IST: Cubs vs. Brewers

[Diehardfan]

deGrom out for the season. The prospect of facing the Mets is not so scary at this point. I was shocked when it looked like they were going to let him pitch in the first place. If they were smart they'd shut down Matz as well.

In this day and age pumping the draft for a bunch of big arms can be a dicey proposition. It seems like these injuries keep popping up more and more to these guys. That's three of their top guys going down. I'm awfully glad Theo and Co. went with more position players...medically at least, it is usually safer.

 

[Omeletpants]

Zobie wife

 

[chibears55]

Actually between 1908 they made 7 World Series 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, 1945 and were considered among the elite in the NL even though they didn't win the big one. In those days the league Pennant was a bigger deal than it is now so it was less of a stigma to not win the World Series. The leagues still had very separate identities. As far as attracting talent it was more about development than getting talent at least until FA started.

Lol..
My mind was focused on when they last won over when they were last in one..

My point still remains the same though..
Youd think Chicago would be like New York in ways of being able to get good talent over those years to play for them..





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[CSF77]

In this day and age pumping the draft for a bunch of big arms can be a dicey proposition. It seems like these injuries keep popping up more and more to these guys. That's three of their top guys going down. I'm awfully glad Theo and Co. went with more position players...medically at least, it is usually safer.

Theo and Jed went bulk arms lower in the draft. They get it and what ever comes out of it does.

Their top picks except Almora was fast to majors talent. Doubt any one is compilatning about that stuff anymore.

Only reason why I said don't take the foot off the petal. Look behind and see Wash at 88 wins. They should get close to 100 wins also. It is better to keep them and the Dodgers lined up so 1 takes out the other problem vs having to go through both now isn't it?

 

[CSF77]

Baez is falling back into his old trap. He is trying to yank everything and not using his two strike approach that was really working middle of the year.

His natural tendencies are swing big. This year has been a regression for him. His walk ratio is plain bad and his off season work to cut down his swing on strike 2 has gone to the wayside. It gets glossed over by his stellar D.

He seem like the type that has to constantly work on it to make it his vs trying to do something that doesn't feel natural yet.

It may take a few years for him to become a finished product in this role. Too many gloves going on that doesn't let him to focus more on his hitting.

 

[chibears55]

Or the fact that they couldn't, as free agency didn't exist.

No shit...

The draft didn't start til 1965

So until then they had to go out and find / discover talent and make them offers to play..
Basically it was like recruiting if multiple teams were in on such talent..

I'm just surprise that Chicago during the 40s 50s and into the 60s before the draft couldn't attract more talented players ..
Considering the only other cities in Midwest was Milwaukee Cincinnati and St Louis in NL


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[chibears55]

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thinking he meant signing young talent before the advent of the draft.

Exactly what I meant...

There was no draft til 65 So you had to go out and find your own talent

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[DanTown]

crap team again. Taking the foot off the accelerator is not a wise idea.

Rest them now for the next 9-12 games with some guys getting in the game in new places (i.e Bryant @ 1st) and then with six games left, use your hitters in a natural way with some guys (i.e Heyward) maybe getting more time to try and find a good swing.

You don't want to rest them the final games of the season because then they go a week without playing baseball and that's really hard to get back in to the swing after sitting a week. Not a momentum issue but more just a human nature issue.

 

[chibears55]

deGrom out for the season. The prospect of facing the Mets is not so scary at this point. I was shocked when it looked like they were going to let him pitch in the first place. If they were smart they'd shut down Matz as well.

I'm already thinking its going to be the Giants the Cubs will face..

Wheather its Mets or Cardinals facing SF and Bum in WC game, I'd be very surprise if either team can pull off the upset there.
Of course anything can happen

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[chibears55]

Theo and Jed went bulk arms lower in the draft. They get it and what ever comes out of it does.

Their top picks except Almora was fast to majors talent. Doubt any one is compilatning about that stuff anymore.

Only reason why I said don't take the foot off the petal. Look behind and see Wash at 88 wins. They should get close to 100 wins also. It is better to keep them and the Dodgers lined up so 1 takes out the other problem vs having to go through both now isn't it?

If cubs just win 4 games of final 15 to reach 100
Nats would have to go 12 n 3 rest of way to tie


But

I get what you're saying and I to hope that the last week Maddon starts getting his regulars ABs to get ready for playoff so they don't go into playoff cold




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[CSF77]

I'm already thinking its going to be the Giants the Cubs will face..

Wheather its Mets or Cardinals facing SF and Bum in WC game, I'd be very surprise if either team can pull off the upset there.
Of course anything can happen

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At this point you want NYM to beat SFG in a 1 game. They would have nothing in a series.

SFG I just fear Bum. That is it. Rest are beatable. That is why I would blow my shakiest starter (Jake) on that game 3 match up. You go in expecting a loss but Jake may pull it off again. Vs wasting a more reliable starter vs a guy who has shut down the line up more that a handful of times.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm already thinking its going to be the Giants the Cubs will face..

Wheather its Mets or Cardinals facing SF and Bum in WC game, I'd be very surprise if either team can pull off the upset there.
Of course anything can happen

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Bumgarner has not been good since early August with an ERA of almost 5 in that span. If it's the Giants and Mets I take Syndergaard to win that matchup but like you say a 1 game WC Is basically a coin flip.

 

[chibears55]

At this point you want NYM to beat SFG in a 1 game. They would have nothing in a series.

SFG I just fear Bum. That is it. Rest are beatable. That is why I would blow my shakiest starter (Jake) on that game 3 match up. You go in expecting a loss but Jake may pull it off again. Vs wasting a more reliable starter vs a guy who has shut down the line up more that a handful of times.

Mets would be ideal..

Wouldn't matter to me if Lester or Arrieta starts game 1
I just hope Hendricks starts game 2.. Take advantage of him pitching much better at home, rather have him pitching at home then first game on road ( rather have Arrieta Lester Lackey pitch away), plus he would match up against opponent 3

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[TC in Mississippi]

damn it.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

The team I really don't want to face in the NLDS is LA and it's not far fetched at all. If SF sweeps the Cards this weekend and the Dodgers lose 1 they'll only be 3 back with 6 to play against LA. I'll be rooting for LA from here on out. I'm not worried in a 7 game especially but in a 5 game against (presumably) Hill, Maeda and Kershaw? I'd prefer not to see that series.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Baez is not a great player quite yet but damn is he ever fun to watch play this game.

 

[chibears55]

I was against extending Arrieta when talked about last season and im even more so after watching him pitch the 2nd half..

Not saying he hasnt been good but he just hasnt been that guy for them and id hate to see the cubs give him all that money and years and watch him become less of being that guy.

Since July

13 starts
5 wins
7+ IP 4 times
3 Runs or less 7 times
7 Ks or more twice

Like I said he hasnt been terrible
Just hasn't been that guy you'd want to give 25+ per over 4 or 5 yrs to



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[TC in Mississippi]

I was against extending Arrieta when talked about last season and im even more so after watching him pitch the 2nd half..

Not saying he hasnt been good but he just hasnt been that guy for them and id hate to see the cubs give him all that money and years and watch him become less of being that guy.

Since July

13 starts
5 wins
7+ IP 4 times
3 Runs or less 7 times
7 Ks or more twice

Like I said he hasnt been terrible
Just hasn't been that guy you'd want to give 25+ per over 4 or 5 yrs to



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I've said for a long time I don't want him signed. Even if the fastball command and the inability to control that slider/cutter he used so much last year (28.9% in 2015, 17.9% in 2016) is fatigue from all the innings last year, this guy scares me when the stuff goes. Unlike a guy like Lackey who has adjusted quite well to losing his velocity I don't think Jake knows how to pitch that well. Someone will pay him, I just don't want it to be us.

 

[Diehardfan]

I was against extending Arrieta when talked about last season and im even more so after watching him pitch the 2nd half..

Not saying he hasnt been good but he just hasnt been that guy for them and id hate to see the cubs give him all that money and years and watch him become less of being that guy.

Since July

13 starts
5 wins
7+ IP 4 times
3 Runs or less 7 times
7 Ks or more twice

Like I said he hasnt been terrible
Just hasn't been that guy you'd want to give 25+ per over 4 or 5 yrs to



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You can attribute that to bases on balls....they are killers. Shortens how deep you get into a game and when you give up a long one, it's a two or three run homer and not a singleton. It's mostly Jake but he's also not getting the calls he got last year....when that happens k's turn into walks and walks turn into runs. This game is a perfect example...4 walks are roughly worth about 20 extra pitches. 6 innings and he's gone. He inadvertently is making a case for Hendricks as the #2 starter.

 

[CSF77]

Like I said you waste Jake vs their ace. His walks have been the real issue this year.

Again this is why they need to fight to the end. They played the sub game and got crushed by a crap team. As what you expect. Keep it up and Wash will catch up.