Demp not going anywhere

[dabynsky]

I think Fielder is a big part of the equation. I would like more pitching because this year the lack of depth was really exposed. Perhaps McNutt and maybe Jay Jackson might be the answer, but I would like the Cubs to get another arm. I doubt that they really could find one that would be an improvement over their original starting five though. So I would be willing to live with finding a decent swing guy in the pen. The bullpen I actually like pretty much as is. Another bat that is above average for his position is the move that needs to be made to get this team competitive for a playoff spot.

 

[Captain Obvious]

:lmao:

Joe Buck, Tim McCarver and Ken Rosenthal all agreed on two things 1) The Cubs are not one piece away from contending for the World Series. 2) The Cubs need to rebuild through their farm system.

Fielder is a great piece to begin with, but he does not make the Cubs a playoff contender on his own. The Cubs are going to need 3 OF and a 3B.

The Cubs may even want to consider trading Soto for pieces.

Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. Those are some respectable names.

3 OFers? LMFAO. You're kidding me. Just who do you want to be our 3B? Ramirez is a better option than just about anything out there, except for maybe Kelly Johnson, however, he would be more valuable at 2B, than at 3rd.

Other posters on here are insistent on signing Fielder and him bringing the Cubs to the promised land.

Where have I ever said that Fielder alone will get the Cubs a World Series? Good Lord, is reading that difficult?

 

[Rice Cube]

I'm not sure I would put a lot of weight on what Joe Buck and Tim McCarver say :lol:

 

[nwfisch]

Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. Those are some respectable names.

3 OFers? LMFAO. You're kidding me. Just who do you want to be our 3B? Ramirez is a better option than just about anything out there, except for maybe Kelly Johnson, however, he would be more valuable at 2B, than at 3rd.



Where have I ever said that Fielder alone will get the Cubs a World Series? Good Lord, is reading that difficult?

missed my point again. If those 2 say the Cubs need to rebuild, they need to rebuild. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

I don't consider Soriano Byrd and Fukudome the OF of the future, hence why the Cubs need 3 OF, I don't know who they are. Jackson and ?? and ??

I don't know who to replace 3B with for the future, but the 3B of the future is not Aramis Ramirez.

 

[Rice Cube]

Oh, I misread that. I don't read every post hehe. I guess if even stupidfolk like Buck and McCarver recognize the need to rebuild the Cubs, it's a no-brainer by default

 

[Captain Obvious]

missed my point again. If those 2 say the Cubs need to rebuild, they need to rebuild. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

I don't consider Soriano Byrd and Fukudome the OF of the future, hence why the Cubs need 3 OF, I don't know who they are. Jackson and ?? and ??

I don't know who to replace 3B with for the future, but the 3B of the future is not Aramis Ramirez.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO. Because two dumbass analysts say the Cubs need to rebuild we need to? ROTFL!

You're right, they aren't the OF of the future, but why would we go out and spend more money on OFers when they are still productive?

Just because players aren't players of the future, doesn't mean that we have to get rid of them in order to contend.

 

[nwfisch]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO. Because two dumbass analysts say the Cubs need to rebuild we need to? ROTFL!

You're right, they aren't the OF of the future, but why would we go out and spend more money on OFers when they are still productive?

Just because players aren't players of the future, doesn't mean that we have to get rid of them in order to contend.

If those dumbasses can say the Cubs need to rebuild through the farm, everyone else should be able to see it too.

When did I say the Cubs should spend money on an OF?

I think the exact opposite. The Cubs OF of the future should come from the farm. Hopefully Jackson lives up to all the hype and then the Cubs 2 spots left. One could go to Colvin for a year to see if he can be a quality starter. Maybe Campana could be the leadoff man, if he could get on base via walk. We know he can run.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Oh, I misread that. I don't read every post hehe. I guess if even stupidfolk like Buck and McCarver recognize the need to rebuild the Cubs, it's a no-brainer by default

Exactly

 

[Captain Obvious]

If those dumbasses can say the Cubs need to rebuild through the farm, everyone else should be able to see it too.

When did I say the Cubs should spend money on an OF?

I think the exact opposite. The Cubs OF of the future should come from the farm. Hopefully Jackson lives up to all the hype and then the Cubs 2 spots left. One could go to Colvin for a year to see if he can be a quality starter. Maybe Campana could be the leadoff man, if he could get on base via walk. We know he can run.

Except the Cubs don't need to rebuild. When we are a Prince Fielder and Kelly Johnson away from having a shot at the playoffs, you don't need to rebuild.

Okay well if you think that the OFers should come from the farm, we're screwed. Campana, Colvin, Jackson is going to be a pretty bad OF.

 

[Jntg4]

Except the Cubs don't need to rebuild. When we are a Prince Fielder and Kelly Johnson away from having a shot at the playoffs, you don't need to rebuild.

Okay well if you think that the OFers should come from the farm, we're screwed. Campana, Colvin, Jackson is going to be a pretty bad OF.

He didn't say Campana and Colvin. But Jackson is not bad AT ALL.

 

[Captain Obvious]

If those dumbasses can say the Cubs need to rebuild through the farm, everyone else should be able to see it too.

When did I say the Cubs should spend money on an OF?

I think the exact opposite. The Cubs OF of the future should come from the farm. Hopefully Jackson lives up to all the hype and then the Cubs 2 spots left. One could go to Colvin for a year to see if he can be a quality starter. Maybe Campana could be the leadoff man, if he could get on base via walk. We know he can run.

He didn't say Campana and Colvin. But Jackson is not bad AT ALL.

Jackson has yet to play a game in the MLB. That remains to be seen.

He didn't say Colvin and Campana? Really? I mean.... really?

 

[nwfisch]

Except the Cubs don't need to rebuild. When we are a Prince Fielder and Kelly Johnson away from having a shot at the playoffs, you don't need to rebuild.

Okay well if you think that the OFers should come from the farm, we're screwed. Campana, Colvin, Jackson is going to be a pretty bad OF.

So the Cubs making the playoffs is enough for most fans? That's what I'm getting from this.

I think they should because there are promising players like Jackson, Campana, Colvin, LeMaiheu, and others that can get the job done. If they wanted to, the Cubs could sign a veteran at Reed Johnson money and have him be a 4th OF.

 

[Sunbiz1]

There are a couple issues...

1) His age and the likelihood of getting a better contract. My guess is that he won't, which means that whoever they trade him to (if at all) must pick up that option because I doubt he would waive that AND his NTC.

2) The fact that he's invested in the community. His daughter has a genetic disorder and Chicago area hospitals provide the care he needs for her. He's earned the NTC and would probably just stick around anyway. And he'd still pick up the option as stated in point #1.

So they might try to trade him next season and hope he has better overall statistics, but Dempster's issue isn't that he sucks...he's just had some mechanical issues and bad luck, as have all Cubs' starters this year. You should just assume he sticks around and picks up his option until you hear otherwise from an official source about an official trade that actually happened

Do you think the mechanical issues are related to the new PC?.

 

[Captain Obvious]

So the Cubs making the playoffs is enough for most fans? That's what I'm getting from this.

I think they should because there are promising players like Jackson, Campana, Colvin, LeMaiheu, and others that can get the job done. If they wanted to, the Cubs could sign a veteran at Reed Johnson money and have him be a 4th OF.

That's all we can hope for is to make the playoffs. The playoffs are a crapshoot. Please don't make me go through this with you again.

Promises aren't results. When Jackson, Campana, Colvin, LeMahieu, or any of these others, show that they can be a productive member of this team, that's one thing. But none of those 4 have.

 

[nwfisch]

That's all we can hope for is to make the playoffs. The playoffs are a crapshoot. Please don't make me go through this with you again.

Promises aren't results. When Jackson, Campana, Colvin, LeMahieu, or any of these others, show that they can be a productive member of this team, that's one thing. But none of those 4 have.

again. I can't believe some Cub fans who are just happy with making the playoffs, that's the first goal, but the ultimate goal has to be the World Series.

The reason they haven't gotten playing time is because Soriano Byrd, Johnson and Fukudome have taken their meaningful playing time.

 

[Rice Cube]

The point is that in order to win the World Series, you must first get to the playoffs. In a short series, anything can happen. There was literally no way on paper that the Giants should have beaten the Phillies or the Rangers last season, but they did. Does that mean the Phillies or Rangers sucked? No...they just ran into a hot team at the wrong time. Baseball is more susceptible to luck than any other sport.

 

[Captain Obvious]

again. I can't believe some Cub fans who are just happy with making the playoffs, that's the first goal, but the ultimate goal has to be the World Series.

The reason they haven't gotten playing time is because Soriano Byrd, Johnson and Fukudome have taken their meaningful playing time.

Yes, the goal is to win the World Series. But what you are not grasping is that it's ridiculous to expect your team to win it, when the playoffs are such a crap shoot.

They shouldn't be getting playing time when Soriano, Byrd, Johnson and Fukudome are all being productive. This is a very easy concept.

The point is that in order to win the World Series, you must first get to the playoffs. In a short series, anything can happen. There was literally no way on paper that the Giants should have beaten the Phillies or the Rangers last season, but they did. Does that mean the Phillies or Rangers sucked? No...they just ran into a hot team at the wrong time. Baseball is more susceptible to luck than any other sport.

:support:

 

[nwfisch]

Yes, the goal is to win the World Series. But what you are not grasping is that it's ridiculous to expect your team to win it, when the playoffs are such a crap shoot.

They shouldn't be getting playing time when Soriano, Byrd, Johnson and Fukudome are all being productive. This is a very easy concept.

What's ridiculous is to hear people on here being satisfied with just making the playoffs with the next group of guys. Hopefully the Cubs win the world series, but they have to make the playoffs first, I understand that.

 

[dabynsky]

What's ridiculous is to hear people on here being satisfied with just making the playoffs with the next group of guys. Hopefully the Cubs win the world series, but they have to make the playoffs first, I understand that.

What part of this are you not getting. None of us are content just making the playoffs, but what we are saying is that there is no way to guarantee success in the playoffs. Having the best team possible makes it more likely that you will succeed, but as countless examples show in the wildcard era the best team doesn't always win the World Series. What I want is to put together a team that takes advantage of its young talent, and fills in around what the system is lacking. This offseason presents perhaps the most golden opportunity to just that by going out and signing a guy in his late 20s that takes a position of need and fills it with elite level production. Does that or any combination of moves guarantee us a World Series? Of course not, but that is the best approach that can be realistically taken by the Cubs at this point in time.

 

[nwfisch]

What part of this are you not getting. None of us are content just making the playoffs, but what we are saying is that there is no way to guarantee success in the playoffs. Having the best team possible makes it more likely that you will succeed, but as countless examples show in the wildcard era the best team doesn't always win the World Series. What I want is to put together a team that takes advantage of its young talent, and fills in around what the system is lacking. This offseason presents perhaps the most golden opportunity to just that by going out and signing a guy in his late 20s that takes a position of need and fills it with elite level production. Does that or any combination of moves guarantee us a World Series? Of course not, but that is the best approach that can be realistically taken by the Cubs at this point in time.

When have I said anything about guaranteed success? All I want is the Cubs to win the World Series. Is that too much to ask as a fan, but I'm missing a point somewhere?

You must not read posts either.