Cubs Sign Jorge Soler!

[Rice Cube]

Couldn't the 2 in a way be 1 in the same to an extent?

It could be, and it depends on how you feel about Gameday's strike zone as it pertains to minor league games (I don't know how well pitchf/x is tracked in minor league parks) but it seems that Jackson usually swings at pitches in the strike zone. Whether he makes contact is a different issue. So I think you do have to separate plate discipline from contact issues to some degree.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

It could be, and it depends on how you feel about Gameday's strike zone as it pertains to minor league games (I don't know how well pitchf/x is tracked in minor league parks) but it seems that Jackson usually swings at pitches in the strike zone. Whether he makes contact is a different issue. So I think you do have to separate plate discipline from contact issues to some degree.

Exactly.

 

[dabynsky]

It could be, and it depends on how you feel about Gameday's strike zone as it pertains to minor league games (I don't know how well pitchf/x is tracked in minor league parks) but it seems that Jackson usually swings at pitches in the strike zone. Whether he makes contact is a different issue. So I think you do have to separate plate discipline from contact issues to some degree.

Exactly, Castro doesn't strike out a lot, but he has zero plate discipline. Not making contact doesn't mean he doesn't have plate discipline. Jackson does strike out looking and swings and misses, but he does exactly what CubbieBear is asking for in seeing a lot of pitches.

 

[CubbyBear2290]

It could be, and it depends on how you feel about Gameday's strike zone as it pertains to minor league games (I don't know how well pitchf/x is tracked in minor league parks) but it seems that Jackson usually swings at pitches in the strike zone. Whether he makes contact is a different issue. So I think you do have to separate plate discipline from contact issues to some degree.

HOOORAY FOR KNOWLEDGEABLE BASEBALL POSTERS LOL!

I'm pretty good at understanding sabermetrics, but I'm not to up to what pitchf/x are really, like I have a minor understanding of what they are and how to read them, just not exceptional at them.

Maybe you could splain to me right quick lol

 

[Jntg4]

Brett Jackson gets into a lot of deep counts. You're more likely to strike out with a two-strike count than on the first pitch. It's just the way it is. Naturally you want him to make better contact with two strikes, but whatcha gonna do.

Well, unless the ump loses count, you can only K on a pitch delivered in a 2-strike count.

 

[bleacherbum54]

Keith Law is saying he hasnt played much in 2 years. He will be brought along really slow unless he tears it up in low minors

he is on espn1000 right now


say 100% Almora will sign and probably be in the bigs at the same time if not faster than Soler


sounds like a good comparison for Soler is a much better defender and running Adam Dunn.

Keith Law's projection is 25-30hrs and 20 stolen bases says breaking ball will be his fault says doubt he has ever seen a good breaking ball.


says Courtney Hawkins was a steal at #13 for the Soxs and doubted he would be there.


says trade market is down says dont expect a lot from Dempster in trade because of the new CBA with compensation.


says 4 guys will likely be in top 50 spects in January

 

[dabynsky]

HOOORAY FOR KNOWLEDGEABLE BASEBALL POSTERS LOL!

I'm pretty good at understanding sabermetrics, but I'm not to up to what pitchf/x are really, like I have a minor understanding of what they are and how to read them, just not exceptional at them.

Maybe you could splain to me right quick lol

Basically it is the thing that shows you on MLB (or this case MiLB) gameday the pitch location on your computer with the strikezone.

 

[Jntg4]

Aww.. you took off all your Wings/Dats stuff..

Must have gotten called out again.

Datsyuk got a restraining order against him... told fisch teacher Joe how to stalk was a bad idea :smh:

 

[dabynsky]

Anyone here a subscriber to Baseball Prospectus (I should be, but MiLB.tv was my baseball splurge this year)? They have an article on Soler that looks pretty in depth that I wouldn't mind getting a cliff notes version.

Baseball Prospectus | Future Shock Blog: Jorge Soler: A Quick Primer

 

[CubbyBear2290]

Exactly, Castro doesn't strike out a lot, but he has zero plate discipline. Not making contact doesn't mean he doesn't have plate discipline. Jackson does strike out looking and swings and misses, but he does exactly what CubbieBear is asking for in seeing a lot of pitches.

It's actually Cubby lol

And I wouldn't say Castro has 0 plate discipline, he's simply put, one of the most gifted pure hitters you'll ever see.

He has an ability to hit and put into play (successfully) an array of pitches no matter where they are seemingly.

He's just a gifted baseball player as you well know. So he doesn't need to be patient, where as someone like a Jackson, who isn't gifted to the extent of castro, he needs to improve his contact rate, while maintaining working deep counts. But then again this is just my take.

 

[Rice Cube]

Well, unless the ump loses count, you can only K on a pitch delivered in a 2-strike count.

I dub thee new Captain Obvious :woot:

Re: Pitchf/x, it's a system of cameras around the field that are trained to follow the flight of the baseball and track its trajectory, speed, break, etc. and thus pinpoint it in the strike zone (or outside if it's a ball). It's useful to both see if the umpire is blind and also to gauge how well batters recognize pitches (that's why there are stats like outside-zone swing percentage and in-zone swing percentage as a measure of plate discipline).

 

[dabynsky]

It's actually Cubby lol

And I wouldn't say Castro has 0 plate discipline, he's simply put, one of the most gifted pure hitters you'll ever see.

He has an ability to hit and put into play (successfully) an array of pitches no matter where they are seemingly.

He's just a gifted baseball player as you well know. So he doesn't need to be patient, where as someone like a Jackson, who isn't gifted to the extent of castro, he needs to improve his contact rate, while maintaining working deep counts. But then again this is just my take.

I gues this is a question of semantics than at this point, but I think Castro has little idea what the strikezone actual is. We both agree that Castro is able to do well int he majors because he has more ability than Randall Simon in terms of putting the bat on the ball. That I guess is the point. That I think Jackson has a much better concept of what is and is not a strike than Castro (which to me is the definition of plate discipline).

*And I thought ie looked funny.

 

[dabynsky]

We are happy that we got a very talented baseball prospect because we need that talent right now. We all know that this doesn't make this team very good right now and or in a couple of years.

 

[Jntg4]

Knew that there had to be a catch

RT @ESPNBruceLevine More on Soler contract: He can become a free agent any--and every--year he is arbitration eligible

 

[DewsSox79]

We are happy that we got a very talented baseball prospect because we need that talent right now. We all know that this doesn't make this team very good right now and or in a couple of years.

well now you can feel a little bit better since you were in depression from this current season. atleast somethings are looking up.

It also shows that theo is committed to this rebuild.....some fans happy, some will be mad.

 

[dabynsky]

Knew that there had to be a catch

RT @ESPNBruceLevine More on Soler contract: He can become a free agent any--and every--year he is arbitration eligible

That takes a ton of luster off that 9 year deal.

 

[dabynsky]

well now you can feel a little bit better since you were in depression from this current season. atleast somethings are looking up.

It also shows that theo is committed to this rebuild.....some fans happy, some will be mad.

Didn't you read my article? I haven't been depressed for three days now!

 

[DewsSox79]

That takes a ton of luster off that 9 year deal.

ughhhh every year arby eligible. wtf

 

[Rice Cube]

That takes a ton of luster off that 9 year deal.

It does, but here's the catch...

If he's good, he'll be worth whatever he can get in arbitration.

If he's bad, the Cubs pay the original amount because there's no way the other teams will pay more in free agency than what the Cubs were slated to pay him anyway.

You root for him to be good to force the Cubs to spend money. Because you're supposed to spend money on good players.

Sorry, I had a derp moment, I didn't see the free agent part. That would definitely be bad then for the pocketbook, but not so bad if they wipe out the old contract with an extension. Basically, if you look at the terms of the deal (whenever that's available), if he makes it to the majors within three years, the rest of the contract is cost control. Then if he becomes a free agent after the pre-arb is done, the Cubs have only paid about 75% of the contract and can then extend him or just offer him a fair one-year deal. Would have to see what the contract says about offering him the qualifying contract to snag a draft pick in return, though.

 

[dabynsky]

ughhhh every year arby eligible. wtf

It doesn't make this a bad deal, imo, but it makes less awesome than initially reported.

To everyone in the Chicagoland area, Kevin Goldstein is going to be on with Lawrence Holmes at some point tonight to talk about Soler. Would be awesome to get a report from someone.