Cubs Haren-Marmol Trade Off Because Twitter is Full of Shit

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Ugh god, I hate having to listen to LW Holmes talk about baseball. Painful, painful stuff.
 
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dabynsky said:
Sure but that was Haren at his worst. Sure there is no guarantee that he returns to previous form, though Haren's number were ballooned a bit with a 27 runs in 23 inning stretch while trying to pitch through being hurt. If he is the guy he was last year which is 180 innings of roughly league average starter. That is trading a reliever for a starter. The Cubs made out really well if this deal does happen.
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180 IP of MLB average is much better (read: valuable) than 60-70 IP of average.
 

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so what? you got a filler that wont give up 8 runs a game....Again I get why the cubs did it or are trying to do it....but he just isnt that good. on paper a reliever for starter is a good deal possibly for the cubs as a starter to fill a hole is harder to get than a reliever but to start stroking theo is a bit premature. again it wasnt just last year, he has been declining in velocity longer than that.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=1757&position=P&pitch=FA
 
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CarWars79 said:
so what? you got a filler that wont give up 8 runs a game....Again I get why the cubs did it or are trying to do it....but he just isnt that good. on paper a reliever for starter is a good deal possibly for the cubs as a starter to fill a hole is harder to get than a reliever but to start stroking theo is a bit premature. again it wasnt just last year, he has been declining in velocity longer than that.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=1757&position=P&pitch=FA
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And he was really good with that declining velocity. I get it Theo made the move so it can't be that good. But the Cubs team would be better if this trade goes through, and if Haren returns to anything close to what he was pre-2012 then he becomes a huge trade chip at the deadline.
 

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Theo saw Dewey not approve of it and backed out :yep:
 

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Speculation is that no done deal since they are waiting for MLB approval on money being sent over. Of course still talking to other teams while they have time to see if anybody offers better than Marmol
 

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wow. both of you are idiots. cant read?

Il speak slower for you 2 morons:

1) good trade as a starter is harder to find than a reliever (theo made the right move)

2) at the same time it doesnt make theo "boss" or fap worthy....and like dabs says...."theo did it so it has to be bad and stuffz" actually its quite obvious from responses that its "no matter what theo does its the bestest moveszz everszz"

3) yeah he pitched good with velocity down a couple of years ago, but it doesnt change the trend that his velocity keeps getting worse and that he isnt the same pitcher, add the fact that his innings load since he came in the league is insane all while being now 32....regression much?

again for the idiots....move had to be made....good move to get rid of a reliever for a guy to fill a hole as a starter.
 
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CarWars79 said:
wow. both of you are idiots. cant read?

Il speak slower for you 2 morons:

1) good trade as a starter is harder to find than a reliever (theo made the right move)

2) at the same time it doesnt make theo "boss" or fap worthy....and like dabs says...."theo did it so it has to be bad and stuffz" actually its quite obvious from responses that its "no matter what theo does its the bestest moveszz everszz"

3) yeah he pitched good with velocity down a couple of years ago, but it doesnt change the trend that his velocity keeps getting worse and that he isnt the same pitcher, add the fact that his innings load since he came in the league is insane all while being now 32....regression much?

again for the idiots....move had to be made....good move to get rid of a reliever for a guy to fill a hole as a starter.
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So... Who will be our closer? Dolis? Cabrera?...Vitters?
 

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Speculation is that no done deal since they are waiting for MLB approval on money being sent over. Of course still talking to other teams while they have time to see if anybody offers better than Marmol
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Is that jntg "speculation" or do you have a tweet or a source? that would be nice to know.
 

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Cabrera is going to be a starter in Iowa, Russell would be my pick for now. I say we sign somebody and flip him though, like the speculation the team wanted to sign a non-closer and then make him into a closer and trade him as a more valuable chip. Like that idea.
 
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CarWars79 said:
Good move? yes. still doesnt change the above sheep like responses.
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To play devil's advocate...

Let's say that Gordon Beckham made a spectacular game saving play that resulted in a positive result for the White Sox. Is that not :fap: worthy? I would be excited if Darwin Barney made a spectacular game saving play in a largely lost season that resulted in a positive result, and I wouldn't begrudge anyone for doing the :fap: mechanic.

Similarly, since Theo has made a good move that has the great potential to have a positive impact on the Cubs future (via trade for specs), I think it's ok to get excited about it.
 

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CarWars79 said:
Good move? yes. still doesnt change the above sheep like responses.
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Part of it has to do with the fact that the Cubs are ridding themselves of an inconsistent, overpaid reliever, and part of it has to do with my statement that the money is pretty much going to even out. So if you can upgrade the rotation and the only thing you potentially get rid of is Marmol, it's an excellent trade. Yes, Haren can break, he could suck, yada yada yada, but at the time the trade (theoretically, if it happens) was made, this was well-executed and the powers-that-be deserve congratulations. Chill out :cubstroll2:
 
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CarWars79 said:
Good move? yes. still doesnt change the above sheep like responses.
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Yeah we shouldn't be excited about the possibility of increasing the talent on our team. :rolleyes: But keep tilting at windmills...
 

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dabynsky said:
Yeah we shouldn't be excited about the possibility of increasing the talent on our team. :rolleyes: But keep tilting at windmills...
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Hey, you chill out too :cubstroll:
 
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