DE Willie Young signs with Bears 3 years 9 million

[swz01]

Getting pressure from the 3-tech will help more than anything. They either need Melton to come back and be in 2012 form or draft a guy that can apply that kind of pressure.

Forget Melton, Donald!

 

[modo]

Are you seriously implying that this guy made Detroit's line better?

I did not say that at all.....I was just pointing out the sack stat can be scewed as well.

 

[remydat]

Getting pressure from the 3-tech will help more than anything. They either need Melton to come back and be in 2012 form or draft a guy that can apply that kind of pressure.

I don't disagree with that either. Again, I don't really care where the pass rush comes from as long as it comes. However, I still would like another pass rushing DE as I am not keen on the idea of relying on some combination of Bass/Washington/McClellin as our 3rd DE. Our 3rd DE will play a lot.

 

[ImLittleJon]

If the Bears had a bunch of guys like [Seattle's] then I would not have said what I said. Instead, I noted they have Houston, Young, Shea and Bass. There is no comparison. If you are going to roll with guys like that then yes I think you need a guy who is a legit 10 sack a year guy. It doesn't mean he will actually get 10 sacks because he may not play enough snaps to do so in a rotation but it means he is a guy that teams fear from a pass rush perspective.

No one on our roster would really scare teams as it stands now. Again, we are heading in the right direction and I have no probablem with the signings given how things unfolded but just because Emery has made due with the cards he was dealt doesn't mean the pass rush isn't still an issue. I think it still is and so we still need to add a legit pass rushing threat IMO.

One thing to note is that both Houston and Young have reputations as strong run defenders. If our D can stop one facet, that's one more than they could stop last year. I would certainly like to have a pass rush as well, but I'm pretty content with the DEs at this point.

 

[fatbeard]

Why are we not addressing holes with long term solutions then?

And how many long term solutions were available via FA this year? Quit being dense.

All these guys look like stop gaps or transition players to me.

Perhaps because that's all that hit the market this year. Greg Hardy got tagged. Orakpo (who is good, not great) got tagged. Michael Bennett? Good but not great, and not a long-term solution at 29. Michael Johnson? A bit younger but still good not great. Ware? Over the hill. Allen? Over the hill. Jarius Byrd? Overpaid. T.J. Ward? Wanted to play on a guaranteed win-now team. Mitchell? The Steelers stupidly overpaid. Revis? A cover corner coming off an ACL for 10mil? No thanks.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and that's what the FA market was this year. How is that Emery's fault?

 

[nvanprooyen]

I don't disagree with that either. Again, I don't really care where the pass rush comes from as long as it comes. However, I still would like another pass rushing DE as I am not keen on the idea of relying on some combination of Bass/Washington/McClellin as our 3rd DE. Our 3rd DE will play a lot.

No matter how good the ends are....if there is somewhere to step up into because there is no push up the middle, it makes it way harder to generate consistent pressure. We need a stud DT. If we don't sign Melton, I gotta think DT is our #1 pick.

 

[-Cago34-]

I'm on board with this signing. Emery didn't have dozens of millions to play with so what the fuck did you guys expect?

Anyways - does anyone have any stats on how Young did versus the run?

 

[Rise]

pessimism is too high.

The eye of Sauron (emery) is fixated on safety and defensive line, therefore you can expect multiple "fixes" just like last year at linebacker and o-line. That means free agency splash, free agency mop up, early pick, and late pick.

The guy solves problems in one off-season not 3.

But it looks like more seams could burst at corner, linebacker again, and OT or back-up QB if injury strikes.

What I haven't seen yet is the foresight to see a bursting seem and fix it ahead of time. DT was a major need last year.

I don't think it is fair to have expected emery to anticipate the DT issues of last year. Who thought Melton and Collins would go down to acls in back to back weeks? That would cripple any team. Even with that he made a good mid year signing with Ratliff.


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[swz01]

And how many long term solutions were available via FA this year? Quit being dense.



Perhaps because that's all that hit the market this year. Greg Hardy got tagged. Orakpo (who is good, not great) got tagged. Michael Bennett? Good but not great, and not a long-term solution at 29. Michael Johnson? A bit younger but still good not great. Ware? Over the hill. Allen? Over the hill. Jarius Byrd? Overpaid. T.J. Ward? Wanted to play on a guaranteed win-now team. Mitchell? The Steelers stupidly overpaid. Revis? A cover corner coming off an ACL for 10mil? No thanks.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and that's what the FA market was this year. How is that Emery's fault?

It's clear you are dead set on defending Emery instead of evaluating the quality of his moves. The reason he couldn't land more than one impact defenders is because he handcuffed the team with the Cutler contract. Whether or not it was the right move, we will soon find out.

I will argue that Trestman's system is good enough that we could have signed McCown and gotten a QB in the draft that would fit his system that would be more than competent by the time we finished the rebuild on defense at a much cheaper cost! Instead we will end up with a franchise QB who could be close to the downside of his career by the end of the rebuild

 

[Jailbreak]

Very hard to do in a year, especially with the dead money. The draft is more important this year than in recent memory.

 

[Slacker]

Wait, I thought free agency was already over?

 

[Bear Pride]

O man. 3 sack king and Lamar with 6 .. That is one force for DE. I'm ready for the Emery-ites to come at anyone criticizing his moves. Like Emery a lot n he better hope this pans out on D. On the upswing or not, he hasn't done much.

This guy does exactly what Allen would do for the Bears.

 

[Bear Pride]

Seattle didn't have a 10-sack a year guy last season!

(Before anyone goes bananas, I'm not saying that the 2014 Bears will be the 2013 Seahawks. I'm saying that you can provide a decent pass rush without a 10-sack-a-year guy.)

It's funny you use them as an example, cuz Emery looked to Seattle's defense as building block for the Bears new defense. He said as much himself. Emery is creating pass rush as a unit. What we've done in the past is take a mediocre DL and add 1 or 2 pass rushers and expect it to fix all. Adding a 20 sack guy to a mediocre DL won't fix it.

BUT, putting together 4 to 5 guys, as a unit, can fix the pass rush. It's not a coincidence that both DE's we signed excelled at pressures. Now, add 4 guys like this and you've got yourself a pass rush ..... just like Seattle did it last year.

 

[94SupraTT]

@PFF: Willie Young has sacked the QB just 8 times in his career, but his 60 total pressures last year was just 4 fewer than CAR's Charles Johnson

If Suh collapses the pocket and the qb is flushed to Young who gets credit for the hurry?


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[Desperado34]

This guy does exactly what Allen would do for the Bears.

bahahahaha

 

[fatbeard]

It's clear you are dead set on defending Emery instead of evaluating the quality of his moves. The reason he couldn't land more than one impact defenders is because he handcuffed the team with the Cutler contract. Whether or not it was the right move, we will soon find out.

The Cutler contract, just like every contract the Bears sign, is fluid. They all contain a clause whereby the Bears can convert any portion of the player's salary into a signing bonus spread over the remainder of the contract in order to free up cap room in the present year. They can do this at any time for any reason without the player's approval. It's a pay as they go system if they want to free up more room for more signings. Cutler's contract, by its very nature, can only handcuff the team to the extent that they want it to.

So again, quit being dense.

 

[Bear Pride]

Why are we not addressing holes with long term solutions then? How many drafts do you think it will take to fill out the D given Emery's current draft success rate? I'd say at least 3

All these guys look like stop gaps or transition players to me.

You mean until the next couple years when the Bears have much more cap money? :shrug: ... :smh:

 

[Bear Pride]

Cause all the attention goes to Suh and Fairley and their ends can't win one on one matchups

Or their DB's suck and opposing QB's get rid of the ball before the pressure gets there.

 

[Gemini13]

It's clear you are dead set on defending Emery instead of evaluating the quality of his moves. The reason he couldn't land more than one impact defenders is because he handcuffed the team with the Cutler contract. Whether or not it was the right move, we will soon find out.

I will argue that Trestman's system is good enough that we could have signed McCown and gotten a QB in the draft that would fit his system that would be more than competent by the time we finished the rebuild on defense at a much cheaper cost! Instead we will end up with a franchise QB who could be close to the downside of his career by the end of the rebuild

You didn't answer is question though my friend. I'm curious as to what your answer is?

 

[The Hawk]

This reminds me of the Slauson signing in the same way that that Houston reminded me of the Bushrod signing. Phil is very cognizant of getting guys that are the right fit and for good value. Now if only he can get another rookie pro bowler!!

That is how I view it also. Good stuff