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You don't make any sense. You want to trade one RF out, then put the best RF in the game in CF and then put someone who has never played RF in RF so you can pick up someone who may start one game playoff series.

Doesn't make more sense to either keep the OF as it looks right not or trade for a CF?

how do you figure? coghlan has played RF before, as has Zobrist. I mentioned Baez as another candidate due to his athletic ability and the fact that the cubs have been playing him in the OF now. so who isn't making any sense?
 

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Solid player that will never be great making the most out of your position players? Overpaid for him IMO, yes he is good defensively but from what i hear his great defensive war come from 1.7 plays a game... is that really worth over $20mil per year for 8 years?

Those 1.7 plays a game are almost always impact plays though and that's kind of the point. Most outfields are pretty routinely ok fielding in a particular range. That's why BABIP on fly balls is low and a place like PETCO helps pitchers. Infielders make more errors because they are difficult shots quickly at them. However, when they screw up it's usually just a single. On the other hand, outfielders are generally considered good because of great range or a cannon of an arm. Great range prevents doubles/triples. Same thing can be said for a great arm and often times a great arm can stop a run from scoring.

The defensive metrics say he saved between 20-22 runs last year over the course of a season. That doesn't sound like much but consider the cubs as a team gave up 608 runs and of those 546 were earned. And it's not just what Heyward gives you but it's also what you got out of Fowler/Soler. DRS didn't really like Fowler at -12 runs in CF. UZR liked him slightly better at -1.7. Either way, that's costing you runs so it's more for Heyward. DRS had soler at -8 and UZR had him at -7 last season though he only played 100 games. For the sake of argument, let's just say Heyward is +30 runs from last season. that's a 5% decrease in one player. Or put another way, the cubs gave up 3.75 runs per game. Take away 30 runs from that they are at 3.57. The top team in the majors in that regard was the cardinals last season at 3.24. The dodgers were #2 at 3.67. You're now taking away Heyward from the cardinals and increasing the cubs. It's not crazy to think the cubs may give up the fewest runs in the majors next season.

And that obviously says nothing of his offense. His defense isn't everything but it likely allows them to put a bat like Schwarber's into the line up long term and Schwarbers bat even vs a typical decent LF is a big deal.
 

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.311/.376/.522 with 4 HRs over 101 PAs. Prorate that to the typical 650 PAs for a full season and you're looking at 26ish HRs though that can be a bit inflated since he's hit so well. But if we go ball park 20 HRs he looks far more appealing.

But divide by two as they only play 81 games at WF
 

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how do you figure? coghlan has played RF before, as has Zobrist. I mentioned Baez as another candidate due to his athletic ability and the fact that the cubs have been playing him in the OF now. so who isn't making any sense?

So you want Coglan out there everyday and that makes you better. Zobrist said he wants to play the IF not the OF everyday. Heyward prefers RF. let's shuffle the team so that we can get a pitcher who is marginally better than Hendricks and probably equal to Leake who is still a FA. FFS just move Hammel and than sign Leake. It will cost ~6 million more but is a hell of a lot smarter.

Think whatever you want. I don't care anymore. If you think trading SolEr so that Coglen or Zobrist can play RF and then getting 3/4 started makes the Cubs better go right ahead.
 

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**** @JasonHeyward, you piece of shit. You and @JohnLackey can go suck the goat's dick like the rest of Chicago for another century.

These Cards fans LOLLOLOLO
 

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They can't trade Soler, he's the only OF who can hit left handed pitching. Coghlan should be moved for a platoon CF who hits lefties.

This is kind of an interesting point because both Russell and Schwarber also struggled big time against lefties. Heyward isn't anywhere close to how bad those two were but he did hit .230/.309/.351 vs lefties. Zobrist isn't dramatically different between the two(.290/.368/.455 for lefties vs .254/.349/.420). Rizzo used to struggle with lefties but he crushed them last season and I'm hoping Schwarber follows a similar path(Rizzo was .294/.409/.472 vs lefties and .272/.378/.527 vs righties). Bryant was a bit worse vs lefties but not terrible(.246/.345/.452 vs .284/.376/.499). Soler has been pretty good vs lefties(.250/.351/.375 vs .273/.318/.448).

Think they might need to look to get a utility guy who hits lefties some. Haven't dug too deep into their bench as it's still greatly in flux. But presumably you'd bat something like Zobrist(2B) Soler(RF) Rizzo(1B) Bryant(3B) Heyward(CF), bench LF who crushed lefties, Montero(C), Pitcher, Russell(SS) vs lefties. You could also potentially swap Soler and Bryant.
 

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 20s21 seconds ago
Sources: #Nationals bid $200M for Heyward. Another team, believed to be #STLCards, also was at $200M. Heyward took less to play for #Cubs.
 

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This is kind of an interesting point because both Russell and Schwarber also struggled big time against lefties. Heyward isn't anywhere close to how bad those two were but he did hit .230/.309/.351 vs lefties. Zobrist isn't dramatically different between the two(.290/.368/.455 for lefties vs .254/.349/.420). Rizzo used to struggle with lefties but he crushed them last season and I'm hoping Schwarber follows a similar path(Rizzo was .294/.409/.472 vs lefties and .272/.378/.527 vs righties). Bryant was a bit worse vs lefties but not terrible(.246/.345/.452 vs .284/.376/.499). Soler has been pretty good vs lefties(.250/.351/.375 vs .273/.318/.448).

Think they might need to look to get a utility guy who hits lefties some. Haven't dug too deep into their bench as it's still greatly in flux. But presumably you'd bat something like Zobrist(2B) Soler(RF) Rizzo(1B) Bryant(3B) Heyward(CF), bench LF who crushed lefties, Montero(C), Pitcher, Russell(SS) vs lefties. You could also potentially swap Soler and Bryant.

To follow this up, Austin Jackson hit .261/.336/.393 on his career vs Lefties. Seems like he would make a bunch of sense and the team obviously liked him enough to trade for him though given the lack of CF options he may get more money else where.
 

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i don't care about how many HR he will hit, i want him to get on base. We have Kris, Kyle and Riz for homers
 

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 20s21 seconds ago
Sources: #Nationals bid $200M for Heyward. Another team, believed to be #STLCards, also was at $200M. Heyward took less to play for #Cubs.
Send this to Cardinal fans.
 

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Some are still not happy what they've done



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So you want Coglan out there everyday and that makes you better. Zobrist said he wants to play the IF not the OF everyday. Heyward prefers RF. let's shuffle the team so that we can get a pitcher who is marginally better than Hendricks and probably equal to Leake who is still a FA. FFS just move Hammel and than sign Leake. It will cost ~6 million more but is a hell of a lot smarter.

Think whatever you want. I don't care anymore. If you think trading SolEr so that Coglen or Zobrist can play RF and then getting 3/4 started makes the Cubs better go right ahead.

first off the point is IF they WERE to trade soler then they would play a combo of guys like coghlan, zobrist, and baez in RF. no one singular guy would play there everyday like you seem to think.

secondly, I never said I was for or against trading soler. I simply said IF they trade him it will be for a young, controllable starting pitcher. you act as though soler is untradeable somehow and that is definitely not the case
 

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Damn it I think I deleted my post.

Anyway, I like the signing a lot and the opt out doesn't bother me a bit
 

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 20s21 seconds ago

Sources: #Nationals bid $200M for Heyward. Another team, believed to be #STLCards, also was at $200M. Heyward took less to play for #Cubs.

But, but.....all players will take less for the honor and privilege to wear the Birds on the Bat and play in front of the BFIB. ��
 

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Zobrist and Heyward both turned down more money to play for the Cubs. That's pretty cool

Sorry if I'm double posting. I hate using my phone on here
 

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