Cubs offseason rumors/transactions

[brett05]

Let's clear it up, Machado is not going to the Cubs because the Cubs do not have anything that the Orioles want which is pitching. Russell is a non-factor for the Orioles.
Andy Ommy is right again, Harper and Machado on the dirt cheap end is $600 million and maybe as high as $800-1,000,000,000

Finally, the CUbs are not landing a Billion dollar TV deal. That ship has sailed as they have not been the value the media thought it would be.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Yes, you're missing any young controllable pitcher added to rotation via trade outside of Quintana for Jiminez..

This off season he has that opportunity to add that controlled starter with 2 openings in rotation, and so far he just signed a bottom end SP...

I get it takes two to tangle but we havent heard him dangling anyone...

Wondering if he just dont really want to move his guys or if other teams dont value them that high to move a TOR type controlled SP for




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You can't ignore market forces driving up the prices, particularly in trade. The FA market is overpriced with Boras insisting on crazy numbers for Arrieta with Darvish's representation wisely standing back and watching so far. That means teams looking for controllable pitchers are lighting up the phones looking for trade targets. The Cubs, Twins, Phillies, Brewers, Yankees and Angels are all looking in that direction. Philly in particular has asked on Archer, Duffy, Salazar, Stroman, Cole and Fulmer and could put together an attractive package to get any of them. What I think happens is that the Phillies get one of those guys and then the FA guys sign, unless someone like the Cubs say the hell with it and overpay. My current prediction is that Philly gets Archer or Fulmer, Washington signs Arrieta, Angels get Cobb and the Cubs sign Darvish.

 

[chibears55]

Let's clear it up, Machado is not going to the Cubs because the Cubs do not have anything that the Orioles want which is pitching. Russell is a non-factor for the Orioles.
Andy Ommy is right again, Harper and Machado on the dirt cheap end is $600 million and maybe as high as $800-1,000,000,000

Finally, the CUbs are not landing a Billion dollar TV deal. That ship has sailed as they have not been the value the media thought it would be.

Far as Machado goes for cubs, were pass that now...

You think a team going to pay between 60 and 80 mil per for 10 years on Machado and Harper? Wow
And as a low end

You're nuts..lol


Ship has sailed on cubs for tv deal ?
Who are you?lol

8 teams in last 3 yrs combined for 33.8 Billion dollars RSN deals..
4 billion average.

You really think the cubs wont get at least a billion dollar deal?

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[TC in Mississippi]

Far as Machado goes for cubs, were pass that now...

You think a team going to pay between 60 and 80 mil per for 10 years on Machado and Harper? Wow
And as a low end

You're nuts..lol


Ship has sailed on cubs for tv deal ?
Who are you?lol

8 teams in last 3 yrs combined for 33.8 Billion dollars RSN deals..
4 billion average.

You really think the cubs wont get at least a billion dollar deal?

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I can't speak for Brett but I think he meant the combined total. With the Dodgers clearly in the mix for Harper now I think he's clearly back up into the $400 plus mil range and Machado will be $350 mil plus both on likely ten year deals. The Dodgers could conceivably spend well over $650 mil for Kershaw and Harper next year.

As far as the TV deal, yes it will be lucrative but Brett is right that with cord cutting the billion dollar deal ship has sailed. That said, all these teams getting under the tax threshold for 2018, I think the Cubs,Yankees and Dodgers are each poised to go into a 3-4 period of exceeding the luxury tax by a lot.

 

[beckdawg]

Yes, you're missing any young controllable pitcher added to rotation via trade outside of Quintana for Jiminez..

This off season he has that opportunity to add that controlled starter with 2 openings in rotation, and so far he just signed a bottom end SP...

I get it takes two to tangle but we havent heard him dangling anyone...

Wondering if he just dont really want to move his guys or if other teams dont value them that high to move a TOR type controlled SP for




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Not hearing the cubs dangle anyone is Theo's MO. When the **** did ANYONE hear about him dangling Eloy for Q? Like if you want to have the stance that ultimately it's a results oriented business and he's not found a way to make results happen that's fine. But my point here is it's not like every other team is making moves for controllable starters and he's not. They just aren't often out there.

And i mean look I'm not saying you shouldn't consider moving guys off the MLB roster. How long have I been suggesting they trade Baez? At the end of the day it's not about making moves its about making the right moves. The only move I can see they didn't make was Sale but come on who would have actually saw that one going the cubs way? They supposedly as for Bryant for **** sake.

 

[chibears55]

Not hearing the cubs dangle anyone is Theo's MO. When the **** did ANYONE hear about him dangling Eloy for Q? Like if you want to have the stance that ultimately it's a results oriented business and he's not found a way to make results happen that's fine. But my point here is it's not like every other team is making moves for controllable starters and he's not. They just aren't often out there.

And i mean look I'm not saying you shouldn't consider moving guys off the MLB roster. How long have I been suggesting they trade Baez? At the end of the day it's not about making moves its about making the right moves. The only move I can see they didn't make was Sale but come on who would have actually saw that one going the cubs way? They supposedly as for Bryant for **** sake.

Settle down there sparky..lol

First im not denanding or upset he hasnt traded anyone..

I get he quiet on what he looking to do and i mentioned it takes 2 to tangle

Just pointing out that for the last couple years we've been hearing about him using the young bats to acquire young arms and even from him after the season saying he may need to trade one of their bats to acquire SP..

Im just wondering if it more then just nothing available and that maybe he hesitant on pulling the trigger or if other teams arent seeing Scwarber Baez Russell Happ Almora with High values and are looking for alot more in return with those guys being the center piece..

That all......

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[TC in Mississippi]

Settle down there sparky..lol

First im not denanding or upset he hasnt traded anyone..

I get he quiet on what he looking to do and i mentioned it takes 2 to tangle

Just pointing out that for the last couple years we've been hearing about him using the young bats to acquire young arms and even from him after the season saying he may need to trade one of their bats to acquire SP..

Im just wondering if it more then just nothing available and that maybe he hesitant on pulling the trigger or if other teams arent seeing Scwarber Baez Russell Happ Almora with High values and are looking for alot more in return with those guys being the center piece..

That all......

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I think it's quite simple, the market hasn't set up. I get that it's late but that's what you get in a year when Scott Boras has 11 FA, none of whom have signed. It makes the trade market more active and, in the case of starting pitchers, you have to look at it from the perspective of the trading team. If you're KC, Toronto, Tampa Bay or Detroit you're not moving any of your guys until you move one to Philadelphia or at least see what they do. They are no question in the best position to blow someone away with a package so they're in control for the moment until teams get impatient. For a team like the Cubs which only has primarily MLB assets there will reach a point where they have to make a decision, sign a Darvish or Arrieta, make a high risk high reward trade a-la the Salazar rumors or simply paint around the edges and hope you get some luck in 2018 and make your mark next year.

 

[chibears55]

I think it's quite simple, the market hasn't set up. I get that it's late but that's what you get in a year when Scott Boras has 11 FA, none of whom have signed. It makes the trade market more active and, in the case of starting pitchers, you have to look at it from the perspective of the trading team. If you're KC, Toronto, Tampa Bay or Detroit you're not moving any of your guys until you move one to Philadelphia or at least see what they do. They are no question in the best position to blow someone away with a package so they're in control for the moment until teams get impatient. For a team like the Cubs which only has primarily MLB assets there will reach a point where they have to make a decision, sign a Darvish or Arrieta, make a high risk high reward trade a-la the Salazar rumors or simply paint around the edges and hope you get some luck in 2018 and make your mark next year.

Been thinking about the quietness of FA so far...

Wondering if big spending teams are not just watching the tax threshold but also having their eyes set on next year crops and holding firm

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[beckdawg]

Im just wondering if it more then just nothing available and that maybe he hesitant on pulling the trigger or if other teams arent seeing Scwarber Baez Russell Happ Almora with High values and are looking for alot more in return with those guys being the center piece.

And my point is that you have evidence of nothing being available because the past 2 years no one other than Sale has moved. Frankly the fact they were able to acquire Q was surprising. Trading players is rarely about the team trying to acquire them which in this case is the cubs. It's almost always about the seller. Factors have to dictate they sell and more often than not they don't. I mean Archer is a prime example of this. How many years have the Rays been trading him now?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Been thinking about the quietness of FA so far...

Wondering if big spending teams are not just watching the tax threshold but also having their eyes set on next year crops and holding firm

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I don't think there's any question that next year's market is hurting the market now. We talk about the huge deals that will be out there for the "big four" in Harper, Machado, Kershaw and Kuechel but there will be bargains too because obviously there is only so much money and those four could be in excess of $1.2 billion combined.

 

[brett05]

Far as Machado goes for cubs, were pass that now...

You think a team going to pay between 60 and 80 mil per for 10 years on Machado and Harper? Wow
And as a low end

You're nuts..lol


Ship has sailed on cubs for tv deal ?
Who are you?lol

8 teams in last 3 yrs combined for 33.8 Billion dollars RSN deals..
4 billion average.

You really think the cubs wont get at least a billion dollar deal?

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You are out of tune if you think the combined yearly salaries won't be a minimum of $60 million for the two.
The Cubs will not be landing a Dodger/Yankee deal. Sorry, no money to be made.

 

[beckdawg]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/...s-meeting-with-yu-darvish-likely-destination/

My take on this is it's more a "get this deal done" meeting rather than a "hey let's talk" meeting.

 

[Diehardfan]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/...s-meeting-with-yu-darvish-likely-destination/

My take on this is it's more a "get this deal done" meeting rather than a "hey let's talk" meeting.

I hope you're right. You know my stand on trading resources for pitching. Hopefully, they sign him and he has a good year....if he blows up, you're only out the cash and your core team is still in place.

 

[chibears55]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/...s-meeting-with-yu-darvish-likely-destination/

My take on this is it's more a "get this deal done" meeting rather than a "hey let's talk" meeting.

Agree..

Have to think if both Hoyer and Epstein flew to Dallas to talk to him , they aint leaving til he signs

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[CSF77]

They should come in prepared to match Lester’s deal

 

[TC in Mississippi]

3.5 hour meeting confirmed by Darvish. Twins seem to be the other team in on him. I wonder if he listens and then makes his decision. You would think the Cubs would be a more compelling destination.

 

[brett05]

3.5 hour meeting confirmed by Darvish. Twins seem to be the other team in on him. I wonder if he listens and then makes his decision. You would think the Cubs would be a more compelling destination.

I think it gets down to is he wants the attention of a Chicago or the anonymity of Minneapolis.

 

[beckdawg]

3.5 hour meeting confirmed by Darvish. Twins seem to be the other team in on him. I wonder if he listens and then makes his decision. You would think the Cubs would be a more compelling destination.

Another interesting tidbit that probably has 0 impact was Darvish took the meeting with no interpreter. I suppose if you were so inclined you could argue that is a fair amount of intimacy and you'd only do that if you felt pretty comfortable with the people you were meeting with.

As for the twins... I know they are connected but IDK man. The highest opening day payroll they've ever had was $113,237,000 in 2011. Their projected at $95,250,000 right now. Even if you assume they go up to $115 mil that's only $20 mil or so they can offer him. I suppose Mauer and his $23 mil is falling off next year but it doesn't seem like they have a ton of wiggle room monetarily.

 

[TL1961]

I think it gets down to is he wants the attention of a Chicago or the anonymity of Minneapolis.

He may be more comfortable fitting into the Twin Cities’ noted Japanese community.

 

[TL1961]

Another interesting tidbit that probably has 0 impact was Darvish took the meeting with no interpreter. I suppose if you were so inclined you could argue that is a fair amount of intimacy and you'd only do that if you felt pretty comfortable with the people you were meeting with.

As for the twins... I know they are connected but IDK man. The highest opening day payroll they've ever had was $113,237,000 in 2011. Their projected at $95,250,000 right now. Even if you assume they go up to $115 mil that's only $20 mil or so they can offer him. I suppose Mauer and his $23 mil is falling off next year but it doesn't seem like they have a ton of wiggle room monetarily.

“Don’t worry, Yu. ‘Thousand’ is just another word that means ‘Million’. Sign here. “