IST: Cubs vs. DBacks

[chibears55]

Did the Sox trade for pitching in 05? Don't think so. Cubs can keep in house at this point. That is the Benefit of a solid system.

Which in-house relievers are you counting on them having come August and into the playoffs that you're going to have confidence in, in a close game late, in the playoffs

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[beckdawg]

While I get the idea of adding a reliever, it's rarely as simple as buy reliever get better. History is filled with teams who like the cubs were in good position(ok maybe not as good as the cubs but humor me here) who went out and traded decent talent for "dominant relievers" only to find out said reliever wasn't as good as he seemed. With relatively few exceptions, guys who are relievers will vary wildly season to season and even month to month. Very few are Rivera out there.

Where this gets scary is when you start parting with good players to get a "solid guy." Often times you end up with very very bad trades because of it. The cubs should always be trying to improve but you have to be careful about how you do it because often trying to chase fractions of a win by getting a reliever can cost you multiple dozens of wins later if you deal the wrong players. It's why I'm honestly more inclined to believe they go after a typical LOOGY rather than just a flat out dominant pen arm.

 

[SilenceS]

Which in-house relievers are you counting on them having come August and into the playoffs that you're going to have confidence in, in a close game late, in the playoffs

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Im kind of shocked CJ Edwards isnt up considering they consider him a future closer now. 30 K's in 18.1 IP in AAA. I would guess they want him to walk on his walk rate. 12 in 18 innings, but he is coming sooner or later.

 

[Parade_Rain]

If you recall i was pretty much the only one defending Strop last year..so, i have no problem with Strop.

My point is, why not make a good bullpen better and keep them fresh with more bullets to turn to.

Dont need it to be perfect but be nice to be close to it

Yes things are going good now , but i hope management just dont get too comfortable and do nothing to pretty much solidify and make it a solid roster when their this close.
Remember there no guarantee they will be this good next year, etc etc , anything can happen..
So, why not with being this good this year hope management tries to solidify every part of the game by looking to add a player or two to upgrade.

Come dog days of Aug. and into the playoffs you don't want to be wishing they had made a move that could of been the difference in a championship or not.










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You want a lefty coming into the game when it calls for Strop? Also realize that the cupboard isn't bare at Iowa regarding pitching.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Im kind of shocked CJ Edwards isnt up considering they consider him a future closer now. 30 K's in 18.1 IP in AAA. I would guess they want him to walk on his walk rate. 12 in 18 innings, but he is coming sooner or later.

They also have e a LHP there, too. Just needs a few more innings.

 

[chibears55]

You want a lefty coming into the game when it calls for Strop? Also realize that the cupboard isn't bare at Iowa regarding pitching.

Huh???
Where did i say that?

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[Parade_Rain]

Huh???
Where did i say that?

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Well you said trade with the Yankees. Who do you think they are looking at who is a relief pitcher? Miller is LHP.

 

[chibears55]

If Edwards or Concepción get brought up and do the job that would be awesome

But

If they dont or falter late because of inexperience then what


I just find it funny that some of you would rather hold onto a few hopeful minor leaguers over trying to improve a part of the team..

If they dont make a move, better not read on here about bullpen struggling or them not pulling the trigger come later in year or in playoff... cause that what some of you want

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[chibears55]

Well you said trade with the Yankees. Who do you think they are looking at who is a relief pitcher? Miller is LHP.

you said I wanted a lefty to come onto the game, like you were referring to today game..

What wrong with having a solid lefty righty set up and also the option of having a lefty righty closer in 8th and 9th inning?

Look you guys can be against it all you want

Me, i would love to see that situation

If it did happen you guys would be all over it too
Just like you guys will probably end up cussing up a storm if they do nothing and it comes back to bite them in ass



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[Parade_Rain]

you said I wanted a lefty to come onto the game, like you were referring to today game..

What wrong with having a solid lefty righty set up and also the option of having a lefty righty closer in 8th and 9th inning?

Look you guys can be against it all you want

Me, i would love to see that situation

If it did happen you guys would be all over it too
Just like you guys will probably end up cussing up a storm if they do nothing and it comes back to bite them in ass



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Nothing is wrong with the relief pitching that isn't found in Iowa. Every reliever has a day like that once in a while. There isn't any reason to be wasting assets in a trade for a relief pitcher.

 

[chibears55]

Nothing is wrong with the relief pitching that isn't found in Iowa. Every reliever has a day like that once in a while. There isn't any reason to be wasting assets in a trade for a relief pitcher.

Like i said if Edwards and or Concepción come up and do the job during season that great, just hope they don't falter later in year or under playoff pressure because of being young, tired and inexperienced...

I haven't and im not complaining about the bullpen,except for Richard..

I just would like to see them add another guy to make them better..

Wasting assets ? That what the majority of these kids in minors are for.. to be used to trade for players to help improve your team now.. most these kids traded, dont even make it to majors or do for a cup of coffee..

Cubs are in great position to win it all this year.
So if they have a chance to upgrade any part of their roster that will give them an even better chance at winning come playoff time, i hope they do it.


Yea they can probably get away with Edwards or Concepción or whomever in their system to get them through rest of season but in the p!ayoffs you guys should know better that anything can happen and you should want them to be able to put the best guys they can out there whether its a back end reliever , bench guy, anything..

That the way i look at it...



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[TC in Mississippi]

I think you just have to be careful. Sure there could be a move out there that helps, then again there may not be. If the brass identifies a guy that they think won't hurt future plans and will help thus year and mesh with the team then they should get that guy. I absolutely believe that they will do that. That said sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make and barring injury I think this team will be far and away the best team going into the playoffs. Of course that means nothing and they could still lose. That's how baseball works. Sometimes it's timing, sometimes it's attrition through overwork, sometimes it's injury. The 2001 Mariners were pretty close to the best team I've ever witnessed and list in the playoffs. It wasn't because they didn't make a trade, it was because it was baseball. Of course there have been teams that went in with inadequate pitching and list because of it, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a team go into the playoffs with a worse rotation than the 2014 Giants and they won the World Series. This team is deep and has very few holes. If there's a deal that makes them better I hope they make it but other than upgrading from Richard and adding a pen pitcher instead of a 3rd catcher I'd be ok going into the playoffs tomorrow.

 

[Diehardfan]

Every trade...and I mean EVERY trade comes with a risk. There are no sure things. Why would a team trade away a sure thing anyway? Its just an opinion that this mystical Yankee trade makes the Cubs better and THAT certainly isn't a sure thing. The Cubs are 39-15....no one is even close to them. They DO NOT have to make a trade of any kind at this point.... and when they do, it will be dealing from a position of strength and not need.

Of course, that could change....but for the time being, they are fine.

 

[beckdawg]

I just find it funny that some of you would rather hold onto a few hopeful minor leaguers over trying to improve a part of the team.

Personally, I just don't like dealing for relievers. I think it's generally to risky. I mean to use a cub example here, take Wood for Marshall. Wood hasn't been amazing but Marshall was about as good as it got at the time for a lefty reliever(non-closer that is). Even if you talk about a Tommy Hunter like trade from last year who went for Lake, it's kind of a risk because while no longer in the cubs plans Lake did have tools to possible be a good player.

I honestly like the way the cubs front office has been taking MLB starters and making them relievers. I think that's a more sound strategy because there's often BOR starters who can't find jobs but put into a bullpen roll they can be quite good.

 

[beckdawg]

Also FWIW, given how deep the cubs starters have been going, that might not even be a big issue later on.

 

[chibears55]

Just to be clear..
When i mention trade, im not saying it should be done now
Im talking July

When i say they should look to improve the team roster, im talking more for postseason then for regular season.

So, if they can upgrade and add a player to the bench or bullpen before deadline that will help them during the playoffs.
I hope they make that deal

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[baselman1974]

Just to be clear..
When i mention trade, im not saying it should be done now
Im talking July

When i say they should look to improve the team roster, im talking more for postseason then for regular season.

So, if they can upgrade and add a player to the bench or bullpen before deadline that will help them during the playoffs.
I hope they make that deal

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In July is when the price is highest for trading players. Would rather trade now before teams think they gave a chance for the playoffs to bid up available players. The Cubs absolutely fleeced Oakland for Russell and McKinney in July of 2014.

 

[SilenceS]

Im a Edwards fan boy just to be clear. He has nasty stuff. I just hope he is not Juan Cruz who has had a fine career but not what people thought. But, I do see him up here for the stretch run. Edwards that is people.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

There is no need to make a trade for bullpen help. Joe Nathan will be called up in mid to late July after a couple weeks in triple A. #CALLEDIT
:cubstroll2:

 

[chibears55]

@TheCCO: #Cubs vs. #Diamondbacks, Corbin (6/5):
Fowler CF
Zobrist 2B
Bryant 1B
Soler LF
Baez 3B
Russell SS
Szczur RF
Montero C
Arrieta P

Rizzo and Heyward off together again against a lefty..

What you're able to do more frequent when you have a sizeable lead in division..
Give players rest


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