Anthony prefers a trade to the Bulls or Knicks

[RamiTheBullsFan]

so do varejo and gortat asshat.

Varejao isn't going to beat the other C down the floor like Noah will. He isn't that great of a rebounder either.

Marcin Gortat isn't exactly a good transition or defensive guy.

 

[NealKleren]

I say you try and do the deal I said. Deng,Taj,James and two first rounders. And if that doesnt happen and the Nuggets still don't budge,then and only then would I say alright fine,I wish you the best Noah and goodbye Luol Dengs contract(if they trade him with Noah)

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

Who is our C then?

 

[TheStig]

Noah can guard basically any "big" player in the NBA outside of Dwight Howard and Tim Duncan.... maybe Bynum...

Him against Bosh and the Miami frontline sounds like music to my ears. He can guard Bosh, Yao, Gasol, Aldridge, Stoudemire (if he had to), David West, Josh Smith, (insert name here) all somewhat effectively.

No he can't. He routinely gets abused by bigger bigs like Perkins. Go look back at the bulls-celtics series and tell me who was the better center? It was a toss up. Perkins is nothing special.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

joahkim noah for melo is the new deng for gasol.

And a few years later, how does that deal sound???

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Gasol to me was never a 1st tier player. Thats what Gasol would be to the Bulls...Gasol would have prevented us from being in the position to draft Derrick Rose and Deng and Gordon were never going to become All-Stars. Gasol is at best a 2nd option. Deng and Gordon are 3rd options. Gasol needed Kobe Bryant to excel his game. If the Bulls traded for Gasol, they would treat him as 1st option which he can never be. If..and I mean if the Bulls got a 1st option somehow then they would be okay with Gasol, but I never saw that happening given what the Bulls would want Gasol to be.

:rofl:

 

[TheStig]

In Memphis Gasol was surrounded by very mediocre players..And if he was a true alpha dog he would have atleast taken some playoff games.

Kobe elevates Gasol's game so much he makes him look like a much better player. Kobe-Gasol is a duo... Gasol is a post player and Kobe is an all-around talent. The two of them together make it wonderful and make things happen.

Common, he won 50 games a year with that crap and made the playoffs in the West. Gasol was a capable number 1. He'd have been better with our cast. Its not a championship level team but there are only 3-4 of those a year.

Of course adding a top 10 player to his team helped him. It certainly helped Kobe too. He could barely make it into the playoffs before they stole Gasol. Kobe is better but without another great player, they had very similar success.

 

[Adog06]

Who is our C then?

It would probably be Kurt Thomas at first since he has experience then slowly Omer Asik, granted he shows he can ball with the NBA, takes over as full time starter.

 

[TheStig]

seriously if you put varejo, gortat, even brendon haywood on this team, we're closer to a championship if you have melo.


noah is going to get paid. i'd rather pay melo than noah.

you dont explain crap to me. gasol played with pieces of crap around him. if you look at the playoffs last season, gasol was better than a robbin. it was closer to 1a and 1b then it was a robin.

Exactly. Next summer Dampier, Pryzbilla, Chandler and Dalemburt will all hit the FA market. Dampier will be released any day now as he has a non guarnteed contract. That would be my main focus. He will fill in nicely. Any of them is a suitable replacement. We aren't going to get Noah. But then again Melo >>>>>>>> Deng is greater than Noah>>>>> defensive scrub.

The other point not being made is that Noah missed a lot of time last year and has not put together a full high level NBA season. He also was out of shape for most of 08/09. Deng is a frequent injury concern and will miss signifigant time this year since he played for GB. Anthony has never missed a playoff game or played hurt in one and has missed a lot less games than either Deng or Noah.


Edit: We could probably convince them to include the birdman in the deal. If we do that, birdman, Asik, Gibson and Thomas can all split time at C depending on matchup. Utah also last year played with Boozer and Millsap. We can do the same with boozer and gibson.

 

[sicko]

big fan of Noah but...I would have to do this deal, we need a shooter in the starting lineup and this is a great chance to get a STAR FINALLY!!!

not sure what we will do at Center for 1 year but hey, as good as Noah is...he is not a STAR nor do I think he will ever develop into one...BUT I would rather give them Deng, Gibson and Johnson and as many 1st Picks as they want instead of giving up Noah

but if they really have to give up Noah for Melo I think the Bulls have to suck it up and do it and try to find some size, picking up Erick Dampier as Noah's temporary replacement is a GREAT IDEA!

I think they should DO IT!!!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No he can't. He routinely gets abused by bigger bigs like Perkins. Go look back at the bulls-celtics series and tell me who was the better center? It was a toss up. Perkins is nothing special.

Noah is generally fine to guard Kendrick Perkins. They don't run a lot of offense for him, nor could/should they even if they wanted to.

 

[Crystallas]

Solid upgrade at SF and a solid downgrade at C. . . .

It's not so much that Melo isn't worth trading away Noah, but I'm pretty sure that finding a good SF is a lot easier than finding a good C, and I personally hope the Bulls don't send Noah packing. That's just my opinion, I'm not hating on anyone for their opinion, I don't want to lose Noah at this point and time.

 

[methusala]

Crystallas, one thank you doesn't show my full appreciation of that post. So consider this thanks numbers 2-eleventy billion.

 

[houheffna]

Solid upgrade at SF and a solid downgrade at C. . . .

It's not so much that Melo isn't worth trading away Noah, but I'm pretty sure that finding a good SF is a lot easier than finding a good C, and I personally hope the Bulls don't send Noah packing. That's just my opinion, I'm not hating on anyone for their opinion, I don't want to lose Noah at this point and time.

That is not a solid upgrade. You are trading "never beens" for an "is". Melo is a mercurial talent, legit top 5 player arguably. A franchise player. Finding a good SF is one thing, finding a superstar who can score 30ppg and destroy a playoff team when he hits his stride, is quite another.

You can't fall in love with marginal talent. If you do, don't be surprised if management doesn't share that opinion. The Bulls are trying to win. You win with Carmelo Anthony type players teaming with Rose and Boozer. I will say it again, Carmelo is the most complete player in the league when it comes to scoring the ball. Nobody else can do it better right now. You get Anthony on this team, and you can win with Luc Longley at center...or Erick Dampier, who might be available soon.

Trading 2 decent players for an MVP candidate is a no brainer.

 

[TheStig]

Noah is generally fine to guard Kendrick Perkins. They don't run a lot of offense for him, nor could/should they even if they wanted to.

Its not just Perkins, guys like Hortford and Bogut push him around. You make it seem like he is the second coming of Ben Wallace. He's not. He has quite a few flays. I'm not saying a Dampier or Chris Andersen could replace him but they wouldn't send us to the dark ages either.

If we could pull off something along the lines of Melo and Chris Andersen for Deng, Noah and JJ. I think we will be fine platooning Andersen, Asik, Thomas and Gibson at C.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Its not just Perkins, guys like Hortford and Bogut push him around. You make it seem like he is the second coming of Ben Wallace. He's not. He has quite a few flays. I'm not saying a Dampier or Chris Andersen could replace him but they wouldn't send us to the dark ages either.

If we could pull off something along the lines of Melo and Chris Andersen for Deng, Noah and JJ. I think we will be fine platooning Andersen, Asik, Thomas and Gibson at C.

Noah doesn't even have a real NBA body yet... but I understand your points. Low-post scorers beat up Noah... I get that. Noah still can hold his own against guys like Horford and beats all those guys on the boards.

It's not as easy to sell Noah down the river as you think it is... He isn't even a pure C, I know. But he gives you a lot.

 

[methusala]

Gotta love how the appreciation level for Noah has changed in this thread vs. a few months ago.

Seems many aren't as much trying to convince others that trading Noah for Melo is a great idea, but that they are trying to convince themselves.

 

[TheStig]

Noah doesn't even have a real NBA body yet... but I understand your points. Low-post scorers beat up Noah... I get that. Noah still can hold his own against guys like Horford and beats all those guys on the boards.

It's not as easy to sell Noah down the river as you think it is... He isn't even a pure C, I know. But he gives you a lot.

He certainly is good but flawed. I'll take a downgrade to a Chris Andersen or Dampier from Noah to get Melo. Loosing Noah's offensive abilities and that is where the downgrade is. Noah is an excellent offensive rebounder and good passer. Melo is also a good offensive rebounder and passer. I don't see a big decline. On the defensive end, the lower end centers will give you very similar production.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

I personally when we drafted him did NOT LIKE NOAH! But he's grown on me. He's gotten better and one of my favs. His passion and hard work is appreciated. Now, I would NOT trade him! I'd offer Deng, JJ, Gibson and a couple picks. Take it or leave it.

 

[houheffna]

I personally when we drafted him did NOT LIKE NOAH! But he's grown on me. He's gotten better and one of my favs. His passion and hard work is appreciated. Now, I would NOT trade him! I'd offer Deng, JJ, Gibson and a couple picks. Take it or leave it.

That is the thing...its not about "like". I "liked" Kirk Hinrich...so long! I used to like Eddy Curry...bye! Its about winning. Carmelo gets you close to it than Noah will.

This is the SAME conversation people were having a few years ago when people wouldn't dare trade Deng for Kobe...that sounds absolutely crazy right now.

I don't think the Bulls are going to make the mistake of falling in love with certain players anymore. Just can't do it and win...