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[TheStig]

JimmyBulls wrote:

If the Bulls sign David Lee, he would be the best pick and roll option with Derrick Rose, and he'll be the team's second best rebounder. I don't think his work load would drop off a bit on this Bulls team. It's not like this team have a wealth of frontcourt options to put a all star like Lee on the backburner.

When I look at David Lee, I look at the skills he could bring to this team. He would be the best in almost every category and he won't kill the team in the pocketbook like Amare.

Thats just absurd, he isn't a better pick and roll option than Amare. He isn't nearly the finisher either. Nor can he take over the game offensively like Amare.

 

[JimmyBulls]

No. I was comparing Lee to the frontcourt players on the Bulls. The idea that he won't be able to get a similiar amount of touches on this Bulls team struck me as odd.

 

[TheStig]

JimmyBulls wrote:

No. I was comparing Lee to the frontcourt players on the Bulls. The idea that he won't be able to get a similiar amount of touches on this Bulls team struck me as odd.

I don't think he will get the most shots on our team like he does in NY. So I don't think its too unrealistic to expect a decrease in touchs with Rose here as numero uno.

 

[JimmyBulls]

Rose is going to get his shots regardless, but they're more than enough touches available for Lee as the second option. Noah, Gibson, and Miller are taking just under 22 shots per game. Gibson will be Lee's backup and Miller will probably be on another team. So I think it's highly unlikely to think Lee would come here and average let's say 10 shots per game. I think Noah could take a hit not being the dominant pick and roll guy. There is also a chance Deng's 15 shots could turn to 13 or so. But David Lee will get pretty close to the same amount of touches with the Bulls as he did with the Knicks.

 

[Dpauley23]

TheStig wrote:

JimmyBulls wrote:

No. I was comparing Lee to the frontcourt players on the Bulls. The idea that he won't be able to get a similiar amount of touches on this Bulls team struck me as odd.

I don't think he will get the most shots on our team like he does in NY. So I don't think its too unrealistic to expect a decrease in touchs with Rose here as numero uno.

Lee will get about 15 to 16 shots a game

 

[Dpauley23]

JimmyBulls wrote:

If the Bulls sign David Lee, he would be the best pick and roll option with Derrick Rose, and he'll be the team's second best rebounder. I don't think his work load would drop off a bit on this Bulls team. It's not like this team have a wealth of frontcourt options to put a all star like Lee on the backburner.

When I look at David Lee, I look at the skills he could bring to this team. He would be the best in almost every category and he won't kill the team in the pocketbook like Amare.

You do realize that Lee is probably the worst defender in the league right? He has Drew Gooden's defensive awareness

 

[JimmyBulls]

I'll judge Lee's defense when I see him play on a team that actually have players that can defend. I don't expect Lee to ever develop into a stopper, but he should be coached up to servicable.

The thing is Amare and Boozer are pretty bad and indifferent defenders as well. NTM, Amare is a pretty indifferent rebounder at times, and Boozer only plays when he's 100%.

 

[Shakes]

Dpauley23 wrote:

You do realize that Lee is probably the worst defender in the league right? He has Drew Gooden's defensive awareness

Lee isn't the worst defender in the league. Nobody who is a top 5 rebounder can be the worst defender in the league, because not allowing second chances is part of good defense.

Besides as we saw with the 04-05 Bulls, you can have a useless defender who can't even rebound in Curry and be an elite defensive team if your other bigs can defend. You do need a defensive big, you don't need all your bigs to be defensive bigs.

 

[jsain360]

Nobody is denying Lee is a good player, but for what the Bulls need he should be the last guy we should think about. Lee doesn't even command a double team. The Bulls need a guy that can command a double team and take some pressure off Rose, Bosh, Amare, and Boozer give you that, these guys can pick'n'pop, post, face up, drive to the basket, and make plays for others.

David Lee is reinsdorf thinking, lets be cheap, and get a good player, but not as good as the other options. I like Lee, but let him get paid somewhere else.

 

[houheffna]

No one has said that Lee is a better player than Amare, someo of us don't want to pay Amare the max. In that case Lee is suitable as a replacement at 10mil a year. Others on here change the question to suit their arguments because they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about...

Sorry, on to JSain

Nobody is denying Lee is a good player, but for what the Bulls need he should be the last guy we should think about. Lee doesn't even command a double team. The Bulls need a guy that can command a double team and take some pressure off Rose, Bosh, Amare, and Boozer give you that, these guys can pick'n'pop, post, face up, drive to the basket, and make plays for others.

David Lee is reinsdorf thinking, lets be cheap, and get a good player, but not as good as the other options. I like Lee, but let him get paid somewhere else.

Reinsdorf thinking is Lebron....believe that...Lebron is big business, more than any athlete in the world right now...

Lee is not a bad idea at all at a decent price, especially if you have enough money afterwards to try and get another decent player that can fill a hole in your lineup. I would put Bosh in a class by himself. Best offensive big man in the league when it comes to post scoring, shooting, etc. None of them make plays for others. Actually the closest to a playmaker in the group is Lee if you look at assists...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

No one has said that Lee is a better player than Amare, someo of us don't want to pay Amare the max. In that case Lee is suitable as a replacement at 10mil a year.

Others on here change the question to suit their arguments because they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about...

Sorry, on to JSain

Nobody is denying Lee is a good player, but for what the Bulls need he should be the last guy we should think about. Lee doesn't even command a double team. The Bulls need a guy that can command a double team and take some pressure off Rose, Bosh, Amare, and Boozer give you that, these guys can pick'n'pop, post, face up, drive to the basket, and make plays for others.

David Lee is reinsdorf thinking, lets be cheap, and get a good player, but not as good as the other options. I like Lee, but let him get paid somewhere else.

Reinsdorf thinking is Lebron....believe that...Lebron is big business, more than any athlete in the world right now...

Lee is not a bad idea at all at a decent price, especially if you have enough money afterwards to try and get another decent player that can fill a hole in your lineup. I would put Bosh in a class by himself. Best offensive big man in the league when it comes to post scoring, shooting, etc. None of them make plays for others. Actually the closest to a playmaker in the group is Lee if you look at assists...

Again, the fantasy numbers. You widen the gap, why not have Lee at the MLE to make your point even more fantasized.

 

[houheffna]

Again, the fantasy numbers. You widen the gap, why not have Lee at the MLE to make your point even more fantasized

What fantasy numbers are you talking about, my only point was to answer the question...

Of course you know about fantasy, tell everybody about your fantastic spot on analysis concerning Kobe Bryant's status as a top 5 player in the league...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Again, the fantasy numbers. You widen the gap, why not have Lee at the MLE to make your point even more fantasized

What fantasy numbers are you talking about, my only point was to answer the question...

Of course you know about fantasy, tell everybody about your fantastic spot on analysis concerning Kobe Bryant's status as a top 5 player in the league...

JJ for 15, Lee for 10, Amare for the max. All the players you like magically take a paycut and all the players you don't like make the max. Must be nice to live in a lovely fantasy land where you can make a point by exagerating numbers.

I still think he's overhyped. Never been a fan, bad teammate, selfish and a rapist. I still don't think he's better than Wade. Take away his amazing supporting cast and he can't get out of the first round and misses the playoffs.

 

[houheffna]

JJ for 15, Lee for 10, Amare for the max. All the players you like magically take a paycut and all the players you don't like make the max. Must be nice to live in a lovely fantasy land where you can make a point by exagerating numbers.

I still think he's overhyped. Never been a fan, bad teammate, selfish and a rapist. I still don't think he's better than Wade. Take away his amazing supporting cast and he can't get out of the first round and misses the playoffs.

Yeah in my fantasy land, I answer the damn questions, in yours, you make stuff up and call great players rapists with no evidence to support your point, which is an idiotic statement to make. I am not going any farther into that because its pure ignorance.

Kobe is worthy of the hype, because he is one of the greatest players to ever play. Wade is not as good a player, and where has he gone without his "supporting cast"? Point blank, saying that Pau and Odom are the reasons Kobe is a top 5 player shows that you don't watch basketball.

You should be banished to being a figure skating fan.

 

[Shakes]

In no particular order LeBron, Howard, Wade, Durant, Duncan. Don't see how Kobe is better than any of those guys. Sorry Hou, saying Kobe isn't a top 5 player doesn't seem crazy to me at this point.

 

[houheffna]

Duncan? Are you friggin serious man? Duncan over Kobe? Kobe is the second best player in the league, many would argue that he is the best because he is the best player in the clutch...and saying he is not top 5 is very absurd...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

JJ for 15, Lee for 10, Amare for the max. All the players you like magically take a paycut and all the players you don't like make the max. Must be nice to live in a lovely fantasy land where you can make a point by exagerating numbers.

I still think he's overhyped. Never been a fan, bad teammate, selfish and a rapist. I still don't think he's better than Wade. Take away his amazing supporting cast and he can't get out of the first round and misses the playoffs.

Yeah in my fantasy land, I answer the damn questions, in yours, you make stuff up and call great players rapists with no evidence to support your point, which is an idiotic statement to make. I am not going any farther into that because its pure ignorance.

Kobe is worthy of the hype, because he is one of the greatest players to ever play. Wade is not as good a player, and where has he gone without his "supporting cast"? Point blank, saying that Pau and Odom are the reasons Kobe is a top 5 player shows that you don't watch basketball.

You should be banished to being a figure skating fan.

The state of CO had some evidence if you don't remember you can see them. I certainly wasn't in charge of the prosecution. Funny how you just answer things and don't make up stuff, where did you get the numbers if you didn't make them up.

Kobe wasn't nearly as well regarded till he got two quality big men. Are you telling me that Gasol, Bynum and Odom are not the best front court in the league?

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Duncan? Are you friggin serious man? Duncan over Kobe? Kobe is the second best player in the league, many would argue that he is the best because

he is the best player in the clutch

...and saying he is not top 5 is very absurd...

You should add by volume.

 

[houheffna]

The state of CO had some evidence if you don't remember you can see them. I certainly wasn't in charge of the prosecution. Funny how you just answer things and don't make up stuff, where did you get the numbers if you didn't make them up.

Kobe wasn't nearly as well regarded till he got two quality big men. Are you telling me that Gasol, Bynum and Odom are not the best front court in the league?

The evidence was not strong enough. The case was thrown out. "Some" evidence? Give me a break, that is not the way the justice system works...if you don't like Kobe, that is your problem, but to resort to that stuff is over the top, stick to the basketball court....

Are you telling me that Kobe was not top 5 in the league before those guys came along? How old are you? 6? You must have been watching another sport, you like stats so much, go pull out a stat book and do some research, what you are saying is just stupid...you denigrate the second greatest shooting guard in NBA history because YOU think he is a rapist. You gotta be kiddin' me....

 

[Shakes]

houheffna wrote:

Duncan? Are you friggin serious man? Duncan over Kobe? Kobe is the second best player in the league, many would argue that he is the best because he is the best player in the clutch...and saying he is not top 5 is very absurd...

Duncan is still a very good defender, and bigs that are good defenders are far more valuable than guards who are good defenders.

And you've got to be smoking something to say Kobe is possibly the best player in the league. He has a supporting cast of Gasol, Bynum, Odom and Artest and is 48-18. LeBron has a supporting cast of Shaq, Varejao, Z (now Jamison) and Williams and is 52-15. Kobe has way more talent on his team and a worse record.

I don't think there's any shame in Kobe not being top 5, he is a 31 year old guard who has been playing since high school, it's natural that he should have slowed down a bit.