I am glad we lost and here is why

[Neckbeard]

Found it Remy, it wasn't in the pace picked the wrong QB but there was a link in that thread to here

So yeah Mitch and Prescott was a great take by you

4 years ago, who cares? Also the opinion on Mitch in 2019 is far different than it is now. Same with Dak. At that time he was a supreme choker. He still has to prove it in the big playoff game but he's been playing a lot better vs strong opponents than in the past.

Edit: resurrecting opinions from 4 years ago is dumb.

 

[dbldrew]

4 years ago, who cares? Also the opinion on Mitch in 2019 is far different than it is now. Same with Dak. At that time he was a supreme choker. He still has to prove it in the big playoff game but he's been playing a lot better vs strong opponents than in the past.

Edit: resurrecting opinions from 4 years ago is dumb.

Remy did because he demanded I back up what I said to him and wanted me to quote him.

 

[remydat]

Found it Remy, it wasn't in the pace picked the wrong QB but there was a link in that thread to here

So yeah Mitch and Prescott was a great take by you

You really are stupid. The comment was saying he is more of a game manager than a gun slinger as it says we should rely on the D, run game and throwing 20-25 times a game rather than throwing 40 times a game. Dak didn't blow up until later that year.

Nothing in the above is saying he is as good as Prescott or Mahomes. It was a comment as to how they are managed by their teams.

Remy did because he demanded I back up what I said to him and wanted me to quote him.

No you were supposed to find where I said Fields was as good as Allen. Don't give a shit about Mitch and nothing I said above supports anything you claimed I said in 2021 in the Pace thread.

So your dumbass claimed I said something in 2021 and then you produced as supported something I said at the start of the 2019 season. You can't be this stupid.

 

[onebud34]

@remydat is living rent free in @dbldrew's head

 

[dbldrew]

You really are stupid. The comment was saying he is more of a game manager than a gun slinger as it says we should rely on the D, run game and throwing 20-25 times a game rather than throwing 40 times a game. Dak didn't blow up until later that year.

Nothing in the above is saying he is as good as Prescott or Mahomes. It was a comment as to how they are managed by their teams.



No you were supposed to find where I said Fields was as good as Allen. Don't give a shit about Mitch and nothing I said above supports anything you claimed I said in 2021 in the Pace thread.

So your dumbass claimed I said something in 2021 and then you produced as supported something I said at the start of the 2019 season. You can't be this stupid.

you dont have to lash out at me because your evaluation of Mitch didnt pan out, You asked for me to quote you so I did. The fact of the matter is you said Mitch would be fine and also Mitch is like Prescott.

There is no way to justify this even if you completely spin up your vortex.. you said something stupid and thats the end of it.

And maybe if I have time I will find your Fields/Allen comparison. I do have a zoom meeting today so I'm always looking to find things to do during them so lets see what I find.

 

[mecha]

Found it Remy, it wasn't in the pace picked the wrong QB but there was a link in that thread to here

So yeah Mitch and Prescott was a great take by you

I had to come here and see which dickhead bumped this thread

not surprised. have fun with your vortex.

 

[dbldrew]

I had to come here and see which dickhead bumped this thread

not surprised. have fun with your vortex.

You might not agree with me and you might think I'm an asshole but one thing I always do is back up what I say. I threw a jab at Remy (retaliatory I might add) and he demanded I quote him so here we are

 

[onebud34]

I had to come here and see which dickhead bumped this thread

not surprised. have fun with your vortex.

Shit's almost 5 years old...all that effort to defend Mac Jones.

It's worth nothing...in 2019 dblpoo believed that YPG and Avg YPG were different

 

[mecha]

You might not agree with me and you might think I'm an asshole but one thing I always do is back up what I say. I threw a jab at Remy (retaliatory I might add) and he demanded I quote him so here we are

I believe you, Ripley

you're still resoundingly getting your ass kicked in this war however. have a great day

 

[dbldrew]

I believe you, Ripley

you're still resoundingly getting your ass kicked in this war however. have a great day

nah the fact that Fields was given Moore, Kmet improved, OL improved and basically he played about the same kind of makes my point about him for the last 3 years.

I mean I'm looking back for Remys other post and went way to far back and all the Mitch excuses are the exact same as the field excuses.. Too bad the CBMB is no longer there because we could probably find the same excuses for Rex and Orton as well, Its always the OC, the OL the weapons.. its never the shitty QB

 

[onebud34]

nah the fact that Fields was given Moore, Kmet improved, OL improved and basically he played about the same kind of makes my point about him for the last 3 years.

I mean I'm looking back for Remys other post and went way to far back and all the Mitch excuses are the exact same as the field excuses.. Too bad the CBMB is no longer there because we could probably find the same excuses for Rex and Orton as well, Its always the OC, the OL the weapons.. its never the shitty QB

Take it easy SPartan

 

[remydat]

you dont have to lash out at me because your evaluation of Mitch didnt pan out, You asked for me to quote you so I did. The fact of the matter is you said Mitch would be fine and also Mitch is like Prescott.

There is no way to justify this even if you completely spin up your vortex.. you said something stupid and thats the end of it.

And maybe if I have time I will find your Fields/Allen comparison. I do have a zoom meeting today so I'm always looking to find things to do during them so lets see what I find.

No you said I said something about Allen and Mitch in a 2021 thread. You lied. You are going back to the start of 2019. At the start of 2019, I expressed my hope that Trubisky could be a high end game manager like Dak was at that time because you had people acting like he was Mahomes.

I gave up on Mitch in game 3 of year 3 try again

What makes this so stupid is by your own admission you said you didnt give up on Mitch until the third game. So your dumbass is crying about something I said during a time you were still sucking off Mitch.

 

[Bust]

I had to come here and see which dickhead bumped this thread

not surprised. have fun with your vortex.

what's wrong with bumping old call out threads tho boi?

Guarantee you this. By the end of next season everyone will see who came out on top Fields vs Drake vs Caleb and moi alongside many others be bumping old call out threads like a mofo! Can't WAIT!!!!

woot!

 

[dbldrew]

No you said I said something about Allen and Mitch in a 2021 thread. You lied. You are going back to the start of 2019. At the start of 2019, I expressed my hope that Trubisky could be a high end game manager like Dak was at that time because you had people acting like he was Mahomes.



What makes this so stupid is by your own admission you said you didnt give up on Mitch until the third game. So your dumbass is crying about something I said during a time you were still sucking off Mitch.

I said you made comparisons with Fields to Allen, and also said some stupid comparisons with Mitch, this is the stupid Mitch one

Also seem to remember some other idiot comparisons with fields and manning as well. Give me some time and will post them up because you know you said it. I just havent had the time to look yet

 

[dbldrew]

No you said I said something about Allen and Mitch in a 2021 thread. You lied. You are going back to the start of 2019. At the start of 2019, I expressed my hope that Trubisky could be a high end game manager like Dak was at that time because you had people acting like he was Mahomes.



What makes this so stupid is by your own admission you said you didnt give up on Mitch until the third game. So your dumbass is crying about something I said during a time you were still sucking off Mitch.

found some

Manning threw 28 Ints. Alllen was not that great as a rookie. Brees was so bad the Chargers drafted Rivers. Plenty of QBs have uneven rookie years.

I wasnt comparing to Trubs rookie year. I was comparing to last year. Last year Trubs had 3.9% BTTs and 5.9% Turnover Worthy Plays. So a net negative of 2%

Fields has 6.9% BTT and 3.9% TWPs for a next positive of 3%. So relative to Trubisky he throws 77% more BTTs while committing 66% less TWPs.

Fields is 4th in the NFL in BTT% 7th in TWP and 1st in air yards per pass. So the point is it is a mixed bag but the BTT% and air yards are indicative of special traits. The issue is whether he can harness them. Trubisky never showed those traits as a passer. Definitions from PFF below.

BTT: Big Time Throws - a pass with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window

TWP: Turnover Worthy Plays - a pass that has a high percentage chance to be intercepted or a poor job of taking care of the ball and fumbling

here is your reply to me laughing in your face to the manning Fields comparison..

26 to 28 is still less than a 1 to 1 TD to Int ratio which is terrible. The claim wasnt that it wad identical to Fields. You claim was that good QBs still put up good stats. 28 ints is not good. His first 2 years starting Brees had more Ints than TDs and a passer rating lower than Fields in one of those years. So as a matter of objective fact, you assertion is wrong.

I am sure you are aware that Ints are not always on the QB. Your opinion here is no less hypothetical. The only difference is PFF gets paid for their hypotheticals while you do not.

For years you were ignoring stats to defend Trubisky so it is amusing that all of a sudden you only want to rely on stats.

more with the comparisons to Allen and now Brees

Lol you claimed something objectively false. Manning did not have good stats. I also mentioned Brees and Allen.

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Also threw more Ints than TDs and his passer rating is the same as Fields. This is literally just a few years ago and now he is one of the best QBs in the NFL. So again your premise is false.

As for your other claims. Again Fields leads the NFL in air yards per attempt. That is not hypothetical. That is real as it can in fact be measured objectively. He also is top 5 in BTT. Whether you accept it is irrelevant. The topic isnt what stats you accept but what stats counter his Int rate. So I told you the stats that I and the NFL teams that buy PFF data would look at as part of the evaluation. No one is going to just limit their analysis to the stats you like especially when your ability to judge QBs is suspect.

You hung onto the belief Trubiksy was good long after I told you he sucked based in part on these same stats you whining about. When Fields improves you will pretend it came out of nowhere and I will remind you that no it did not as I told you the stats that were indicative of his potential. You just refused to listen just like you refused to listen on Trubisky. You suck judging QBs. Sorry.

wow yeah so ready to admit the Fields Allen, manning, Brees comparisons was pretty silly?
Or are you still holding out hope that Fields will magically turn it around if we just give him 3 or 4 more DJ Moore style players?

 

[remydat]

I said you made comparisons with Fields to Allen, and also said some stupid comparisons with Mitch, this is the stupid Mitch one

Also seem to remember some other idiot comparisons with fields and manning as well. Give me some time and will post them up because you know you said it. I just havent had the time to look yet

You said I made those comparisons in a 2021 thread. That is incorrect.

Further, the only thing you have shown is that I suggested Mitch could be a game manager like Prescott as at the time Prescott was a game manager. I have no idea what is stupid about that particularly when I said it at a time that you were also a believer in Mitch.

So this is a really stupid argument. Since you remember this argument show me where you disputed it back in 2019? If not then it is obvious that since you were a Mitch fan back then you had no problem with the statement and are unhinged enough to be crying about it 4 years later.

 

[remydat]

found some


here is your reply to me laughing in your face to the manning Fields comparison..



more with the comparisons to Allen and now Brees




wow yeah so ready to admit the Fields Allen, manning, Brees comparisons was pretty silly?
Or are you still holding out hope that Fields will magically turn it around if we just give him 3 or 4 more DJ Moore style players?

None of these are comparing anything other than the years in question. Everything said is factual and nowhere do I say Fields will be great like Manning, Brees or Allen.

You were lying and claiming no great QB ever had terrible stats their first few years in the league and I responded by factually pointing out that those 3 QBs did in fact have shaky stats. Nowhere do I then claim Fields will be a star.

Again where exactly do I say Fields is as good as Manning or Allen or Brees? Highlight it for me please.

 

[dbldrew]

You said I made those comparisons in a 2021 thread. That is incorrect.

Further, the only thing you have shown is that I suggested Mitch could be a game manager like Prescott as at the time Prescott was a game manager. I have no idea what is stupid about that particularly when I said it at a time that you were also a believer in Mitch.

So this is a really stupid argument. Since you remember this argument show me where you disputed it back in 2019? If not then it is obvious that since you were a Mitch fan back then you had no problem with the statement and are unhinged enough to be crying about it 4 years later.

I never said you made that comparison in 2021, just that you made it.. and also..

 

[remydat]

I never said you made that comparison in 2021, just that you made it.. and also..

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This is irrelevant. You suggested I made the Mitch claim in the Pace thread which was from 2021. I did not.

Found it Remy, it wasn't in the pace picked the wrong QB but there was a link in that thread to here

So yeah Mitch and Prescott was a great take by you

You already admitted you were mistaken and it was from 2019 not the 2021 Pace thread so again you were wrong.

 

[dbldrew]

This is irrelevant. You suggested I made the Mitch claim in the Pace thread which was from 2021. I did not.




You already admitted you were mistaken and it was from 2019 not the 2021 Pace thread so again you were wrong.

stop your lies, I said you made the Allen fields comparison and also think you said something stupid with a Mitch comparison as well

You doubled down in your typical vortex over and over again trying to justify your Stupid comparison so you STILL made the comparison in 2021, even though I never specified 2021 but this is how you deal with being wrong so here is one example of MANY attempts to justify your comparison in 2021



The funny thing is you did it again in 2023 a few posts up

The problem with this line of attempting to save face, is this whole interaction started when you did this..

Yes and as Fields is a rookie I noted that great QBs dont necessarily have great stats as a rookie. You tried to pretend they still do and now when proven false you now want to pretend you werent trying to argue guys like Manning or Allen had good stats as a rookie.

Josh Allen's traditional stats were not good as a rookie. It is ok to admit you oversold things.

As an aside, what would you say makes you a good judge of QBs? Can you produce any previous evaluations of QBs that turned out accurate?

I linked to your stupid Mitch/Prescott post because of this challenge you posted above, calling you out for your horrible evaluation of not only Mitch but also your horrible evaluation of Prescott. So there is no way out of this to save face. You pretending that "he wasn't a franchise QB" when you said it is laughable in itself but trying to say he didnt blow up until the next year doesnt work either because that goes directly to the debate we where having about QB evaluations and your complete lack of evaluating a franchise QB who turned out ridiculously good.

And for more examples of your stupidity back then to now..

Prescott in 2018 (they year you said his performance wasnt "franchise QB" worthy
he was 67% 3800 yards 97 rated 22TD (6 rushing TD) and also got sacked 56 times.. funny that you give all the excuses for sacks for fields but didnt seem to stop that "non franchise QB" with prescott

You want to compare that to fields year 3? lol your evaluation of QBs is beyond terrible