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Question....What would it take for you guys to keep him?
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At least if we resign Mitch as a backup, the O can stay consistent if Wentz misses a game. The Mitch/Foles dichotomy seemed odd outside of Mitch learning how to run an O he couldn't.
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This one is interesting and a great question.
I actually think Carr went through a Wentz 2020 type season. He broke his leg at the end of the 2016 season and had a rocky 1-2 seasons that followed. He started to check the ball down more and really lost a lot of the 'franchise QB' excitement that was there earlier in his career. Was sacked 51 times in 2018 and a lot of that was on him. He looked a little lost at times, focused on the pass rush, not how he's supposed to execute the next play.
Things I like more about Carr:
- Less fumbles (but still more than you'd like)
- Higher completion rate
- Better track record for staying healthy (and a better style of play to avoid injury).
- More consistent
- He's never been a disturbance - Heard him in trade talks the past few years. Never makes it an issue and does his job.
Things I like more about Wentz:
- When play breaks down, he looks for a kill shot. That often can't be taught.
- Better runner.
- Better deep ball touch.
- Better overall talent and has a higher chance of elevating the players around him.
- Better in cold weather situations - Went to North Dakota St. for college. Nuf said.
- He hates losing. I'm not saying Carr likes it, but he's had a lot of failure and appears to move forward without getting too stirred up.
Who's the better QB? Tough one. I'd say Carr is more consistent, but Wentz has a higher ceiling. I compare Carr to Cousins. That's honestly not an insult. He's a lot better than many fans think, but just doesn't have those elite traits that some of the top guys have. Carr is a good athlete and has an arm, but just leaves me thinking he'll be a top 15 guy his career, but never a top 5.
This is all academic because the real question is are they both available and what's the respective cost? I know we get rumors, but I'm confident NFL teams have placed the calls and know on a high level if there's even a deal to be had.
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I thought this question may have angered you as you had ignored it and the fumbling one. Now you've answered both!
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Him to want to stay.
Originally when I heard that the Eagles weren't shopping him and wanted him to stay I thought that was just there way of drumming up interest. When Schefter reported that's what happening I changed my thinking there.
Honestly, if he called up the GM/owner and said "I'm in for 2021 and can't wait to get to work" the Eagles would let all the teams know he's not for sale.
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Carr in cold weather games is not good at all. I like him but don't like him in those cold weather games.
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You can talk up Wentz all you want, I'm always going to be opposed to getting him. Hurts is definitely going to be awesome in Philly, I'd rather the Bears go after someone in the draft even though they have failed every time rather than getting Wentz, who either wont be any good here or will be injured 70% percent of the time.
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Eagles would keep Wentz if they could, but I think that ship has sailed. Wentz just does not trust the front office. The problem in Philly seems to be with the front office, not with Wentz.
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I guess ill ask a real question or questions @Pegger .If the bears do trade for Wentz as an Eagles fan would rather have
The Bears 2021 First and 2022 first
Or
The Bears 2021 First, Foles and and offense player ( If this one, who would you like?)
Also if Wentz reverts back to 2019 firm would you consider it a steal fir the bears regardless of what they give up?
The Bears 2021 First and 2022 first
Or
The Bears 2021 First, Foles and and offense player ( If this one, who would you like?)
Also if Wentz reverts back to 2019 firm would you consider it a steal fir the bears regardless of what they give up?
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I don't really think it's the FO that he's got a problem with. After all, GM Howie Roseman has a big fathead type sticker of him in his office and really likes him. I think when Howie looks back at all the homework needed to identify him, all the wheelin' and dealin' needed to get to #2 that was his most hands on GM type thing he's ever done.
I think he wants out because that's what he decided shortly after being benched. One thing not mentioned is that he's deeply religious. I say this only because he's a man of conviction. When he makes up his mind that's what he's doing. He might not vocalize it, but it sure as hell will happen. It might be a combination of the city itself and the Foles then Hurts QB controversy, but overall he reached a point where he wanted a change of scenery. Once he set his mind on it there was no deviating.
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I heard Wentz just dislikes Howie Roseman. He takes calls from coaches and the owner, but not him. Seems like Wentz just doesn't trust Howie's ability to surround him with talent and help him win.
My thoughts are this is a pretty bold move by Wentz. Howie surrounded him with enough talent to win a Superbowl, right? The projected starters on offense were one of the better OLs, Jeffery, Jackson, 1st round pick and a really good TE combo in Ertz and Goeddert. Add in the RBs, who are pretty good and this offense on paper was set up to succeed. If this was all about how they handled Foles and the drafting of Hurts I don't know what to say. It's football. You need depth across the field including the QB spot.
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Much less?
I believe its because we have those contracts and the contract we don't want to have that we will win this sweepstakes.
Think about...Fuller and Foles fix the cap acquisition issue and Philly takes salary back but gets to pair Fuller with Slay, and sell the fans Foles as Hurts back-up.
The Bears negotiated already once with Roquan, so they probably don't want to do that again. LOL!! Seriously, so they trade him off before they have to pay him. You know he probably already made demands based on tackles before he cleaned out his locker. So I think that part of the trade checks out.
Meanwhile...2 firsts is what its going to take and we need this. We might need Reagor back instead of Alshon.
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I'd want the 2 firsts.
when it comes to players here's what I'm seeing and my thoughts:
- Foles - Nice story, but he's a backup. If Hurts doesn't work it's not like Foles can carry the team for a season. I'd rather draft someone later or sign a vet with a more flexible deal than Foles had (2022 is $8M).
- Miller - He's kinda like Agholor. Does some nice stuff, but every time he drops the ball you die a bit inside.
- Cohen - IMHO he's more expensive and gives you less than Boston Scott.
- Roquon - I'm interested, but don't really think this is on the table.
- Fuller - Great player, can't afford.
Regarding him getting back to 2019 I actually expect it to happen. Part of Wentz wants out because he feels that's his best opportunity to get back to high level QB play. Pair that up with Di Filippo and getting back to there is a realistic expectation. If/when he reverts back to 'franchise QB' level of play then he's worth more than 2 firsts, so there's value.
The risk/reward is pretty simple for the Bears. The risk is that he's broken and unfixable and you lose future assets to learn that lesson first hand. The reward is franchise QB. The potential kicker is his ~$25M/year contract with very little guaranteed cash is easy to work with.
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If he really is that type of head case, then Nagy's "Be you" locker room might be the best place for him.
Flip to be bad cop, Nagy good cop.
If his issues are mostly mental or needing a place he feels he belongs, this could work. Tannehill 2.0
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BUT THAT MEANS HE HAS THE GOODS AND THEY JUST NEED TO BE REPAIRED
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I appreciate this info,
but with all due respect, sounds kind of bullshit
I don't see anything in your list that other QBs haven't dealt with
I don't see enough to explain the drop. Somethin in that kid broke and to me, this list doesn't seem to illuminate that at all
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Talk yourself into it. You know you want to....
all you got to do is watch the highlights from his first 2 years
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what I DO know tho, is the NFL will never run out of coaches that think they can be the one to fix a busted ass QB
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Ill admit its hard not to have a glimmer of excitement along with a stomach full of vomit when considering it.
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