CCS: lebron is the best at everything

[houheffna]

Having watched both of them play. Jordan was way more fundamentally sound. He was quicker, faster, had a basketball IQ through the roof, and was just an overall better player on both ends of the court. Kobe was never known as a great defender. A good defender, yes, but great, no. Jordan was one of the best perimeter defenders in league history.

He's top 5 all time is scoring and steals, actually Top 3 all time, and that;s having taken two breaks in his career.

Kobe was just never a smart basketball player. He never bothered to find that balance of getting his teammates involved and dominating the game when needed. Jordan did., and that's what makes him in a whole different class than Kobe. Never mind the fact that his FG% for someone who took as many shots as he has is able to be rounded to 50%. For a 2 guard, that's insane!

Kobe has no shot at getting there, because he never met a a bad shot he did like. Did Jordan take some bad shots? Sure. He did take a lot of good shots, hence the high FG%, and that's also with his 3-point% bringing it down, and his Wizards years (which weren't as bad as people make them out to be, given his age and time off).

Jordan was a better attacker of the basket, mid-range shooter, on ball defender, help defender, open court defender, finisher around the rim, shot blocker, passing lane player, I can go on and on.

Kobe is not in Jordan's league. Period. You watched them both, so you know of what I speak. I've watched Jordan since UNC, before I knew he would be a Bull. I watched him in the 84 Olympics in LA, so I've seen enough of him to give that assessment.

I totally disagree with your assessment, but that is besides the point. you based it on what they did on the court, not how many rings they have. So you need rings to compare Karl Malone to Tim Duncan? Why does Lebron need 3 rings to be comparable in any way to Jordan and Kobe or anybody?

 

[houheffna]

If you're set at a certain position, it becomes a luxury, more so than a need.

We had NO ONE at the SG & PF spots, so those were NEEDS that needed to filled.

So the Bulls shouldn't have gone after Kobe in 2007 because they already had Ben Gordon? Lol...I don't think so.

 

[Glide2keva]

I totally disagree with your assessment, but that is besides the point. You based it on what they did on the court, not how many rings they have. So you need rings to compare Karl Malone to Tim Duncan? Why does Lebron need 3 rings to be comparable in any way to Jordan and Kobe or anybody?

Okay, you're just being contrary.

I said Kobe has 5 rings, but he isn't in Jordan's league. I based that on how they played.

Based on how lebron plays, he can put up the same stats or better than some of the all time greats, so you have to judge him differently, plus he has high BBall IQ and he makes good basketball decisions on the court more so than Kobe does in all his years. lebron should be winning multiple titles, but he isn't because he doesn't have what the other guys had, and that's that killer instinct. So, lebron has to win a few in order to sit amongst the greats to me.

Kobe has the rings, so you have to judge him against the greats and his play doesn't stack up. lebron's play does, he just doesn't have the rings, and until he gets them, he can't truly sit there with them.

 

[FirstTimer]

We could have and probably still would have signed Boozer. We had room for two max contracts. We wouldn't have had the bench filled out the way we did, but I doubt that matters much with LeBron James on the team.

Deng could have been moved, though at that point if would have been harder because at that point he was still considered vastly overpaid for what he was. Now teams would be more inclined to take him, but I also feel the Bulls would have found a way to acquire a SG for Deng if need be.

LOL based on what?

 

[Glide2keva]

So the Bulls shouldn't have gone after Kobe in 2007 because they already had Ben Gordon? Lol...I don't think so.

You just like saying stuff just to hear yourself talk right?

I wasn't on board for the Kobe thing either, for the record and that had nothing to do with Gordon. Kobe was using the Bulls to make the Lakers make a move and it worked. he had no intention of coming here.

 

[houheffna]

Okay, you're just being contrary.

I said Kobe has 5 rings, but he isn't in Jordan's league. I based that on how they played.

Based on how lebron plays, he can put up the same stats or better than some of the all time greats, so you have to judge him differently, plus he has high BBall IQ and he makes good basketball decisions on the court more so than Kobe does in all his years. lebron should be winning multiple titles, but he isn't because he doesn't have what the other guys had, and that's that killer instinct. So, lebron has to win a few in order to sit amongst the greats to me.

Kobe has the rings, so you have to judge him against the greats and his play doesn't stack up. lebron's play does, he just doesn't have the rings, and until he gets them, he can't truly sit there with them.

I am not being contrary, you are. You reasoning for why Lebron didn't win a title is off base. Kobe, Michael, Lebron...all put up dominant stats. So why does Lebron skill wise not get in the photo for comparison? Lebron's killer instincts is not the reason he doesn't have rings. Last year was the first time Lebron James had a championship team based on talent. The Cavaliers were all about James and nobody else.

And again, your assessment of Kobe makes no damn sense. All of a sudden Kobe Bryant has a low basketball IQ? OK!

I guess the issue is Oscar Robertson had no problem comparing Lebron to the greats, neither did Pippen. Rings are not a rite of passage to that conversation, the abilities and skills of the players should be.

 

[FirstTimer]

You just like saying stuff just to hear yourself talk right?

I wasn't on board for the Kobe thing either, for the record and that had nothing to do with Gordon. Kobe was using the Bulls to make the Lakers make a move and it worked. he had no intention of coming here.

You're now challenging Rami for biggest idiot on the board.

 

[Uman85]

 

[Glide2keva]

I am not being contrary, you are. Your reasoning for why Lebron didn't win a title is off base.

How so?

Kobe, Michael, Lebron, all put up dominant stats. So why does Lebron skill wise not get in the photo for comparison?

0 rings.

Lebron's killer instincts is not the reason he doesn't have rings.

Then what is?

Last year was the first time Lebron James had a championship team based on talent. The Cavaliers were all about James and nobody else.

But they were good enough to win 127 games and be the favorites to win it all for two years straight. He has to lead them there and his last two losses in Cleveland rest solely on him quitting on his team when it got rough. he was passive and didn't want the ball, especially in his last game in a Cavs uni.

And again, your assessment of Kobe makes no damn sense. All of a sudden Kobe Bryant has a low basketball IQ? OK!

It's not all of a sudden, he's always had a low basketball IQ. He knows how to score and make himself look good, he cares very little for the rest of his team. He's never evidenced anything different throughout his career. There is no reason a guy in his 16th season should have to be told that he has to pass the ball to his big men. He should've figured that out by now. He hasn't.

I guess the issue is Oscar Robertson had no problem comparing Lebron to the greats, neither did Pippen. Rings are not a rite of passage to that conversation, the abilities and skills of the players should be.

To me rings mean something when you're the leader of the team. You play to win championships. If you're not trying to win championships, then why are you even playing.

 

[Glide2keva]

You're now challenging Rami for biggest idiot on the board.

So you ignored the second part of what I said then huh?

 

[FirstTimer]

So you ignored the second part of what I said then huh?

No.
I read it. Shook my head and moved on.

 

[FirstTimer]

0 rings.

There are plenty of absurdly talented players with no rings.

LOL at this.

Cleveland rest solely on him quitting on his team when it got rough.

Dude went for 27/19/10
LOL at "quit"

 

[Glide2keva]

No.
I read it. Shook my head and moved on.

Okay, so you must not thin that he was using the Bulls to get the lakers to make a move, then?

There was no way a trade was going to happen. He put them in a Catch 22 situation. The Lakers wanted Luol Deng in return and Kobe wasn't going if Deng was included in the trade. So that means he had no intention of coming here.

 

[Glide2keva]

There are plenty of absurdly talented players with no rings.

LOL at this.




Dude went for 27/19/10
LOL at "quit"

Way to cherry pick my quotes.

How about quoting what I actually said instead of specially picked words to try and make me look bad.

 

[FirstTimer]

Okay, so you must not thin that he was using the Bulls to get the lakers to make a move, then?

Irrelevant.

You saying you "weren't for the Kobe trade" is idiotic.

Regardless of what Kobe's intentions were that doesn't mean you shouldn't have been for him coming here had it been able to be worked out.

Your conspiratorial Kobe shit is irrellevant.

 

[FirstTimer]

Way to cherry pick my quotes.

How about quoting what I actually said instead of specially picked words to try and make me look bad.

You look bad on your own.

LOL at Lebron "quitting" in his final game as a Cav yet going for 27/19/10.

If that's the case it's the most impressive triple double in history.

BRB going to go be "passive" and quit in an NBA playoff game and get a Triple Double.

 

[houheffna]

How so?

0 rings.

Then what is?

But they were good enough to win 127 games and be the favorites to win it all for two years straight. He has to lead them there and his last two losses in Cleveland rest solely on him quitting on his team when it got rough. he was passive and didn't want the ball, especially in his last game in a Cavs uni.

It's not all of a sudden, he's always had a low basketball IQ. He knows how to score and make himself look good, he cares very little for the rest of his team. He's never evidenced anything different throughout his career. There is no reason a guy in his 16th season should have to be told that he has to pass the ball to his big men. He should've figured that out by now. He hasn't.



To me rings mean something when you're the leader of the team. You play to win championships. If you're not trying to win championships, then why are you even playing.

1. Saying Kobe has a low basketball IQ is very much basketball Special person. IQ isn't about being selfish or being selfless. So Jordan was basketball stupid until Phil Jackson showed up? I don't think so.

2. Luol Deng was better than everybody on that Cavs roster except LBJ in 2006 when they made the finals. And you are not winning with Mo Williams as the second guy on your team. Not happening. Those teams didn't have enough talent to win. he was also frustrated because he was the best player in the league, and he didn't have a top 30 player on his team.

 

[houheffna]

There are plenty of absurdly talented players with no rings.

LOL at this.




Dude went for 27/19/10
LOL at "quit"

What was that word Glide2keva likes to say???

"OWNAGE"!!!

 

[Glide2keva]

1. Saying Kobe has a low basketball IQ is very much basketball Special person. IQ isn't about being selfish or being selfless. So Jordan was basketball stupid until Phil Jackson showed up? I don't think so.

Kobe has a low basketball IQ not only because of that, but also because he doesn't know when to make the right play. That's what separates him.

2. Luol Deng was better than everybody on that Cavs roster except LBJ in 2006 when they made the finals. And you are not winning with Mo Williams as the second guy on your team. Not happening. Those teams didn't have enough talent to win. He was also frustrated because he was the best player in the league, and he didn't have a top 30 player on his team.

2007, Miami won in 2006 and the Spurs beat the Cavs in four games in 2007.

 

[Glide2keva]

What was that word Glide2keva likes to say???

"OWNAGE"!!!

I said that one time, hardly qualifies as likes to say.

And whatever dude, I tried to have a conversation with you and all you do is hurl insults. (Of which I have yet to do to you.) FT is a troll so what he says means very little.