Cubs offseason rumors/transactions

[TC in Mississippi]

Well I hope they hammer out a 10 year deal for Bryant. That would make this stall worth it.

He'd be foolish to do that before Harper resets the market, unless you believe the market for top end guys is going to go the way the mid-level market has gone. Personally I don't believe that. Also if Boras did that with Bryant he'd be limiting the dollars for Harper.

 

[CSF77]

He'd be foolish to do that before Harper resets the market, unless you believe the market for top end guys is going to go the way the mid-level market has gone. Personally I don't believe that. Also if Boras did that with Bryant he'd be limiting the dollars for Harper.

Boras did Stras’ extend also. It really is up to Bryant if he wants to be a Cub. Harper honestly is going another direction. I’m not sure that he wants to be a Nat long term and payday is his motivation.

 

[beckdawg]

Re: davish vs arrieta

I'd rather have darvish all things being equal but i don't think there's a huge gap between the two. If you can get Darvish or Arrieta at a lower price I think that makes the difference.

Also re: darvish supposedly earlier in the offseason the yankees offered him a 48 hour deal of 7/$160 which he turned down obviously. I assume that was prior to them signing CC. But the $22-23 mil figure is interesting given that's where I thought he might land. If he gets under $25 AAV I'd be pretty stoked to have him on the cubs. Over that and I am not entirely sure. Think you'd have to consider other options and weigh them against that.

Re: Bryant signing a long term deal, if he wants to truly team up with Harper he should. It's far more difficult for the cubs to bring on Harper not knowing their future control of bryant.

Also

Gordon Wittenmyer
@GDubCub
Justin Wilson agrees to $4.25m deal, avoids arbitration with Cubs.

 

[beckdawg]

Also also

Bob Nightengale
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@BNightengale
The #Cubs sign Kyle Hendricks, invaluable part of rotation, to one year, $4.175 million deal

For reference these were the projections from mlbtraderumors

Justin Wilson (5.035) – $4.3MM
Justin Grimm (4.153) – $2.4MM
Kyle Hendricks (3.081) – $4.9MM
Tommy La Stella (3.057) – $1.0MM
Kris Bryant (2.171) – $8.9MM
Addison Russell (2.167) – $2.3MM

 

[chibears55]

He'd be foolish to do that before Harper resets the market, unless you believe the market for top end guys is going to go the way the mid-level market has gone. Personally I don't believe that. Also if Boras did that with Bryant he'd be limiting the dollars for Harper.

I can this happening next year if Harper signs with cubs then maybe Bryant takes same amount of years

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[TC in Mississippi]

Boras did Stras’ extend also. It really is up to Bryant if he wants to be a Cub. Harper honestly is going another direction. I’m not sure that he wants to be a Nat long term and payday is his motivation.

Strasburg was a different story, he was healthy and the deal was fairly close to market and he wisely jumped at it, despite rumors that said Boras wasn't especially pleased with the decision. Another injury that season and Strasburg wasn't getting that contract in FA. Bryant is a different case from a couple of different angles. The one that benefits the Cubs is that he won't be a FA until his age 30 season and those contracts aren't what they used to be. Still I think he can probably bank on 8/$320 mil at that point if he's healthy and producing. So what would you think a fair offer now would look like? 10/$350? That sound right to me but Boras would advise against it because it would certainly lower Harper's negotiating point. If Boras is thinking 12/$450 for which seems to be conventional wisdom, you would think that a Bryant precedent would lower that number by $50 mil or so. That's a lot of dough.

 

[beckdawg]

Carrie Muskat
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@CarrieMuskat
#Cubs and La Stella avoid arbitration, agree to $950,000 one-year deal

more deal

 

[beckdawg]

So guess previous report on yankee offer was wrong.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

So guess previous report on yankee offer was wrong.

Without shedding some of Pedroia's money the Yankees cannot afford him. I didn't take that report seriously at all.

 

[CSF77]

Strasburg was a different story, he was healthy and the deal was fairly close to market and he wisely jumped at it, despite rumors that said Boras wasn't especially pleased with the decision. Another injury that season and Strasburg wasn't getting that contract in FA. Bryant is a different case from a couple of different angles. The one that benefits the Cubs is that he won't be a FA until his age 30 season and those contracts aren't what they used to be. Still I think he can probably bank on 8/$320 mil at that point if he's healthy and producing. So what would you think a fair offer now would look like? 10/$350? That sound right to me but Boras would advise against it because it would certainly lower Harper's negotiating point. If Boras is thinking 12/$450 for which seems to be conventional wisdom, you would think that a Bryant precedent would lower that number by $50 mil or so. That's a lot of dough.

It depends on the player. If Bryant wants to be a Cub long term then I see him extending like Trout did. If he is driven by payday like Harper is thenI see him letting the market dictate.

Boras at the end of the day is working towards his clients intrests and he has done extensions for them.

I really don’t know which direction KB will go. In reality he can pull 10 years right now seeing his current age vs hitting F/A closer to 30 and getting 6-8 years tops.

Theo IMO would do it. Lock up 4 Arb years and 6 F/A years.

Just by looking at KB I’m leaning that he would take a deal like that to insure his families future vs waiting and risking a lower pay day.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

It depends on the player. If Bryant wants to be a Cub long term then I see him extending like Trout did. If he is driven by payday like Harper is thenI see him letting the market dictate.

Boras at the end of the day is working towards his clients intrests and he has done extensions for them.

I really don’t know which direction KB will go. In reality he can pull 10 years right now seeing his current age vs hitting F/A closer to 30 and getting 6-8 years tops.

Theo IMO would do it. Lock up 4 Arb years and 6 F/A years.

Just by looking at KB I’m leaning that he would take a deal like that to insure his families future vs waiting and risking a lower pay day.

Ultimately Boras does what his clients want him to do but they go to him for a reason and many of him talk about him with an almost religious fervor. He promises to get them top dollar and often does so. J'D. Martinez, on the other hand, probably regrets letting go of his long time agents to go with Boras. If Boston decides to drop out of the bidding he could be forced into signing a pillow deal somewhere. Boras was sure he could get him $200 mil and he couldn't. As far as Bryant wanting to be a Cub I can't see that having a lot of pull. In the end you want the max dollars when you have that kind of talent.

 

[beckdawg]

Mark Gonzales
@MDGonzales
Cubs did not reach a deal with Justin Grimm by the noon deadline.

Not surprising.

 

[DanTown]

Boras did Stras’ extend also. It really is up to Bryant if he wants to be a Cub. Harper honestly is going another direction. I’m not sure that he wants to be a Nat long term and payday is his motivation.

Strasburg signed a no doubter type extension due to the guaranteed money, buying out arbitration years, and the fact he was having arm issues after already having a TJ.

 

[beckdawg]

Rogers at ESPN is saying the cubs could basically have any player they wanted(darvish/arrieta...etc) if they'd go one more year than their current offers.

 

[brett05]

Rogers at ESPN is saying the cubs could basically have any player they wanted(darvish/arrieta...etc) if they'd go one more year than their current offers.

As it would be true for all the other teams. Jesse Rogers isn't saying anything really

 

[beckdawg]

As it would be true for all the other teams. Jesse Rogers isn't saying anything really

I disagree. It's suggesting the AAV is already there. It's just a matter of years. Some have thought the cubs were just low balling players. That's not really the case if he's right. It's just a matter of contract length which there are work arounds for such as vesting options and such.

 

[CSF77]

Ultimately Boras does what his clients want him to do but they go to him for a reason and many of him talk about him with an almost religious fervor. He promises to get them top dollar and often does so. J'D. Martinez, on the other hand, probably regrets letting go of his long time agents to go with Boras. If Boston decides to drop out of the bidding he could be forced into signing a pillow deal somewhere. Boras was sure he could get him $200 mil and he couldn't. As far as Bryant wanting to be a Cub I can't see that having a lot of pull. In the end you want the max dollars when you have that kind of talent.

I would do a 10/15/20/25. Covers arb1-4. Then 30 AAV From his age 30-36. At that point he would be 37 and can go year to year.

If he goes the Arb route he may end up getting less in general over those numbers. Concidering 23 mil is now the all time high on final Arb and that exceeds it. Add to it he would get 30 AAV anyways and would have to fight to get paid 30 mil age 37-38 regardless.

There is a lessen being learned with this off season and it is age at end of deal matters now more than in the past.

It would end up 10/250 and you never know if a major injury would hamper his future earnings. Seeing how he is starting a family you have to look at it from a different perspective.

Honestly the deal is not done yet. I really see them hammering out a extension

 

[brett05]

I disagree. It's suggesting the AAV is already there. It's just a matter of years. Some have thought the cubs were just low balling players. That's not really the case if he's right. It's just a matter of contract length which there are work arounds for such as vesting options and such.

It's stuff to sell papers, get clicks, attract listeners. Jesse Rogers plays that role well. He's a beat guy that isn't a journalist. Sorry we disagree

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I would do a 10/15/20/25. Covers arb1-4. Then 30 AAV From his age 30-36. At that point he would be 37 and can go year to year.

If he goes the Arb route he may end up getting less in general over those numbers. Concidering 23 mil is now the all time high on final Arb and that exceeds it. Add to it he would get 30 AAV anyways and would have to fight to get paid 30 mil age 37-38 regardless.

There is a lessen being learned with this off season and it is age at end of deal matters now more than in the past.

It would end up 10/250 and you never know if a major injury would hamper his future earnings. Seeing how he is starting a family you have to look at it from a different perspective.

Honestly the deal is not done yet. I really see them hammering out a extension

I think Bryant would be insane to take that deal.

 

[beckdawg]

It's stuff to sell papers, get clicks, attract listeners. Jesse Rogers plays that role well. He's a beat guy that isn't a journalist. Sorry we disagree

That's a pretty cynical outlook on him. If you were talking about Levine I could see that argument but Rogers hasn't typically been hyping up shit that wasn't real.