your use of loaded words like "better" are less than sponged with basketball knowledge. And I don't even agree with your interpretation of the word "best/better/sucks" to begin with.
Let's put it this way:
Team A: The San Antonio Spurs w/ Love in Duncan's place
vs.
Team B: The San Antonio Spurs the way they are set up now
Winner:
This is too obvious to even dignify that with an answer
Now another example:
Team A: The Minnesota Timberwolves w/ Duncan in Love's place
vs.
Team B: The Minnesota Timberwolves the way they are now
Now, I will grant you that this one is a little more tricky. If this was a meaningless exhibition then it is possible that Duncan would rest for about 7-10 minutes longer than Love. But nevertheless, during the times they are both on the floor together, both would nearly pull down the same number of rebounds for the fact that neither guy traditionally gives up many offensive rebounds to whomever they are matched up against. And you also must remember that Duncan is a guy who makes others (say Brewer, Ridnour, and even Milicic) better with his great passing and post-up presence. And his defensive presence is astonomically more beneficial than that of Kevin Love. I will grant you that Duncan would have a hard time playing 25 minutes with the pace of the T-Wolves.
But on the other hand, if this was a playoff game (and not a meaningless exhibition), I am fairly confident that given the need-being that Duncan will be able to play a solid 35 minutes or maybe even more (as he has on 5 other occassions this season for example). And who do I trust more in a must-win game situation? Duncan.
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Duncan was voted in by the Western Conference coaches... not the fans.
And Duncan is still consistently very good despite his bad legs. And he does a lot more things than Love. If being the better player was all about productivity then Monta Ellis and Shawn Marion of 2007 would be MVP candidates.
I am not basing this off of past seasons... I'm basing this off of the player I know Duncan is right now.
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oh...sorry don't keep up with the coaches or fan voting...it still shows that duncan is more renown...
yes duncan has always been great...but this year his numbers are not close to all star caliber...sorry...the spurs are great and he's always a competitive leader but i think Love should easily be in
yes duncan has always been great...but this year his numbers are not close to all star caliber...sorry...the spurs are great and he's always a competitive leader but i think Love should easily be in
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Strongly disagree but oh well. We know if it was the Eastern Conference that Duncan would easily be in over the likes of Joe Johnson, Al Horford, and Ray Allen. If I had to choose between Boozer and Duncan in terms of a 1-year contract, I'm picking Duncan. Same with Duncan over Bosh.
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i'm glad you're not a gm.
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