Derrick Rose: Youngest MVP Ever!

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What I'm saying is that you argue on countless bases (namely to ones that best fit whatever you are trying to say) and that it is always a very simple-minded approach.

You will never once acknowledge the possibility that you could (DARE I say it...) be wrong or mistaken.

Therefore it is not worth the time to respond to you. Try admitting somebody else is right about something, or has a point about something, for a change... that is, if you aren't ever going to admit that you might be off-base or wrong-headed about something.

Dont ever question his factual opinions!
 
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Come on Rami. Do you have to fight everyone on this forum?

Why do you have to be such a protagonist? This forum is like a huge dysfunctional family where one guy is always walking around with a chip on his shoulder.

Must you violently disagree with everything people say on here? Will you ever agree with anything anyone says, ever?

The sun is bright. Are you going to disagree with that?

The Bulls are a better team when Derrick Rose is playing than when he isn't. Surely you agree with that, right?

No offense intended in any way. I hope you can see my pure intentions in posting this. It's just alarming how combative you are with people on here.

On the bullspodcasters.com, I was experiencing a lot of that myself until one day I just took a deep breath and looked for the good in what the other fella was sayin' and what I found was that they were actually in harmony with what I had said.

Attitude is everything. It's all in ones own attitude.

If you just take a deep breath, think about what the poster said, assume their best intentions in writing, you might just see you have more in common with them than you realize.

And for Pete's sake, guys - shut your computers down, leave your parents den and breath some sunshine in.

There are women out there.

Peace.

What I'm saying is that you argue on countless bases (namely to ones that best fit whatever you are trying to say) and that it is always a very simple-minded approach.

You will never once acknowledge the possibility that you could (DARE I say it...) be wrong or mistaken.

Therefore it is not worth the time to respond to you. Try admitting somebody else is right about something, or has a point about something, for a change... that is, if you aren't ever going to admit that you might be off-base or wrong-headed about something.
 

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Hold up, Frank... you call me out for being combative yet defend Houf (who never could in admit he is wrong or that anyone else has a solid point)?

What's up with that dawg?
 

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Youre right, im getting my years mixed up. It was the year before Wade took a garbage team to 7 against the Hawks. Regardless, hes taken very bad teams to the playoffs.

The Cavs of this year and last are clearly not the same and its not only LeBron. They dont have Z, Shaq, West, Powe. Mo and Moon traded. Andy, Hickson, Parker, Gibson have all dealt with injuries. And yeah if you take the best player in the league off of a team with mediocre talent, they will fall off hard. But how would that 09-10 Heat squad look without Wade for a whole season?

Whats facts disprove my argument? I clearly stated that i dont care because i really cant comment because im not as old as you to have such an in depth argument on how the 80s/90s went down. Fact is that the players of that era arent the players of this one. You cant compare them because we're dealing with a different league with all different players. You make it seem like Jordan/Pippen is the same thing as Lebron/Wade. Im sorry but its not that simple. and didnt Rami already state that Jordan didnt it every year but he clearly was the best player in the NBA(the GOAT really)? So how about those facts?

Stop being a hypocrite, talking about your opinions when in your Lebron thread you said face the F A C T S!

You guys kill me with that Lebron Cavs argument. They won more games the year before without Shaq and Powe and half the guys you listed. They went to the finals without Mo Williams in 2007. That was one dude...the only other player that comes close to doing what Lebron did is Iverson when he took the 76ers to the finals.

Your third paragraph is pretty damn irrelevant. Who cares about the "different league" stuff, because players are more athletic and there are rule changes the criteria for MVP voting changed? That doesn't make sense at all.

No Jordan didn't win it every year, was that because another player was more valuable to the league? Or was it because of politics?

And again, AT THAT TIME (for crissakes why do I have to continue to say this...) Lebron being the most deserving of the award was fact based on offensive production, and him playing the best basketball in the league. Obviously giving him the award in February is based on opinion...why is that even an argument?
 

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I was even IN Los Angeles sitting down watching this game with Lakers' fans... at the time of this game.

Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Los Angeles Lakers - Box Score - January 11, 2011 - ESPN

Look at all of the horrendous scrubs who got huge playing time for the Cavs in this game. They were making BEYOND 1st grade level mistakes...................... They looked like they never saw a basketball before in their lives.

Anthony Parker playing in that game doesn't make a difference!!! Neither does Big Z and Shaq...they would still get their asses kicked royally by the Lakers...
 

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"Obviously giving him the award in February is based on opinion...why is that even an argument?" Its an argument because you told us all to face the facts and acted like a pompous dick.

Again, i really cant comment too much on what happened back then. If i was more familiar with the NBA as a whole in that era, i would let you know. I say its a different league because the circumstances are different. You cant compare Lebron to Jordan, wade to pippen or 2011 to the 90s. All players have changed. Todays players might be more athletic but the game itself is softer.

"No Jordan didn't win it every year, was that because another player was more valuable to the league? Or was it because of politics?" IDK, you tell me. But does MVP go to the most valuable or the best player? That seems to be our argument.

Im just gonna say im sorry because i obviously dont understand the meaning of Most Valuable Player. I thought it actually meant most valuable player not best player in the league who is the most athletic and brought a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs in the past and im right, your wrong.

This is tiresome,

Rose MVP
LeBron runner-up
/thread
//Face the facts because this seems to be the consensus of NBA experts opinions.
 

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Anthony Parker playing in that game doesn't make a difference!!! Neither does Big Z and Shaq...they would still get their asses kicked royally by the Lakers...

Parker or Varejao would not have been the difference between a win and a loss in that game in all likelihood. But even parker started 151 games and averaged 30+ minutes in the 2 seasons that CLE led the NBA in wins. Are you telling me that CLE would have lost to LAL if those 2 guys were playing big minutes in the place of those 4 or 5 terrible pro-level players? If so... HA
 

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What I'm saying is that you argue on countless bases (namely to ones that best fit whatever you are trying to say) and that it is always a very simple-minded approach.

You will never once acknowledge the possibility that you could (DARE I say it...) be wrong or mistaken.

Therefore it is not worth the time to respond to you. Try admitting somebody else is right about something, or has a point about something, for a change... that is, if you aren't ever going to admit that you might be off-base or wrong-headed about something.

Its a damn debate!!! Of course I argue to what proves my points. I have agreed with people often on these forums, I don't agree with you not out of spite, but because the stuff you say is inaccurate a lot of the times. Don't respond to anything I say....why would I give a damn? This incessant whining is pathetic. When people were calling you and idiot, one of the nicer things they said, I actually asked them privately not to do that. I have never been disrespectful like that. I have told you your arguments are god awful dumb at times...and they really have been...that has nothing to do with me being right, that has everything to do with your argument being really, really stupid.

You are the one who tries to pass off the most benign shit as if it has soooooo much significance. Not every subject calls for one of your top ten lists....many are way off but I don't comment on them. So it really doesn't matter if you respond or not. My opinions stand as they are regardless...
 

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Parker or Varejao would not have been the difference between a win and a loss in that game in all likelihood. But even parker started 151 games and averaged 30+ minutes in the 2 seasons that CLE led the NBA in wins. Are you telling me that CLE would have lost to LAL if those 2 guys were playing big minutes in the place of those 4 or 5 terrible pro-level players? If so... HA

See....THIS is a dumb ass argument. You think Parker and Varejao erases a 55 point loss to the Lakers...in LA...and win??? Give me a damn break...when did Parker and Varejao become Joe Dumars and Dennis Rodman?
 

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Its a damn debate!!! Of course I argue to what proves my points. I have agreed with people often on these forums, I don't agree with you not out of spite, but because the stuff you say is inaccurate a lot of the times. Don't respond to anything I say....why would I give a damn? This incessant whining is pathetic. When people were calling you and idiot, one of the nicer things they said, I actually asked them privately not to do that. I have never been disrespectful like that. I have told you your arguments are god awful dumb at times...and they really have been...that has nothing to do with me being right, that has everything to do with your argument being really, really stupid.

You are the one who tries to pass off the most benign shit as if it has soooooo much significance. Not every subject calls for one of your top ten lists....many are way off but I don't comment on them. So it really doesn't matter if you respond or not. My opinions stand as they are regardless...

It's tiresome having a debate with you because you tend to not stick with what is being discussed in the previous quote... Even right now, in your rebuttal to what I said critizing you... you fill it with back-handed compliments and not really addressing the main matter of my previous points. You aren't disrespectful to me from what I can tell at all... that was never the issue. I'm just frustrated because I try so hard to get to common ground with you and it ALWAYS ends up going in a further argument...
 

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See....THIS is a dumb ass argument. You think Parker and Varejao erases a 55 point loss to the Lakers...in LA...and win??? Give me a damn break...when did Parker and Varejao become Joe Dumars and Dennis Rodman?

to edit my last post:

*you aren't disrespectful aside the occassional "dumb ass" accusations.

I said that if Varejao and Parker played instead of those horrrrrrrrrrible players, the Lakers still likely would have won, BUT it would not have been by 55.... SHEESH buddy
 

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"Obviously giving him the award in February is based on opinion...why is that even an argument?" Its an argument because you told us all to face the facts and acted like a pompous dick.

Again, i really cant comment too much on what happened back then. If i was more familiar with the NBA as a whole in that era, i would let you know. I say its a different league because the circumstances are different. You cant compare Lebron to Jordan, wade to pippen or 2011 to the 90s. All players have changed. Todays players might be more athletic but the game itself is softer.

"No Jordan didn't win it every year, was that because another player was more valuable to the league? Or was it because of politics?" IDK, you tell me. But does MVP go to the most valuable or the best player? That seems to be our argument.

Im just gonna say im sorry because i obviously dont understand the meaning of Most Valuable Player. I thought it actually meant most valuable player not best player in the league who is the most athletic and brought a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs in the past and im right, your wrong.

This is tiresome,

Rose MVP
LeBron runner-up
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//Face the facts because this seems to be the consensus of NBA experts opinions.

It is subject to interpretation, at the time if I had a vote, I would have voted for Lebron James...what is so got damn hard to understand about that?

Your second paragraph....is really, really irrelevant. And stupid. The league being softer has nothing to do with who wins MVP or even why they won. Absolutely nothing...

Face the facts because of what NBA experts say? No thank you. I have gone against the experts before, and I will make up my mind based on what I see...
 

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to edit my last post:

*you aren't disrespectful aside the occassional "dumb ass" accusations.

I said that if Varejao and Parker played instead of those horrrrrrrrrrible players, the Lakers still likely would have won, BUT it would not have been by 55.... SHEESH buddy

"Are you telling me that CLE would have lost to LAL if those 2 guys were playing big minutes in the place of those 4 or 5 terrible pro-level players? If so... HA!"

That was what I read and reacted to. Its good to know you really don't feel that way. The point is they still would have gotten their asses kicked and they wouldn't be a playoff team if you kept everyone and took Lebron off of that team. He was just that valuable...
 

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My bad I left out "by 55" in that last sentence- though my first sentence could have been used to infer that I omitted that...
 

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And yep. LeBron was incredibly valuable to the Cavs. There were multiple reasons why... but nobody can ever deny that.
 

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It is subject to interpretation, at the time if I had a vote, I would have voted for Lebron James...what is so got damn hard to understand about that?

Your second paragraph....is really, really irrelevant. And stupid. The league being softer has nothing to do with who wins MVP or even why they won. Absolutely nothing...

Face the facts because of what NBA experts say? No thank you. I have gone against the experts before, and I will make up my mind based on what I see...

And again, at the time you said face the FACTS! What is so hard to understand about that? For someone who claims to know it all, you sure dont understand what im trying to get at.

My second paragraph is as relevant as you bringing up players of that generation because they have absolutely nothing to do with todays NBA. Again, completely different league.

You watch the games, good for you. So do I and so do the experts and all of the guys who get paid to have an opinion whether it be ESPN, NBA, SI and various other media outlets think Rose has the MVP edge over LeBron. The consensus is Rose for MVP. If you went by what you see then you would see that Rose is the MVP but maybe youre too busy slobbing the Miami Heat and LeBron James. You should watch more Bulls games. Stop acting like youre the only one who watches games and the rest of us are Bulls homers. Get a clue. We're not the only ones who think Rose is MVP.
 

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It is subject to interpretation, at the time if I had a vote, I would have voted for Lebron James...what is so got damn hard to understand about that?

It's a two-way street bud. Instead of talking down to other individuals opinions, you could just present yours and not knock on someone else in a continuous pissing match over anything in disagreement with you.
 

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And again, at the time you said face the FACTS! What is so hard to understand about that? For someone who claims to know it all, you sure dont understand what im trying to get at.

My second paragraph is as relevant as you bringing up players of that generation because they have absolutely nothing to do with todays NBA. Again, completely different league.

You watch the games, good for you. So do I and so do the experts and all of the guys who get paid to have an opinion whether it be ESPN, NBA, SI and various other media outlets think Rose has the MVP edge over LeBron. The consensus is Rose for MVP. If you went by what you see then you would see that Rose is the MVP but maybe youre too busy slobbing the Miami Heat and LeBron James. You should watch more Bulls games. Stop acting like youre the only one who watches games and the rest of us are Bulls homers. Get a clue. We're not the only ones who think Rose is MVP.

I believe I posted a link to ESPN saying Lebron was MVP. And I think when it comes to the NBA...you need a clue bruh...
 

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It's a two-way street bud. Instead of talking down to other individuals opinions, you could just present yours and not knock on someone else in a continuous pissing match over anything in disagreement with you.

When have I talked down to you? What are u a bunch of bitches on here? When I came here people were slamming each other...I took no part in it because I didn't think it was respectful. I even asked one guy to calm it down....

When you say something I don't agree with , I question it, when you say something stupid, I tell you. Sue me. When you write something that I don't understand, I can't be phony...I just say "I don't understand, can you explain?" What is wrong with that? I just happened to think you saying a thread is blasphemous for superstitious reasons was laughable. And I compared that mode of thinking to Cubs fans thinking. And it is in my opinion.
 

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