Anthony prefers a trade to the Bulls or Knicks

[Crystallas]

That is not a solid upgrade. You are trading "never beens" for an "is". Melo is a mercurial talent, legit top 5 player arguably. A franchise player. Finding a good SF is one thing, finding a superstar who can score 30ppg and destroy a playoff team when he hits his stride, is quite another.

You can't fall in love with marginal talent. If you do, don't be surprised if management doesn't share that opinion. The Bulls are trying to win. You win with Carmelo Anthony type players teaming with Rose and Boozer. I will say it again, Carmelo is the most complete player in the league when it comes to scoring the ball. Nobody else can do it better right now. You get Anthony on this team, and you can win with Luc Longley at center...or Erick Dampier, who might be available soon.

Trading 2 decent players for an MVP candidate is a no brainer.

I respect your opinion, but I don't think Melo and the absence of Noah will make us a better team. People dislike Deng because of his contracts and injury. But I don't think Deng is a bad SF, just bad contract. Because of that bad contract, we're ready to trade off a potential all-star Center for a guy who demands a trade, and will come at an extreme price, and after that, we'll need to afford to keep Rose and fill the Center slot with a legit starter.

It's all nice on paper, and it might be great for one season, however, after this season, we'll have no way of improving, if and when we fall short. We have left no room for the team to grow. If another team makes some super moves next off-season, we'll have no room to counter them. We are quickly making the same mistakes that Mark Cuban makes every year, max out, lose money through his franchise, and fall short of winning a title, because they can't afford to get that final piece, yet, most players supposedly LOVES Cuban, and wants to play for such a generous owner.

Maybe I'm to much of a homer though, I still think young Rose will become a MVP candidate at some point in his career. Rose should be a career Bull, and he'll play for another solid decade, where Melo is still just 26 years old, but hes a big body, and not the health nut at that. Call me crazy, but I see Shawn Kemp 2.0 in Carmelo. Loads of skills, emotional eater waiting to balloon up.

Sorry houheffna, I just don't like it, and that's just my own opinion.

 

[pinkizdead]

That is the thing...its not about "like". I "liked" Kirk Hinrich...so long! I used to like Eddy Curry...bye! Its about winning. Carmelo gets you close to it than Noah will.

This is the SAME conversation people were having a few years ago when people wouldn't dare trade Deng for Kobe...that sounds absolutely crazy right now.

I don't think the Bulls are going to make the mistake of falling in love with certain players anymore. Just can't do it and win...

exactly! with the creation of a super team, it's either get a star, or loose. I didn't used to agree with hou about guys like gordon noah etc, but times have changed.

In order to beat miami and la, we need another star player to make 1a, 1b, and boozer(2?) team going. Everyone's talking about noah beating up the miami frontline, i'd rather think about rose , melo, and boozer doing that. we need a another legit scoring threat/scar.

With that said, i dont think this gonna happen, but if it does, i wont have any regrets. Even if we dont have noah this season, we'll improve next year.

good players come to good teams to win. look at artest signing with lakers for basically the midlevel exception. We'll be able to get some1 next year, you can count on that!

plus getting melo insures that Jerry isn't screwing around. If we get melo, there's no way in hell jerry wont go deep into the luxury tax. I can guarantee that too. You have 3 near max players, you'll have to go deep deep deep into the luxury tax. I'm starting to like having jerry as our owner again.

 

[pinkizdead]

if deng can get back to scoring 18-20ppg on incredible efficiency he's not that bad of a contract. Let's not forget that deng is a system player. if we install a system, deng might be an asset. Deng's biggest flaw in the del negro offense was his inability to create his own shot. if we can get him back into form, he'll be a decent contract.

 

[houheffna]

You don't win in this league with wings who don't shoot threes...Melo does shot threes, Deng hasn't shown the ability to do it with enough consistency. Melo is a much better player. Deng might not be top 30 in the league right now. You don't win a title with the team as is now. Dampier, Gortat...players like that with Boozer and Melo make a hell of a frontcourt. This is kind of like a Sox fan saying they wouldn't trade Ventura for a 26 year old Ken Griffey Jr. You may like the home guy, but that has nothing to do with winning.

As the team is now, they have a slim chance if any at all to beat Miami. Anthony does a lot more to wreck havoc than Noah does. Anthony would be better than ANY player on Boston for example...and having Rose with him? Man, if the Bulls could trade Oakley for Cartwright over 20 years ago and it work out, I am willing to make this move now. Anthony is a whole hell of a lot better than Cartwright...lol

 

[NealKleren]

That is the thing...its not about "like". I "liked" Kirk Hinrich...so long! I used to like Eddy Curry...bye! Its about winning. Carmelo gets you close to it than Noah will.

This is the SAME conversation people were having a few years ago when people wouldn't dare trade Deng for Kobe...that sounds absolutely crazy right now.

I don't think the Bulls are going to make the mistake of falling in love with certain players anymore. Just can't do it and win...

I agree with this. I dont want people to think I wouldnt trade Noah for Melo,I would.....but if we can do the deal I said and trade Deng,Gibson,Johnson,and 2 first round picks I'd rather do that.But if we cant,like I said I wish you the best Noah and goodbye Luol Dengs contract.

 

[jbrown60180]

Hey, everyone would love to keep Noah, but you have to be outside of your mind to say no to Noah for Mello. Mello is a 26 year old top 5 player in this league. Come on guys that puts 3 all-stars in your starting line up right now. If you say its easier to find a guy like Mello than Noah, you don't watch basketball or are the biggest homer in the world. Ask any expert, ask any GM, they would take Mello over Noah. I do not respect you or your opinion if you say no way to this trade. Let me conclude by you only do this trade if you are guaranteed he will sign a extension.

 

[NealKleren]

Hey, everyone would love to keep Noah, but you have to be outside of your mind to say no to Noah for Mello. Mello is a 26 year old top 5 player in this league. Come on guys that puts 3 all-stars in your starting line up right now. If you say its easier to find a guy like Mello than Noah, you don't watch basketball or are the biggest homer in the world. Ask any expert, ask any GM, they would take Mello over Noah. I do not respect you or your opinion if you say no way to this trade. Let me conclude by you only do this trade if you are guaranteed he will sign a extension.

I agree and I say its both ways to say you can find a guy like Noah and a guy like Melo. But the thing is either way we'll just have to find other guys that just areant them depending on what happens. And if this does happen I think Melo would sign an extension and the Bulls wouldnt do the trade if he didnt do an extension or any other team for that matter(unless youre a really bad team and need to sell tickets)

 

[X]

Hey, everyone would love to keep Noah, but you have to be outside of your mind to say no to Noah for Mello. Mello is a 26 year old top 5 player in this league. Come on guys that puts 3 all-stars in your starting line up right now. If you say its easier to find a guy like Mello than Noah, you don't watch basketball or are the biggest homer in the world. Ask any expert, ask any GM, they would take Mello over Noah. I do not respect you or your opinion if you say no way to this trade. Let me conclude by you only do this trade if you are guaranteed he will sign a extension.

I don't think the argument is "Who is better: Noah or Melo?"...It's more of a game to see if we can make the offer to Denver that will bring us Melo without including Noah. It's probably not going to happen, but kudos to the FO for trying...If Noah is the piece that makes or breaks the deal, he should go.

 

[jbrown60180]

I agree and I say its both ways to say you can find a guy like Noah and a guy like Melo. But the thing is either way we'll just have to find other guys that just areant them depending on what happens. And if this does happen I think Melo would sign an extension and the Bulls wouldnt do the trade if he didnt do an extension or any other team for that matter(unless youre a really bad team and need to sell tickets)

Obviously we would love to keep Noah and get Mello, if you can do it that it would be perfect. But including Noah should not be deal breaker

 

[jbrown60180]

I don't think the argument is "Who is better: Noah or Melo?"...It's more of a game to see if we can make the offer to Denver that will bring us Melo without including Noah. It's probably not going to happen, but kudos to the FO for trying...If Noah is the piece that makes or breaks the deal, he should go.

agreed 100%

 

[Scoot26]

That is the thing...its not about "like". I "liked" Kirk Hinrich...so long! I used to like Eddy Curry...bye! Its about winning. Carmelo gets you close to it than Noah will.

This is the SAME conversation people were having a few years ago when people wouldn't dare trade Deng for Kobe...that sounds absolutely crazy right now.

Wait...there were people who wouldnt trade Deng for Kobe? My understand is Kobe didnt want to come to the Bulls unless Deng was staying here..Kobe didnt want to come to a gutted Bulls team.

You don't win in this league with wings who don't shoot threes...

You dont win in this league without a good center either or a post player that is 6'11+...unless your team has Michael Jordan.

Melo does shot threes, Deng hasn't shown the ability to do it with enough consistency. Melo is a much better player. Deng might not be top 30 in the league right now. You don't win a title with the team as is now.

Can't argue with you at all there...

Dampier, Gortat...players like that with Boozer and Melo make a hell of a frontcourt. This is kind of like a Sox fan saying they wouldn't trade Ventura for a 26 year old Ken Griffey Jr. You may like the home guy, but that has nothing to do with winning.

Dampier is about to be on his last legs..Gortat is nothing but a reserve center and if the league weren't so weak and low on centers, they he wouldnt start anywhere. Not to mention...Gortat is not for sale.

As the team is now, they have a slim chance if any at all to beat Miami. Anthony does a lot more to wreck havoc than Noah does. Anthony would be better than ANY player on Boston for example...and having Rose with him? Man, if the Bulls could trade Oakley for Cartwright over 20 years ago and it work out, I am willing to make this move now. Anthony is a whole hell of a lot better than Cartwright...lol

As I have explained before...The Bulls can win 60+ games if they did trade Noah for Anthony..They will put together a hell of a regular season...They will falter at some point in the playoffs year after year after year after year because they will have nothing but garbage at center...unless...they get extremely lucky and pull off an LA style trade or some rookie develops unexpectedly.

Case in point all of last decade is the Phoenix Suns...They never had a center..put together several 60+ win teams...never made the NBA Finals.

I respect your opinion, but I don't think Melo and the absence of Noah will make us a better team. People dislike Deng because of his contracts and injury. But I don't think Deng is a bad SF, just bad contract. Because of that bad contract, we're ready to trade off a potential all-star Center for a guy who demands a trade, and will come at an extreme price, and after that, we'll need to afford to keep Rose and fill the Center slot with a legit starter.

It's all nice on paper, and it might be great for one season, however, after this season, we'll have no way of improving, if and when we fall short. We have left no room for the team to grow. If another team makes some super moves next off-season, we'll have no room to counter them. We are quickly making the same mistakes that Mark Cuban makes every year, max out, lose money through his franchise, and fall short of winning a title, because they can't afford to get that final piece, yet, most players supposedly LOVES Cuban, and wants to play for such a generous owner.

Maybe I'm to much of a homer though, I still think young Rose will become a MVP candidate at some point in his career. Rose should be a career Bull, and he'll play for another solid decade, where Melo is still just 26 years old, but hes a big body, and not the health nut at that. Call me crazy, but I see Shawn Kemp 2.0 in Carmelo. Loads of skills, emotional eater waiting to balloon up.

Sorry houheffna, I just don't like it, and that's just my own opinion.

GREAT post. Too me..fans are too attracted to 28 ppg. They are too attracted to star power...They play way too much NBA Live (or 2k) and also live too much by the gospel of Michael Jordan's Bulls.

Noah may not ever become an All-Star and with Anthony you're getting an guaranteed All-Star. Okay...But we're weakening a frontcourt severely why upgrading the SF position. Deng is not a bad SF. He'll never be anything like Anthony..he'll never bring anything Anthony does, but he is serviceable and down the road will be very trade-able. There are many good SF's in this league and there will be plenty more coming through the door.

Noah...theres not too many guys like him...There are only a few good centers in this league and Noah is one of them. We should not just give up a guy like this. Noah still has alot to prove and can do it. Even if he never becomes an All-Star he still does all this stuff that doesnt show up in stats and numbers.

Does he get pushed around yes? Does he get stronger every year? Yes. He had a remarkable improvement last year because he put plenty of time into the gym. In 2008-2009 he started off out of shape and slow and looked like he was on his way to being a bust. By playoff time he was giving it 188% and simply was outmatched by Perkins because Perkins had the beef and build to out-muscle Noah because Noah had not worked on putting on any muscle. The next season he was a stronger player and in my opinion can continue to be a stronger player.

 

[Lefty]

Are Bulls fans overvaluing Joakim Noah again? Look, he's a solid player no doubt, but if he stands in between this team and Carmelo Anthony (and his Bird Rights, if I'm not mistaken), he goes without batting an eye. It's that simple.

 

[NealKleren]

Obviously we would love to keep Noah and get Mello, if you can do it that it would be perfect. But including Noah should not be deal breaker

I know im saying if we have to give up Noah for Melo then so be it.Like X Factor said

"It's more of a game to see if we can make the offer to Denver that will bring us Melo without including Noah. It's probably not going to happen, but kudos to the FO for trying...If Noah is the piece that makes or breaks the deal, he should go. "

And I agree.Im not against Noah being traded for Melo.If we can get around it,that would be so crazy and fantastic and great and every word you could say to describe it lol. But if it comes down to them still wanting Noah then so be it. Being able to have that trio would be crazy. But still lets see if it happens. Sadly we might not get Melo =/

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Bulls should not do it... too much to lose. If Melo really wants to come here, he will next summer.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Giving up Taj Gibson, Luol Deng, and Joakim Noah is a ton to lose, Lefty...

 

[X]

Giving up Taj Gibson, Luol Deng, and Joakim Noah is a ton to lose, Lefty...

for a top 5 player in the league?

 

[NealKleren]

Giving up Taj Gibson, Luol Deng, and Joakim Noah is a ton to lose, Lefty...

I dont think the Bulls should give them Taj if thats the case but Luol and Noah should and might be a good enough deal for Melo

 

[NealKleren]

The Bulls should not do it... too much to lose. If Melo really wants to come here, he will next summer.

Also if thats the case he wont. He more than likely would sign with the Knicks I think maybe (who knows though) but also if he does something its more than likely a sign and trade type situation. Hes not going to let that extra money he can get now sit on the table and sign as a free agent when he could sign an extension and be traded somewhere he wants to while Denver will then almost have to agree to trade him somewhere while getting something back in return for the loss of Melo.

 

[Crystallas]

Are Bulls fans overvaluing Joakim Noah again? Look, he's a solid player no doubt, but if he stands in between this team and Carmelo Anthony (and his Bird Rights, if I'm not mistaken), he goes without batting an eye. It's that simple.

On the contrary, just as many Bulls fans are over-rating Carmelo Anthony, now that we have a chance to get him.

 

[NealKleren]

On the contrary, just as many Bulls fans are over-rating Carmelo Anthony, now that we have a chance to get him.

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