Caleb isn't ready..

[DefNextYear]

The current "our QB sucks and it's all over AGAIN" climate around here after Caleb's 2 games in the NFL make me want to consider a lurking vacation... sure many more threads to come.

It’s not so bad here. I’m seeing way worse elsewhere to be honest.

Truth is some people want to just be upset about things. Everyone reasonable expected the team to not be great with a rookie. History shows that’s the case a vast majority of the time. Then… slap on that the only returning weapons are DJ and Kmet… another starter that’s a rookie… and a whole new offensive coaching staff. This team was always set to need time.

But, as I said, some people want to be mad and take victory laps for the punishment they took all offseason when Fields was traded. Even if you said these things months ago, they said they don’t want excuses for a “generational” player. People took the most overzealous of the fan base and extrapolated those feelings onto everyone and now say “everyone was saying… [insert something not everyone was saying]”, just to throw a strawman out there to feel they are justified.

That said, I still think this team will look much different on offense by midseason. It’ll be rocky for a bit though. And unfortunately for us, the next two teams are capable of winning. The noise will get louder if they can’t muster up something that’s more NFL productive quickly.

 

[Madisoncubaholic]

His wildly inconsistent accuracy is pretty concerning

I don’t recall under throws and over throws consistently so far off the target ? The dude has not consistently completed passes longer than the first down marker.

 

[HeHateMe]

Looks like it's time for Bagent?

 

[Chicoman]

I thought that, while not perfect by any means, the oline and CW did ok in the first half when he got rid of the ball quickly. Then all hell broke loose in the 2nd half, with pressing, bad field position, and a constant lack of adjustment. CW's awareness went down sharply, he started throwing the ball up for grabs, and he got absolutely no help from the run game.

This is on waldron, morgan, snd IMO flus too who as a previous D coordinator should be demanding that they adjust their protection, even if it means max protection and calming things down..

 

[Moses Moreno]

It’s not so bad here. I’m seeing way worse elsewhere to be honest.

Truth is some people want to just be upset about things. Everyone reasonable expected the team to not be great with a rookie. History shows that’s the case a vast majority of the time. Then… slap on that the only returning weapons are DJ and Kmet… another starter that’s a rookie… and a whole new offensive coaching staff. This team was always set to need time.

But, as I said, some people want to be mad and take victory laps for the punishment they took all offseason when Fields was traded. Even if you said these things months ago, they said they don’t want excuses for a “generational” player. People took the most overzealous of the fan base and extrapolated those feelings onto everyone and now say “everyone was saying… [insert something not everyone was saying]”, just to throw a strawman out there to feel they are justified.

That said, I still think this team will look much different on offense by midseason. It’ll be rocky for a bit though. And unfortunately for us, the next two teams are capable of winning. The noise will get louder if they can’t muster up something that’s more NFL productive quickly.

Caleb was over hyped in the offseason and Justin was torn down - not by the fan base but rather the media.

Not Caleb's fault but the rose colored glasses do nothing to help him. When he's had a chance to push it down the field, he's missed every single throw.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835550370879205783

He has to win over the lockeroom with his play. Being a cool dude and whatnot is great, but make plays and people will **** with you. Keep on missing and you're Mitch 2.0.

 

[msadows]

Caleb was over hyped in the offseason and Justin was torn down - not by the fan base but rather the media.

Not Caleb's fault but the rose colored glasses do nothing to help him. When he's had a chance to push it down the field, he's missed every single throw.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835550370879205783

He has to win over the lockeroom with his play. Being a cool dude and whatnot is great, but make plays and people will **** with you. Keep on missing and you're Mitch 2.0.

My fav troll comment is that he looks like if mitch and fields had a baby

 

[dennehy]

He actually made a perfect throw 30 yards downfield, drawing the PI and leading to the TD, one of the few plays when he had more than 2 seconds. Just doesn't count in the box score.

 

[DefNextYear]

Caleb was over hyped in the offseason and Justin was torn down - not by the fan base but rather the media.

Not Caleb's fault but the rose colored glasses do nothing to help him. When he's had a chance to push it down the field, he's missed every single throw.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835550370879205783

He has to win over the lockeroom with his play. Being a cool dude and whatnot is great, but make plays and people will **** with you. Keep on missing and you're Mitch 2.0.

I agree that even parts of the fanbase were overhyping Caleb too. Fans want to be optimistic and excited. I don't blame em. And yea, some media was doing the same thing. Media is funny though... some part of what they do is also to generate views and Caleb's name generates clicks. Chicago Bears talk also generates clicks.

But all that said, we know the personalities that these people all have. We can see level headed and overzealous. There's a small portion of each population being too overly confident or too pessimistic on things... it's life. But, in here, a lot of people were pretty split on Fields vs Caleb and most just stood in to support the QB we were given once the decisions were made.

I think a lot of all this is a result of people wanting to say there were right cause this topic was toxic. Debate was rough for so long... then Fields was traded and there was a group of people who took victory laps when it happened. Now, some on the other side are taking their lap cause it's the "I told you it wasn't Fields". Reality is that it's in the middle somewhere... and the sensational posts here and there get even more oversensionalized and then plastered as a generalization of entire groups. But again, reality is that a lot of people were just trying to be quietly and cautiously optimistic cause we've been burned so often. Most people reasonably were saying how they "think" it will play out, not prophesying.

 

[oso4lyf]

So, you're trying to tell me that for the third straight time giving a deadbeat HC a first round QB for one year isn't going to work

 

[Zero2Cool]

I like this throwing motion. And he seems to toss a pretty pass. If the OL gives him time and the play caller sets up plays of high success, it'll go long ways for this kid. I've said it here before though. I like Drake Maye more than Caleb Williams. And I think Patriots are doing right by letting Drake sit and learn. Caleb would probably have benefited from that same patience.

 

[BradyJay]

After 2 games, what would you say Caleb does well? I'm struggling answering that question..

 

[Bearly]

On the road against one of the best teams in the league and we were in it to the end even with the offense struggling mightily. It's like people need something to be pissed about.

This and lots of misses against 1 on 1s and mixed coverages that will be completions or at least prevented INTs as they better learn each other.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

2 plays in the 4th quarter really sum it up.

The 3rd down pass to Moore on the left sideline (before the FG) and the 4th down pass on the last drive to Odunze. Both passes looked like some kind of miscommunication. I get that Caleb is a rookie and they have not had time to gel together but these looked like simple reads that were open. Not sure who is at fault but it's concerning that the Bears offense can't get out of the stone age.

 

[Bearly]

You're a complete idiot (speaking broadly here) if you didn't think the offense (and Caleb) would need time to figure things out. New system, lots of new guys all over. It doesn't help that the interior of the line is getting killed and teams are exploiting that until we prove we can stop it.

Waldron needs to adjust, the interior needs to get better and Caleb needs to continue to get reps and learn from his mistakes.

What's concerning is the lack of a run game with Swift getting blown up in the backfield so often. That and the lack of big plays. With a guy like Caleb you're counting on some big plays to carry us through the learning process of play to play, getting the ball out quickly, getting in a rhythm and so on. We're lucky to have a defense playing lights out while the offense tries to get their shit together. Everyone knows the defense can't dominate for 35 minutes per game and hold teams below 17 every game to win.

No one expected us to win in Houston and we didn't. It's a miracle we were in it to the last possession even with so many issues on offense. That's encouraging, not something to complain about.

Biggest disappointments so far are Swift and and the OC. Not the worst things on the team but most below expectation.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Biggest disappointments so far are Swift and and the OC. Not the worst things on the team but most below expectation.

Caleb's down field accuracy is the biggest issue right now. Gotta make the plays when they're there otherwise we're better off with fucking Bagent.

 

[Bearly]

Seeing what I saw in DJ's face was pretty fucking scary.

Keenan is clearly on Caleb's side but if he ain't playing what good is that. DJ looked absolutely at 10 on about 5 plays today. Caleb needs to get his shit together ASAP because this team knows they're ready to win right fucking now. The fan base has his back but the lockeroom might not.

Caleb was throwing those under so DJ would have an advantage and is the normal process when blanketed. DJ wants it thrown to him and to fight for the catch. They'll figure it out,

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Biggest disappointments so far are Swift and and the OC. Not the worst things on the team but most below expectation.

It's the OC. Swift has not been good but the OL has been so bad that there really is not much he could have done IMO.

These empty set 5 wide plays leaving Caleb out to dry are ridiculous. And the wide run play calls to have Swift lose 5 yards to get into 3rd and long because no one can block on the edge of a running play. The formations are obvious what they are trying to run for the average fan. The other team has to be sitting back there licking their chops. There is no innovation whatsoever.

 

[Nads786]

Regarding Caleb - so many good traits - knows where to go with the ball, quick release, escapability. My biggest concern with him is down field accuracy.

He has to improve that otherwise he's going to have a mediocre year.

 

[Bearly]

Swift has looked serviceable and no more. Lacking extra yards after contact not that elusive nor outrunning the edge. Jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[Bearly]

Regarding Caleb - so many good traits - knows where to go with the ball, quick release, escapability. My biggest concern with him is down field accuracy.

He has to improve that otherwise he's going to have a mediocre year.

I'm hoping much of that is just not being on the same page as WRs on covered/broken routes.