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Fixed.
Fixed.
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I question your basketball IQ. When you insinuate that one of the great players in NBA history is dumb on the basketball court...it shows that you don't know what you are watching. Kobe is one of the most intelligent players in the game, and has been for quite some time. You say he is good not great defensively...can you name a player who was all league first team defense 10 times and wasn't a great defender? I would like to see that list.
My issue with you is that you don't seem to understand objective thinking, you vilify people like myself for calling things the way we see it, because you have a "wrasslin'" fan type attitude to the Bulls and the NBA. You can't give a reasonable assessment of a player's game or their place in history...because you don't like them, because they are the nemesis. Its sad, but do your thing brother.
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Thats why Jordan is one league above Kobe:
6× NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
6× NBA Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2009,2010)
You can say 100 reasons why he is above everyone by far but there is no need to say more than this.It is a pity he didn't win 8 consecutive championships so that noone could dare to make this comparisons.
6× NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
6× NBA Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2009,2010)
You can say 100 reasons why he is above everyone by far but there is no need to say more than this.It is a pity he didn't win 8 consecutive championships so that noone could dare to make this comparisons.
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Now here you go missing the whole got damn point. It doesn't matter how many titles a player wins. You judge them based on what they can and cannot do on the basketball court...period!
Do you think Duncan is better than Karl Malone? If so, based on what?
Do you think Nowitzki is better than Barkley? Based on what?
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Duncan>Malone
Barkley> Dirk easily IMO
And frankly I wouldn't say Kobe and Jordan are close as players. Statistically, awards wise, etc Kobe doesn't match up really..and that's before factoring in rings.
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I think Jordan is the best ever, but I think Kobe is worthy of comparison and there can be some level of discussion...what I was trying to point out is that saying because a player has rings that he is on another level if they are both great players is erroneous thinking. Just as you feel Barkley trumps Nowitzki. An argument can be had, but I think its crazy to say Nowtizki is better because he has a ring and Barkley doesn't. I would say Garnett is one of the greatest based on his years in Minnesota opposed to his years in Boston.
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Honestly...I don't.
But whatever.
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damn glide got ***** slapped
is kobe comparable to jordan? in the sense of the word yes
but jordan is in a completely different league
is kobe comparable to jordan? in the sense of the word yes
but jordan is in a completely different league
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Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are much farther apart on the greatest scale than Karl Malone and Tim Duncan. Malone and Duncan are much more interchangeable as overall players. Jordan was way too dominant in a couple of facets of the game including ability to finish at the rim and mid-range game for Bryant to compete with him. The one thing Bryant really has over Jordan is his three-point shooting and he wasn't even dominant in that facet of the game.
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Number of rings are an absolutely asinine point to bring up when comparing two players. Or else Robert Horry > pretty much all.
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no its not when you take into account context
like who was on the team around the player, was the player the LEADER of the team..you know that kind of stuff(i mean robert horry was not ever even a 3rd or 4th option)
then the rings argument is justifiable
but ya you cant go around saying a guy is better just because he won this many rings or something..you have to be a lot more specific
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Right... I can at least halfway respect the number championships won as the best player on a team. But I'm not sure how much importance I would give that either.
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Jordan was physically more gifted, and mentally stronger (which is saying something)...other than that, Kobe in his prime could do damn near everything on a basketball court Jordan could do. He modeled his game after Jordan on both sides of the court and came awfully close.
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No.The line behind their championships was the point.
And Duncan>Malone.
Malone is my favorite PF ever played the game.But Duncan is simply the best one ever played the game.If you ask me 10 times who was the best PF and I answer simultaneously I will probably answer in all of them Malone.But just because he was my favourite.He wasn't Duncan though and I know it.
He did everything that a PF must do in the court.Offense,defense,fundamentals,rebounding,passing,clutch player,agile,game-changer,winner by all means.He did everything a tall guy must do just perfect.And yes you can't erase someones rings so easily.Especially when he was the Final MVP in most of them.
Malone was a beast in scoring and rebounding.But he did not have the quality Duncan had in his game.
Duncan's games must be viewed in basketball seminars about how a tall guy must play.He is easily a top10 ever played the game.Not only best PF ever played the game.
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Honestly, Dwyane Wade has the closer model of Jordan's game than Kobe does - not to say both players didn't model themselves after Jordan. Bryant is one of the all-time greats but I think he, more-so than Jordan, has that feeling of entitlement. And what I mean by that is Jordan always had this feeling like people were trying to take something away from him. Bryant seems more like no matter what happens, at the end of the day, he already feels pretty good about the end result.
And when it comes to the actual physical tools and skills, Jordan is at least slightly better almost the entire way across the board except when it comes to shooting range.
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I'm not even sure if you can say Duncan>KG in both of their primes. Malone had some clear upside over every PF in the history of the game... his scoring was pretty much unmatched. And while his defense wasn't quite like KG's or Duncan's, he was still a powerhouse in the post defensively.
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its pretty damn important...it doesnt have as much weight as some assume it does...but nonetheless you cant disregard championships
a guy(like a top option) who's won a couple of rings will probably have the edge over a player with similar stats with no rings
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GOAT:JOHNSON,JORDAN,BIRD,DUNCAN,KAREEM
Bench:STOCTON,KOBE,Dr. J,MALONE,HAKEEM
My favorite:
Nash,Jordan,Pippen,Malone,Hakeem
Bench:STOCTON,KOBE,Dr. J,MALONE,HAKEEM
My favorite:
Nash,Jordan,Pippen,Malone,Hakeem
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That is totally inaccurate. That is more of an accusation towards Lebron than Kobe. Kobe cares about winning...
What you stated is totally different from the reason Larry Bird said he wanted to play with him.
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Kobe may be more competitive than most. But was he anywhere near the level of Jordan in that regard? No. I think sometimes Kobe's cockiness is mistaken for competitiveness.