DE Willie Young signs with Bears 3 years 9 million

[modo]

And how many of those hurries were created because Suh and Fairley were dominating inside. This is why I don't like subjective stats like hurries.

Sack stat can be scewed the same way....another DE drives the QB forward which would be a pressure, but the DT gets the sack simply because the QB was forced up into the pocket. I will guarantee you the looked at every play Young had in the NFL and thought the money was worth it.....We were in a bit of cap hell with the Peppers situation. Emery is doing his best to get us out.

 

[ruprecht]

Honestly I think they are writing off the next 2 seasons to rebuild the D through draft and make a SB run when Cutler's contract counts way less against the cap.

That's not called thinking. Ridiculous notion.

 

[WCL]

Honestly I think they are writing off the next 2 seasons to rebuild the D through draft and make a SB run when Cutler's contract counts way less against the cap.

Cool, they're just writing off the next two seasons. Now, it all makes sense. I'll see everyone in 2016!

 

[Jailbreak]

He's an athlete. I think they are really looking at being multiple with their front - more than in the past. Both of these guys can tackle and stand up. I'm not saying they're going 34, but I think you'll see the Bears in a hybrid defense. Tackle remains an issue as far as the line.

 

[L GUAPO]

We are looking at a better version of Wooton for 3mil per.... Nice. I'll take that. Emery said our D was going to get younger, he wasn't kidding. If I can't have Peppers back on the cheap, I will take this signing.

Exactly. Bye bye Woot. Young is better and might have been cheaper. Good sign!

 

[swz01]

Sack stat can be scewed the same way....another DE drives the QB forward which would be a pressure, but the DT gets the sack simply because the QB was forced up into the pocket. I will guarantee you the looked at every play Young had in the NFL and thought the money was worth it.....We were in a bit of cap hell with the Peppers situation. Emery is doing his best to get us out.

Are you seriously implying that this guy made Detroit's line better?

 

[NE.Rugger]

It's a nice pick-up to be sure but I view Houston and Young from a pass rush perspective as complementary pieces to a stud pass rusher. So while I think they improve our run D a ton and are certainly better than Pep an Shea were last year, I think if these guys are you main pass rushers on the outside with Shea and Bass coming in on passing downs, you are still overall a weak pass rusher team. Better than last year but when last year was that terrible, that's not saying much.

So headed in the right direction but this D still needs a legit no questions asked, 10 sack a year guy IMO to really get back on track.

I agree but unless you're looking to grossly overpay for a 1 or 2 year stop gap it was never going to come this offseason. Neither in free agency nor at 14 this draft.
Currently looking at:
DE- Houston, Young, Baas, Washington
DT- Ratliff, Paea, Collins

If we can re-sign Tillman I think that allows us to focus on DT at 14. If Donald's gone there's Jernigan or I think there's enough stability to take a risk on Hageman. If Tillman's gone then we're flexible to take the best of the DT, Dennard, or Gilbert.

 

[Bear_Assed]

I like the contract, but still cannot see the bears getting enough pressure on QB's with the guys we currently have. Young was on one of the best Dlines in the league and only came up with three sacks with other guys getting double teamed on every single snap.

My hope is we sign tillman and draft a DE with our first pick who can get to the qb on 3rd downs.

 

[Thomas31]

Not a fantastic signing, but certainly not a bad sign, and a fairly cheap deal.

Could mean a couple things. Couple mean that they are in fact going DT with the first pick. Could mean that Wotten won't be back. Or the inexpensive deal could mean having money to resign Melton or others. Is he any good? I don't know. If "numbers show who you are", then he is very average. But I will give credit to Emery for automatically seeing needs and address it right away(for better or worse)...


BEARS

 

[swz01]

That's not called thinking. Ridiculous notion.

Why are we not addressing holes with long term solutions then? How many drafts do you think it will take to fill out the D given Emery's current draft success rate? I'd say at least 3

All these guys look like stop gaps or transition players to me.

 

[Raskolnikov]

its a good signing that adds even more depth to what is becoming a burgeoning defensive line.

We are actually quite good today as we sit, but if we add Melton and/or a could rookies in the first 3 rounds it could be a special group.

Gotta fix the secondary though, and have D.J. Williams stay healthy and at least one of Bostic/Shea step up really big.

 

[Colonel_Buendia]

This reminds me of the Slauson signing in the same way that that Houston reminded me of the Bushrod signing. Phil is very cognizant of getting guys that are the right fit and for good value. Now if only he can get another rookie pro bowler!!

 

[Desperado34]

Willie Young is not young, he is two months younger than "veteran" Michael Bennett. He will be 29 at the start of next season.

I like the contract, but still cannot see the bears getting enough pressure on QB's with the guys we currently have. Young was on one of the best Dlines in the league and only came up with three sacks with other guys getting double teamed on every single snap.

My hope is we sign tillman and draft a DE with our first pick who can get to the qb on 3rd downs.

the science of football says differently lol

 

[remydat]

I think the important thing to remember is that we didn't pay Young 10 sack per year money, we paid him rotational money. Good value for a guy who can get after a QB, if not always getting a sack.

Which is why I said it's a nice pick up.

Seattle didn't have a 10-sack a year guy last season!

(Before anyone goes bananas, I'm not saying that the 2014 Bears will be the 2013 Seahawks. I'm saying that you can provide a decent pass rush without a 10-sack-a-year guy.)

Of course you can, if you have bunch of guys with 8-10 sack potential. Seattle had Clemmons (3 years over 10 sacks), Avril (4 years of at least 8 sacks), Bennett (2 years of at least 8 sacks) and Irvin (8 sacks as a rookie). They had enough guys that they had the luxury of moving Irvin to LB.

If the Bears had a bunch of guys like that then I would not have said what I said. Instead, I noted they have Houston, Young, Shea and Bass. There is no comparison. If you are going to roll with guys like that then yes I think you need a guy who is a legit 10 sack a year guy. It doesn't mean he will actually get 10 sacks because he may not play enough snaps to do so in a rotation but it means he is a guy that teams fear from a pass rush perspective.

No one on our roster would really scare teams as it stands now. Again, we are heading in the right direction and I have no probablem with the signings given how things unfolded but just because Emery has made due with the cards he was dealt doesn't mean the pass rush isn't still an issue. I think it still is and so we still need to add a legit pass rushing threat IMO.

 

[Bear Pride]

Exactly. I know people think stats are an overrated stat, but when you have a D-line like the Lions do, he should definitely be getting more sacks than 3. Just saying.

Yet, the Lions had the 2nd lowest sack total in the NFL. :shrug:

 

[Raskolnikov]

Why are we not addressing holes with long term solutions then? How many drafts do you think it will take to fill out the D given Emery's current draft success rate? I'd say at least 3

pessimism is too high.

The eye of Sauron (emery) is fixated on safety and defensive line, therefore you can expect multiple "fixes" just like last year at linebacker and o-line. That means free agency splash, free agency mop up, early pick, and late pick.

The guy solves problems in one off-season not 3.

But it looks like more seams could burst at corner, linebacker again, and OT or back-up QB if injury strikes.

What I haven't seen yet is the foresight to see a bursting seem and fix it ahead of time. DT was a major need last year.

 

[swz01]

Yet, the Lions had the 2nd lowest sack total in the NFL. :shrug:

Cause all the attention goes to Suh and Fairley and their ends can't win one on one matchups

 

[WCL]

Which is why I said it's a nice pick up.

Of course you can, if you have bunch of guys with 8-10 sack potential. Seattle had Clemmons (3 years over 10 sacks), Avril (4 years of at least 8 sacks), Bennett (2 years of at least 8 sacks) and Irvin (8 sacks as a rookie). They had enough guys that they had the luxury of moving Irvin to LB.

If the Bears had a bunch of guys like that then I would not have said what I said. Instead, I noted they have Houston, Young, Shea and Bass. There is no comparison. If you are going to roll with guys like that then yes I think you need a guy who is a legit 10 sack a year guy. It doesn't mean he will actually get 10 sacks because he may not play enough snaps to do so in a rotation but it means he is a guy that teams fear from a pass rush perspective.

No one on our roster would really scare teams as it stands now. Again, we are heading in the right direction and I have no probablem with the signings given how things unfolded but just because Emery has made due with the cards he was dealt doesn't mean the pass rush isn't still an issue. I think it still is and so we still need to add a legit pass rushing threat IMO.

Getting pressure from the 3-tech will help more than anything. They either need Melton to come back and be in 2012 form or draft a guy that can apply that kind of pressure.

 

[remydat]

I agree but unless you're looking to grossly overpay for a 1 or 2 year stop gap it was never going to come this offseason. Neither in free agency nor at 14 this draft.
Currently looking at:
DE- Houston, Young, Baas, Washington
DT- Ratliff, Paea, Collins

If we can re-sign Tillman I think that allows us to focus on DT at 14. If Donald's gone there's Jernigan or I think there's enough stability to take a risk on Hageman. If Tillman's gone then we're flexible to take the best of the DT, Dennard, or Gilbert.

It would have come this offseason if we had signed Bennett in my opinion. He was the best pass rushing DE available to us. Again, I am not knocking Emery because he tried and Bennett decided to stay with Seattle.

I am just saying, we need more pass rush period. It is obviously possible that Shea, Bass, or Washington turn into Mark Anderson (during his rookie year) on passing downs but right now I think pass rushing DE or DT is still a major need. I don't really care where the pressure comes from. We just need more of it whether it being via FA or the draft or whether it be DE or DT.

 

[Bear_Assed]

there are guys going gaga over this signing, i just dont get it. i hope youre right, but cant see how this is any better than what we had. McClellin had more sacks than this guy... we still need a proven pass rusher who can take on double teams and still get to the qb